Best MSI 17" Gaming Notebook So Far !!!!!

Side Note: This is the best in Range 1000-1500 $ of all MSI's Gaming laptops


Ofcourse It's the almighty MSI GT725

17-inch LCD screen
2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 processor
320 GB hard drive (7200 RPM)
4 GB RAM (maximum)
Dual-layer DVD±R drive
Draft-N Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphics (512 MB dedicated)
Windows Vista Home Premium
Weighs 7.05 pounds

Price : 1400 $
So what do you think MSI's experts : )

 

Depending on how the 4850 performs, that looks to be a pretty good deal. I assume the screen is the standard 1440x900?

 

no it's 1680x1050

 

Mostly WSXGA+ – 1680x1050

 

Performance wise, it's the best single GPU equipped 17" notebook available.

 

i have to say right now yes. the 4850 looks great especially for a budget card

 

i think the MSI GT725-075 is better then the other one. it is has a 1200p screen. for some it isnt needed but you can change it back. and you have a p9500 which ati's card are more cpu denpendent then nvidia.

 

Huh, nice. Yeah that looks like a good deal. Actually if that 4850 performs similar to the 3870 it's a great deal.

 

I'm pretty sure that an NVidia graphics card that performs the same as an ATI graphics card will have the same CPU dependancy...

 

Do you have/can get the/a list of all the MSI GT725 Models please ?

 

i was strictly talking cost wise. but yes i agree if they are willing to spend a bit more i would go for the better screen and cpu myself

 

Yes, yes it is.

 

well yes if you are ona tight budget then yes

MSI GT725-074
p8600
1680*1080

MSI GT725-075
p9500
1920*1200
these are the major differences.

 

^^^ just fix the res its 1680 not 1860

 

So only imagies and resoultions ?

 

the more expensive model has a blu ray player. Also to correct, the resolution is 1680 not 1860

 

I'd personally take the MSI GT725-074, then replace the processor with a T9800. The mobile 4850 is nice, but 1200p is more territory for the 4870.

And the difference between the P8600 and P9500 won't make a bit of difference. Also, if you look at the benches, the 4850 with a P9500 is outperforming my 98GT + T9800, and on par with the 98GTX + Quad. It doesn't seem to constrained by the CPU to me, but we'll see.

 

what about the RAM type in 075US ??

Is it DDR2 or DDR3 ?

 

sorry i fixed the the res. but the ram is ddr2 to keep it cost effective. that is what msi is trying to aim for.

yes the 075 has a blueray read.
http://www.xoticpc.com/gt725-order-p-2554.html
074
http://www.xoticpc.com/gt725074-order-p-2551.html

 

You must have a real need for power if the 15%(?) OC doesn't do it for you.

 

Looks like this is going to take the gateway 7811fx's throne by far. it's like comparing a monkey to a gorilla.

i wonder how gateway will respond to this.

 

Well, the Gateway is still a strong performer with the 9800M GTS. It's not like a 60 or 70% performance advantage, but nonetheless it's still significant (about 15-25% over it).

 

Will from the benchmarks it appears that the Geforce 9800M GTS is still a tad more powerful than the HD 4850, so I don't think Gateway is sweating much. Though the HD 4850 supports Shader model 4.1 and DirectX10.1 not that it makes much difference since not many if any games at the moment make use of it.

 

I've looked at some of the benchmarks. but there wasnt enough infomation to jugde the card yet. the 3870 is about 10%(so i heard) from the 9800m gts so the 4850 should infact beat the 9800m gts by far. it's still to early to tell.


but looking at it from the notebook (excludeing the gpu). the cheaper msi 074 vs the 7811fx (not the 075 even the gateway at retail is more.)
gateway is 2.26ghz vs 2.4ghz(clock speed isnt really important in this department because it is so low. .1 something mhz.) but, the average customer wouldnt know this and think the they are getting something alot better the because of this.
0 points

msi has turbo which automaticly overclocks the cpu to even higher speeds. which then separates the it from the gateway becasue gateway does not have this feature.
msi 1

the gateway has a higher resolution then the 074 msi but the same when it is compared to the 075.
vs 074
gateway 1
vs 075
no points.

gateway has ddr3 where the msi is still using ddr2. ddr3 uses less power but isnt really a huge performance gain and cost more then ddr2.
gateway 1 (because it is newer generation)

the gateway has 2hdds where the msi has only one. which is a big turn off to many buyers.
gateway 1(should be 2 but trying to be fair.)

gateway has crappy speakers where the msi is using 4 speakers and one subwoofer.
msi 1 (should be 2 but still trying to be fair)

msi says they have a eco engine but how effective it is is a another question.
0 points

if i have to score this
gateway vs 074
gateway 3
msi 2
out of 5

gateway vs 075
gateway 2
msi 2
out of 4(moniter was not included in this)
i didnt include the cpu because of what is stated above. msi's eco engine is still up in the air beacuse no one in this forum that i have seen tested it.

havent type this much in a while sorry if i confused anyone.

 

What benchmarks are you looking at? The one's where his 4850 outperforms my 9800M GT by 37% in Crysis Warhead must not be what you're talking about. The GTS will get killed, plain and simple.

EDIT: that's at 1680x1050 with high settings, no AA

 

the 4850 will kill the gts hands down

 

Looking at the specifications it appears so. Good to see ATi finally ahead of the competition once again.

 

Link to that benchmark?

 

You need to keep up with the times buddy; we already ran a couple of tests/benchmarks with the GT725 (thanks to faisalhero), so we're not just basing this on specs.

 

Somewhere starting with this page

 

Kevin dont take that bmark too seriously i been doing them with a different tool and it was nt same i think there is something wrong with my first tool

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=349540&page=58

i did some more later if u caryy on a few pages u will see the new tool which is bout 19fps so that put 4850 in line with your 9800m gt

edit here is 2nd tool result

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=349540&page=61

 

Here's my thing:

We both ran the first tool, and you beat me 32 vs 19. Then we both ran the second tool and you beat me 19 vs 12.

So that's 41% and 37%. Test for test the results are too close to be a mistake or faulty.

 

ahh i missed that part i did nt know that u used the 2nd tool aswell i guess that is a good news for me lol thanks for clearing the things up

 

I wish I had waited , jokes lol then i would have wished I waited for the GTX260M/280M , and so on and so forth.

 

Ok, so i just got off the phone with frostycomputers and the guy said to me that they would be the first ones in the united states to carry the gt725 and that they are a direct distributer. Also he has spoken to the product manager at msi and it won't be released until the end of march due to some bugs with the ati 4850.

 

so thats mean in uk i got a bugy 4850

 

i doubt it. i just think its more of a cya (cover your) if you know what i mean. no way they would ship them with issues like that

 

ok zfactor i take ur words for it. if it turned out to be bugy later i know where to find u

 

why would they release them to only the uk with bugs, no way they would knowingly do that. and if anything later is found wrong you have a warranty remember

 

lol yes good point i would nt find u anymore i ll use warranty

 

my laptop gets 17.5 in that same Crysis benchmark faisal . the 4850 is truly a beast. Mind posting GPU-Z results?

edit: found your GPU-Z results in another thread. wow that card has a nice default memory clock.

edit#2: Did you overclock at all when you ran the Crysis benchmark?

 

I can tell you that we were running stock vs. stock on those tests.

 

Hi guys

Just to say I have 'pulled the trigger' and ordered one of these beasts from Micro Anvika - thanks partly to Faisal who had the nerve to be the guinea pig and get one first and do so many tests etc! So a big thank you to Faisal - loved the unboxing etc especially when you turned the box upsidedown!!

Can't say the guys in Sales at M A were too impressive though - "don't know when we're getting any more", "just order off the website" - you would think in these times they would be biting your arm off to get the sale but hey ho, just got to wait until it arrives.

For all those AW junkies I'm on Phase 17! (That's a joke btw -there is no phase 17)

HB

 

If the 4850 really does beat out the 9800m GT by a good percentage, that's an amazing card! I can't wait to see what the 4870 is like

 

I think whats going on, its just a hunch. Your having problems with temp monitors and another user smoked his graphic card fast. I have a feeling the sensor is not installed or misinstalled. that's probably why its being delayed. I would call MSI yourself and find out why. Also see if your effected and maybe get a free exchange to a 'Safer' model if that is what it is. Just my two pence.

 

These ARE US models ONLY!
[EDIT]
GT725-074US MSI US site link
GT725-075US MSI US site link
[/EDIT]

Other regions will have different product suffixes and features, e.g. both European models apparently only have the 1680x1050 LCD panels(o.w. same as US), and one guy in India(unknown region/model suffix) got one with a T7350 IIRC w/a 1680x1050 screen.

hdds also tend to differ in various regions as well, but so far other than India it seems that the CPU & DRAM & optical drive(for equivalent models) are all the same plus shipped OS 32b Vista Home Premium.

ATI drivers being more CPU dependent: It's possible. I was reading about their new R770(IIRC) GPU a few months back and I recall that it seemed like the CPU/driver side needed to do some additional processing and arrangement of output data to the GPU to attempt to maximize performance. It also sounded like to get truly top performance any games/apps would need to be optimized for ATI's new GPU part as it DOES function differently enough from nVidia parts now.

OTOH the article indicated that it seems that AMD is going with a single GPU part across the models now, only differentiating "levels" by adjusting various clock speeds & VRAM type (e.g. GDDR5/GDDR3/GDDR2 etc.) pairings, while nVidia produces separate chips with various CUDA processing components as well as varying clock speed & VRAM types. (Of course almost all nVidia vendors overclock the cards by default...)

 

link i will run some more gpuz and cpuz later. bz many people has said they are not true reflection i need to run them while playing they games not when i finish. so today i will play crysis warhead for few hours and run them to be sure.

by the way i love playing crysis untill i reach the freaking reckoning level. i cant belive how many bug this game got. it was crashing every 2 min i searched in google and every one got this pro. i have to save the game every 30 sec to finish it,

good point i will ring them tomorrow or next week as i m going away this sunday.

no pro hugy glad to help there is more to come i am waiting for a new driver for my card hopefully that will boost the perfomance

the microanvika dont have a any commision on sales so thats why they dont card that much. and i think u might have to wait a few weeks now

 

Good benchmarks, Faisal, but can you play Crysis Warhead all Gamer settings at 1680x1050?

If I remember correctly when I played it, I could play all Gamer settings @ 1440x900 with my 8800m GTS. Actually about halfway through the game I think I had to turn down shaders... can't remember exactly.

 

yup no pro what so ever so far i ll update if i run into trouble the bmark i run in my thread was on gammer 1680x1050 one tool avg 32fps the other 19fps beats kevin 9800m gt by 25 to 30%