Be A God of War - The new MSI GT80S 6QF Titan SLI!

GT80S 6QF Titan SLI 29th Anniversary Edition

 

20000 points gpu score in 3dmark 11?
something here is wrong....
I get 20000 with 970m sli

 

Yeah..... after reading the landing page more carefully, I am confused too.

 

There are plenty of good stuff by the end of the year, Asus is also releasing the Asus GX700 with a GTX 980 and a 6th Gen Processor with a water cooling radiator and it looks awesome. Not to contradict but I guess MSI isn't the only the God of War and yes I know I'm in an MSI section but what the hell. xDDD

If both can give a good reasonable price then It would be awesome!

 

Looks awesome! I'm guessing they were going conservative on the 3d mark score

 

Just waiting, waiting, waiting, the hardest part seriously.

 

They are showing P scores, 1280x720, total system scores with WINDOWS 10!! (about 300-500 lower total score than win 7)

20,000 is faster than 780Ti SLI in 3DM 2011 with a quad core i7.

They are confusing people by labeling it with "GPU Performance".

20,000 is incredible. Since 3DM11 is heavily CPU reliant, and memory timing/speed affected, 2013 would be MUCH better.

Oh, my, God.

If the 870DM gets these GPUs then it's over, but I don't believe that will ever happen.

We have a split victory on best notebook for 2015 :S.

 

I hope its more than 20000 3dmark 11 score because I have busted that with my current GT80-009, be nice to 22000+ out of it stock. Split victory could be very possible I agree.

 

That's definitely the total score, not GPU score. My single Titan X got 28699 (overclocked) but my overall score was P21523.

P20,XXX is pretty good, the GPU score is probably 27k or more. That quad-core is limiting the overall score. They should have used Firestrike.

Hopefully this is coming out soon.

 

Ya GPU score was over 30k for mine so its putting the hurt on the CPU for sure, hopefully the 6820hk with some love will remedy that. I agree I wished they would release some benchmarks on the Firestrike.

 

Was that with dual desktop 980s in your desktop?

 

No my GT80-009 (980m sli)

 

Oh! Okay lol, that's pretty good. What was your gpu score in 3dm firestrike?

This was mine http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/8902908

Highest stable clock on my Titan X was 1521Mhz Core and 8100Mhz memory, on air.

The 980m sli setup is really nice, I can't wait to see how a single 980 in a laptop does. Dual 980 will be what I will be going for if possible, but I'm going for the Clevo P870DM.

 

22K+ is impossible stock with 4 core BGA. That would mean performance beyond desktop 980 SLI.

The Clevo 870 wont even reach 20k stock.

 

Talk about beastly. What's the starting price on that - $3500?

 

So I am quoting exact numbers my Firestrike result was 16900 at 4.2ghz , Graphics score of 24132. Pulled up my 3dMark 11 and it was 20082 with stock CPU 3.8ghz 30352 graphics score.

dual 980s would be great, I have my eye on the GT80 with dual 980s Anniv edition and the P870DM 980m edition both. Just excited we have some great stuff to choose from.

 

I believe that 22k would be possible with dual 980s and probably get pretty close with the current GT80 4th or 5th Gen. The system is not power limited, the CPU is power limited but in terms of graphics they perform as intended. I mean nothing to really complain about, any laptop that can fetch over 16k firestrike or 20k 3d2011 deserves some respect in my book. I still don't understand why some use the term BGA as its a curse word almost, I understand the differences and who doesn't love a socket but I think implemented correctly being the key they can serve the purpose intended well.

 

Well this is not the first time we've seen errant, or overly conservative benchmarks. The real excitement will be in the next-gen GT80 w/ desktop GPU's...... now THAT's what I'm waiting on..... SOON! Those scores are sure to be stellar for notebook users, and for-real desktop performance levels.... Can't Wait! (bursting at the seams here.....)

 

I would be staying far far away from anything that is SLI from Nvidia at this point. I went 970 SLI for about 2 weeks, maybe less before I realized that Nvidia and developers are barely supporting SLI. Sold both cards and picked up my 980 Ti. Most games it was not properly utilized, or just didn't work at all. BF4 worked great and maybe a few others games, but most games did not work as I said.

SLI is great for one thing, benchmarking. It means nothing in terms of actual game play performance. IMO you are throwing your money out the door, at least on most titles available today.

 

Somewhat niche, SLI is not for everyone, and certainly bumps up the cost...... but more and more games are seeing SLI optimization these days. It's far better today, and this can be seen in logs of many NVidia driver updates. Yes, you are certainly entitled your opinion, and IMO, SLI is a worthwhile endeavor..... different strokes, for different folks.

 

I find this interesting, under the specification tab, it says:

AC Adapter 330W

These 980 SLI cards must use much less power than the Clevo counterparts if everything will work fine without throttling on a single 330w ac adapter.

 

Yeah, 330W for current SLI 980M's, but the power supply wattage is yet to be seen for the upcoming GT80 w/ desktop GPU's..... it will be interesting to see what MSI decides.

 

Right the Clevo is producing a power hungry 200 watt capable mega card so to speak (no sli connector). They are going all out where MSI is producing 150 and 120 watt cards, we have seen the GT72 with a 150 watt card and the GT80 not being released will most likely have the 120watt variant but still waiting on the details.

 

First of all, so glad you guys started this discussion!

I REALLY need help with this because I want to buy said laptop...

Is this Laptop : http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gt80s-titan-sli002-p-8751.html

the same as the one we are all here for ? http://gaming.msi.com/products/notebook/gt-series?id=3617

I'm not really getting a valid answer from the people at XOTIC-PC and I am in the process of making an attempt to order the laptop in the first link thinking it is the SAME one as we are talking about. I mean the specs match up, but to be honest is the GT80S 6QF Titan SLI 29th Anniversary Edition ???

Does MSI GT80S Titan SLI-002 = MSI 29th Anniversary Edition of the GT80S ? Or Do I need to go for this particular model ? "GT80S 6QF?

Also I haven't heard of any specific release date for the "GT80S 6QF" There is actually VERY LITTLE information at all about it.

Also, the very same issues/question was raised on the MSI forums here: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=261866.0

 

It says right in the title that it is 2 x 980m, so it isn't the one you are looking for, it is the new Skylake version of the SLI-263, dual 980m's.

MSI GT80S Titan SLI-002(2 x 980M)

The MSI 29th Anniversary GT80 SLI 980 hasn't been seen in the wild yet, and I haven't seen a part / model number for it yet... that product page at MSI for it doesn't show a product number either.

It's still too early.

 

Aw hell no then! lol I'm not getting nothing with two "M"s in it lol.... You can consider my order officially cancelled until they ADD the one I want. Thank GOD I was going to pay with a Money Order and didn't impulse buy with my card or something, thanks dude!

 

Frankzro, as always Caveat Emptor - A Latin phrase for "let the buyer beware."

If you order it there are fee's for canceling, so be aware of what you are doing before you put cash down irrevocably - it's all cash, credit is an illusion.

You might get away with covering your mistake with your "cash agent" the bank / credit card company, but you might be out $100's of dollars, and have soured a potentially happy relationship with the dealer.

Double / triple check, and then ask for 2nd opinions before you buy - there are so many things involved in picking the right thing - and our minds will play tricks on us and tell us things are true that aren't - just for that satisfactory feeling of purchase.

The dealer is there to take your order, not run your life / purchases optimally, so don't blame them if you mess up - take the hit and take delivery of what you ordered - and don't cancel.

It costs the dealer $ for you to cancel, even if only in wasted time and fees returning the $ to you, but often it involves them canceling a build order to a vendor, which makes them look bad - they often will keep their order with the vendor just to keep the relationship on track.

There are lots of costs involved with such a high end laptop purchase, make sure you are getting what you want before ordering

 

Oh No its harder than you think (by that it requires me to get off my ass and goto the bank because the payment method is Money Order ) because I have to go to my bank just to give XOTIC PC my money lol. They took SO LONG with the processing that it gave me time to not have to give them any money at all So, I lose no money because no money was ever given Still, I am glad I ran into you guys because you just saved my ass!

 

Frankzro, I did get that you hadn't paid them yet, but not for a lack of effort

Good thing you asked for a 2nd opinion from the board before following through.

It shouldn't be too much longer, another week or two...

 

I apologize about the delays in getting the order payment processing set up. I never like to hear that at all, and I always encourage anybody to reach out to me if they have questions on their order. We have been in the middle up updating our site to a completely new one, and switching some things around with our host. We were down a couple days unexpectedly and that slowed us down on getting some processing done. But if you place a new order, let me know and I'll do what I can to help.

As for the 29th edition you mentioned earlier, MSI has it listed on their site as being a 29th anniversary edition, but nothing I have seen in our info from them is specifically labeled as "MSI GTxx ... 29th Anniversary Edition." So I'm not sure if that is something they are just labeling the box of models with no real difference, or if that is going to be something like a limited special edition as a unique SKU.

 

The MSI 29th Anniversary Edition GT80s has SLI 980 Desktop for mobile processors, not 980m's.

Do any of the new MSI sku's have SLI 980 Desktop for mobile GPU's, or are all of them 980m SLI configurations?

You likely haven't seen it yet, so you don't have an MSI model number for it either.

Only the SLI 980 model uses the S after the GT80, for GT80S, that is part of the confusion - your listings incorrectly show them as GT80S's.

The MSI GT80S Titan-002 should be a MSI GT80 Titan-002, compare against all other vendors listings for the SLI-002.

The GT80S 6QF Titan SLI 29th Anniversary Edition is the only model with the S after the GT80, but we haven't seen an SLI-XXX model number for it yet.
http://msi.com/product/notebook/GT80S-6QF-Titan-SLI-29th-Anniversary-Edition.html#hero-overview

 

Everything I have seen has been 980m SLI. Nothing I have been able to see has 980 SLI as of yet. I was just trying to clarify that we haven't seen anything come through with that actual designation of 29th anniversary in the title, so there is still some uncertainty on that model.

The S in the title is for the models that have PCIe Gen 3x 4 in it, on the GT series. None of the other series like GS60, GS70, etc. have that noted though. That is similar to how the specific models of GT72 with G Sync have the "G-" in the title, where others without it don't.

 

My thought is the model linked in post #1 (29th Anniversary Edition, GT80S 6QF) is most likely SLI 980M. I say this due to the low benchmark score shown, and the description, "desktop level performance", which can still be said of 980M's in SLI. Seems to me if it were desktop GPU's, MSI would make this claim plainly, as this will be a very key feature.

 

Then it's a poor coincidence that MSI has only put up a product page for a GT80S for the SLI 980, and no pages as GT80S's for the other models.

The result is that if someone Google's GT80S, the first 2 results that come up are the MSI GT80S 980 SLI product page, and your listing for the SLI-002 980m SLI.

That is causing some people to come to your site to purchase the wrong laptop.

I see other sites using GT80S for the new models too, but some still call the SLI-002 model the GT80, makes for some confusion.

Are you seeing MSI sourced info that calls the SLI-002 a GT80S?

 

That page and all the info in it mentions the GPU as 980 only, there are no "980m" mentions other than the GPU performance comparison chart.

" GTX980 graphics and the latest Intel 6th generation Core i7-6820HK processor. 3D Mark 11 performance, when over-clocking, is expected to reach over P14,500 points, which is as powerful as that of desktops with GTX980 graphics. Moreover, 3D Mark 11 Performance of GT80 with dual GTX980 SLI graphics will reach P20,000 points."

They also call it a GT80, and not a GT80S there

From that same page, this graphic has a direct comparison of 970m SLI, 980m SLI, and 980 SLI


My own 3dmark11 results for my SLI-263 GT80 with SLI 980m's gets P17,237 stock speeds, and 18,281 OC, stock BIOS/vbios:

P17237 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M(2x) and Intel Core i7-5950HQ
Graphics Score 22261 Physics Score 10281 Combined Score 10277
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10169832

P18281 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M(2x) and Intel Core i7-5950HQ
Graphics Score 23715 Physics Score 10893 Combined Score 10749
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10169847

That means the total score of 20,000 for stock speed 980 SLI is 16% faster than the stock speed SLI-263 980m SLI... well, it is faster

The unspecified 980m SLI model in the chart gets 16806 vs 20000 for the 980 SLI, 19% faster.

We really need to see the graphics score independent of the total, as my guess is the 6820HK is holding the total score back.

Also note that the scaling from single 980 to SLI 980 is lower than I would expect, and they don't mention overclocking the 980 SLI... not enough power to feed the beast?

 

That's just a landing page, and I am still thinking it's probably just 980M's...... Thus far, the only 6th-Gen GT80's available are w/ 980M's, and I am sure when the GT80 w/ desktop GPU's is released, performance levels will be higher than shown...... and a higher watt power brick wouldn't surprise me either. Anyhow, we will see soon, and as I have already reserved mine..... stay tuned!

 

From that same page, this graphic has direct a comparison of 970m SLI, 980m SLI, and 980 SLI



I'd say that's definitive, that's what the product page is about, a 980 SLI GT80s.

 

I've seen product landing pages in error, and changed many times. All I am saying is I am not so sure...... and if this is the model I've been waiting for, well then HOORAY, because that means I'll have it sooner than expected..... but I have my doubts. In truth, when I posted this thread, I was thinking it was the model I am waiting for...... but the 6920HK was not mentioned initially...... and alas my post #3 to the thread. Now, the 6920HK is shown. Also, I am having doubts with a 330-watt PA...... so I am still confused. Also, I do not recall the graphic you are displaying when the landing page initially posted, but yep, there it is now...... GEEZ, I don't know, but we'll see soon
enough, right? LOL!

Anyhow, it appears to me that the landing page is spanning several GT80 29th Anniversary Editions that will be offered..... due to the CPU coverage, so the same could apply to GPU's as well.

 

Nice catch, I didn't see the 6920HQ listed before either, I guess they are still updating the specifications for shipping models

I brought up the 6920HK before, and others didn't think that offered as much potential as the "unlocked" 6820HK. For day to day use I think the stock speed / performance of the 6920HK without needing to OC will make it easier to live with.

I think for most people the out of the box experience is going to be faster quicker for them than needing to get into OC'ing the 6820HK to make it "as fast as" the 6920HK default speeds.

Strangely enough, the 3.7ghz max recommended OC for the 6820HK in the GT72S BIOS is 100mhz slower than the native max Turbo for the 6920HQ

Comparison of the 6920HQ, 6820HK, 5950HQ and 4870HQ
http://ark.intel.com/compare/88972,88969

If the 6920HQ is anything like the 5950HQ or 4870HQ, it would be faster day to day without needing to OC the 6820HK.

 

Hmmmm, I said 6920HK, but meant 6920HQ..... and I'm totally good with that processor.

Yeah, I think the landing page is covering several '29th Anniversary' GT80 models (different price points). Aside from 2 different CPU's, I also see 2 versions of WIN 10 in the specs, as well.

 

But, only 1 GPU variation in the specs

"Graphics GeForce GTX 980 SLI"

The price point of the 6920HQ model could be ~$200 higher, but I think worth it.

This arm chair estimation could be messed up by some lame limitation in the XTU options available / working for either CPU... we need to get actual GT80's under test to know for sure.

 

Sorry, please let me ask this for clarity sake: does the new 29th anniversary GT80S 6QF come with 980M SLI or 980 SLI (no "M")?

MSI site appears to suggest it is 980 SLI (no "M") but a lot of sellers appear to be suggesting 980M SLI instead. Who is right?

 

Titan King, for now this is all a moving target. I thought the GT80S new name was referring to only the 980 SLI version of the new "GT80"'s.

Now it looks like the S added to the GT80 could be across the board for all models, not just the 980 SLI model, so all the new models could start with GT80S.

The GT80/GT80S is the first part of the model, the 2nd part calls out the build details.

My GT80 980m SLI Broadwell is model GT80 SLI-263.

The Skylake models for sale so far are all the GT80S SLI-002, and have the 980m SLI.

The 980 SLI Skylake model SLI-XXX isn't known, only the name:

"GT80S 6QF Titan SLI 29th Anniversary Edition" and it has the 980 SLI you are looking for.

We don't know if there will be a non-Anniversary Edition of the 980 SLI GT80S.

The GT80S SLI-002 currently for sale is NOT the 980 SLI model you are looking for

 

Comparing the 29th anniversary with the GT80 2QE, it is clear that the new GT80S 6QF has the 980 SLI (no "M").

 

Titan King, the problem is, the discussion that has been going on is, that the 3dmark11 scores quoted in the MSI GT80S 980 SLI page are lower than we expected. It's all part of the magic of reality meeting expectations.

Also, again, it's all a moving target. That same product page recently added a the 6920HQ along with the originally posted 6820HK, that may not be taken into account in the numbers / graph - which CPU was used?

I imagine MSI is still optimizing the performance of these models through the vbios/BIOS, and taking that into account MSI did put 20000 Up Arrow - which means it's at least that good and higher.

The other problem is there are no other Skylake GT80(S) model product pages on the MSI site. The MSI product pages still list the 5th generation SLI 965/970/980m models, including mine, even though some vendors are taking pre-orders for a new SLI-002 Skylake model. There isn't any such model showing up on the product pages on the MSI site.

 

This is poor marketing and release. Why fark around with two products called GT80S, when most people want the GT80S with 980SLI (no M)?

It is my understanding that the "S" in GT80S stands for Skylake. But to be safe, I am holding back until GT80S 29th anniversary edition is 101% clear to include 980SLI (no M). This is just farking customers around.

 

Titan King, everyone is in a rush to get these, and MSI is trying to be timely in getting out info as soon as possible. But, that also causes questions and assumptions that are invalid without all the info / models specifications released.

You think S means Skylake, I thought S meant Special Edition, @pat@XOTICPC thinks it is referring to the new M.2 PCIe M.2 IO.

We also don't know if the S is on any other model, at least we as customers don't know, as the MSI web site only has 1 GT80S

I don't think MSI are messing with us, I think we are all messing with ourselves, making assumptions on incomplete data.

 

I am not making assumptions - I don't make assumptions when I am planning to throw several thousands of dollars to buy a laptop. Customers expect clarity and synchronized marketing between manufacturers and shopfront sellers. Isn't this what good companies do? Have you heard of Apple and how they release products?

 

This is a bit of a rough assumption, but after reading around and spotting the difference on "S" models.

Now, don't kill me, but I believe the "S" coincides with a model any MSI GT Model that comes with a "Super-Port".

Notice how most tech specs are to the letter on XOTICPC, so I'm sure it has to represent the "Super-Port" in some respect.

 

Oh my god how much does this thing cost!?!? O____O

I did happen to run into a UK site and seen some sort of almost 7k price tag, but it isn't official. If its that much I'm gonna a be scared. Lol