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    Are you going to upgrade to Windows 10 when it hits?

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by floydstime, Apr 11, 2015.

  1. floydstime

    floydstime Notebook Consultant

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    DirectX 12 seems to be pretty awesome... It is allowing direct lanes from the CPU to the GPU according to this article. Seems like it might be worth the upgrade.
     
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    yup dx12...
     
  3. notebook303

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    When can we expect Windows 10 this summer or fall?
     
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    I think I'll wait while others work out the kinks and there's some software I'll need to ensure works in Windows 10 or find suitable replacements. Given my usage, I probably won't benefit much from Windows 10.
     
  5. James D

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    Nope.
    To be precize: I will upgrade to take a Key and then go back to Seven.

    I will upgrade again but only as soon it becomes same look as Seven which probably gonna happen in Windows 11.1 (being stable is a must, not feature). This option I don't see in vote above though.
    P.S. And when I say "look like Seven" I wouldn't say this about Win 8.2. Windows 10 jumps away from both 7 and 8.2 to a hybrid tablet OS even closer than original 8.
     
  6. floydstime

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    The third option is to upgrade when it's stable.

    I believe it is projected to be released this summer. I even heard June. You can get a Windows 10 preview to try out...

    I think I might be in the same ballpark as you... But I am still undecided. DirectX 12 is the kicker for me.
     
  7. James D

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    Stable is a must for any OS at the release stage IMO. What I wrote: I gonna upgrade when it's suitable to my aesthetics needs.
    Also I might use it as 2nd OS for HEVC encodings. I believe it's faster on Win10 but might be wrong though. Because I see CPU throttles on Win10 from 3.8 to fluctuated 3.6-3.7GHz.
     
  8. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    Meh, soon, for those buying upcoming systems with next-gen tech, it will not be a question of upgrading..... as WIN 10 will be pre-installed. I do not see WIN 10 as a 'hybrid tablet OS', but more another step to 'SYNC'ing' our very lives to every piece of technology we own.

    Like it or not folks, eventually, YOU WILL BE ASSIMULATED! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! Listen carefully....... LOL!



    :D :D :D
     
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    I'll be upgrading as soon as it properly releases :)
     
  10. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    I too, will happily assimilate with my next flagship purchase. ;)
     
  11. floydstime

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    Thanks for clarifying that. You had stable is a must not a feature in parenthesis, so it was confusing. Makes more sense now.

    Yes this is true. But once it's synced right to our brains, it will....

    Excuse my I was reading about directs 12, what were you saying?


    That is open for much interpretation. Specifically the use of the word properly...
     
  12. ryzeki

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    Yeah I will most likely will upgrade to Win10. After using 7, 8, 8.1 extensively, I have grown accustomed to the faster experience of Win8, despite the "less" functionality/information I get compared to 7.

    My work laptop uses Windows 7, and everything from booting and overall use, is slightly faster on windows 8. I have hopes that windows 10 will somehow bring better usability for desktop, while being faster.
     
  13. floydstime

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    I assume it will be faster, especially the interfacing between the GFX and the CPU Cores. Check out this article, AMD bragging aside, it seems that Windows will finally make use of multi-core systems. From what it looks like, the biggest benefit will be to CUDA/Mantle dependent systems.
    http://community.amd.com/community/...mance-in-new-3dmark-api-overhead-feature-test
     
  14. James D

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    For everyone who is hyped about Dx12 API test: COMPARE DX BF4 VS MANTLE ONE.
    So what, did you get over 500% performance boost? I knew it.
     
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    You know, you are critiquing an operating system that hasn't even been released yet. The API test is a benchmark and that is all. We all should know that real world performance is not always going to have an increase in every application. The huge performance gain is most likely going to be seen in applications that are CUDA/Mantle dependent. 4K video playback and encoding is going to see a decent bump, but when you look at games like BF4 that are already using the GFX card at 80%, there is only 20% more headroom left to see an increase, so of course, you are not going to see a 500% increase in performance, but even 20-30FPS increases are going to be substantial in the eyes of the gaming community. With that, the API overhead test is measuring CPU bottleneck and opening up lanes from the CPU to the GFX processor is going to be significant regardless of your opinion on the matter. It always takes time for the Game manufacturers to catch up with technology and will eventually be able to tune those lanes for maximum performance. But even then, some software companies won't utilize those lanes. SLI/Crossfire is STILL not supported on some games released in the last 5 years. Why, is beyond me, but either way, not every next gen technology is going to be implemented in every situation. For me, or at least up until I sell my desktop, I will finally get to see my FX-8350 used to it's full potential. AMD has been almost kicked out of the CPU game for lack of efficiency and high temps, but with Windows 10, I will finally see the CPU being used properly and to me that is very significant.

    EDIT:
    I forgot to mention that Workstations will have a huge increase as well...
     
  16. James D

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    Nope. It's not about OS at all, it's about games. Do you really believe that devs will start making games which will only be played on Windows 10? Yes for strategies where thousands of ships and etc but every other game... even with "free" Windows 10 I really doubt that game devs will risk profits and start making games where current CPUs will not be enough on older operating systems. Perhaps they will do something like visual distance slider in Dying Light at best which you can't increase to max on current OS.
    I hope I'm wrong but that big hype about Dx 12 is overreaction.
     
  17. floydstime

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    I disagree, you have it backwards. Developers make games based on the current systems and depending on their budget will make them backwards compatible or compatible with Consoles and vice versa. This happens almost immediately after new Operating systems come out. Developers, in the past, have scrapped entire productions of games because a new OS hit the market. Most likely, game developers were waiting to start on the next big game so that they can take advantage of DirectX 12 up until the point where the beta testing began. They usually start on the new games as soon as they get the code for the new system which are released to developers first. So they design the game around Directx 12 and provide backwards compatibility for older cards/processors, until they are completely phased out. Also, this thread isn't about gaming. This thread is about whether MSI users are going to upgrade to Windows 10 when it comes out. MSI makes workstation/servers/cards/computer equipment and gaming laptops, so it's not just about gaming. As I said before, current games will not have a huge benefit, but every FPS counts. CUDA/Mantle intensive applications like CAD/Modeling/Development systems will have the largest increase in performance, which directly impacts the quality of future games/mechanical design/molecular and biomedical programs. Some users in these forums are developers and engineers. Please don't take this as me discounting what you are saying, we actually agree a little on this issue. Current games are not going to be much different. I am merely stating that there is a much wider scope of the application of API overhead and it's eventual impact on the consumer. Also, games design is consumer centered, (or at least it should be...), so when someone buys a new computer with Windows 10, they expect the new games that come out to be revolutionary and developers strive to meet that demand.

    For example, read this excerpt from an article on Directx 12 from pcgamesn.com.

    Prof. Morgan McGuire of Williams College, an industry consultant and coauthor of “Computer Graphics: Principles & Practice", explained that, “We'll quickly see a few small improvements to a small number of games, but DX12 won't instantly make everything better — it is a developer technology, not a consumer one. Over the next two years we'll see the real impact as new PC-exclusive games designed for DX12 ship.”

    You can read the whole article here...
    http://www.pcgamesn.com/reality-check-what-developers-really-think-of-directx-12
     
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    If only DirectX 12 delivers what it promised... Other than Windows 7 still solid as rock
     
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    If DX12 helps as intended, switching the load off the CPU for many things, it will be great for our current setups. Well, at least mine, as my CPU is not upgradeable lol :)
     
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    I think it will work out. There was a bunch of issues with Win 8 when it came out, but over all it is a faster system.
     
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    I'm excited to install it once it's released, and will install as soon as possible. I have been very happy with 8, even happier with 8.1, and wouldn't dream of going back to 7. So hurry up 10!
     
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    Interesting... I was expecting more apprehension from alot of people. But it looks like alot of people will be upgrading right away...
     
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    Based on the previous formula, WinME, WinVista, and Win8 were not favored.
     
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    It seems to skip a generation or two ... Windows 8 was a great tablet OS. I think Windows was under the impression that Keyboards would be obsolete by the year 2010...
     
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    While I don't think there is enough data to see which OS is good or bad, I am confident MS definitely learned from the backlash win8 received, and they will most likely try to avoid it, so it should be good.
     
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    I am a fan of windows 8 and 8.1. Never had any real issues with it but I also am a fan of touch devices.

    I will be waiting on 10, just to make sure it doesn't break any games I like to play and isn't a mess when it releases. I'll take the free upgrade key and wait for that right moment.
     
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    Official launch of course :)
     
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    I upgraded to Windows 8 since day 1 and I had almost any trouble since then. I'm upgrading to W10 right away based on that previous experience :)
     
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    im actually a big fan of windows 8. I will definitely upgrade all my machines to W10 right away as well :)
     
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    Win 8.x is basically a tablet OS, but if it's the thin client version then it does not have the extra "goodies".
     
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    I've had Windows 10 Tech Preview an a spare SSD in an MSI GT780DX for several months upgrading it as new builds are released.

    Yesterday ,build 10061 was released.The full update from previous build done through Windows Update.

    The new build is "almost" RC1 quality.

    My other 2 SSDs in the same notebook have Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and Windows 8.1 x64 Pro.The latter being the main OS.
     
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