Advent 7555 & NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800M

basically the question is will this work ?


NVIDIA® Quadro® FX 3800M is gddr3 and i dont know much about mmx mmxII etc

i upgraded cpu to q9200 and ram to 8 gb and last thing i wanted upgrade graphic from ati 4850 to quadro as im playing sometimes with AE, 3ds max i dont do a lot of gaming only watching sometimes movies and youtube.

i made custom cooling so the temp isnt problem heat sink for graphic card wont be a problem either can make new one

the only thing im worried is bios and fitting

could someone give me a bit of advice ?

 

MMX is a CPU instruction set made by intel in 1996.

MXM is the graphics card interface your laptop uses. There are 2 main types of MXM, v2.1 and v3.0.

You have MXM 2.1. There has never been a 3800m of 2.1 interface. So, all the 3800m you find will be 3.0 and will NOT fit.

The 7555 is based off the MSI gx720, gt725, gt729. The MSI gx740 does use 3.0 and will function with the 3800m, the new Quadro 3000m, 4000m, and even 5010m if it doesn't just explode at that point.

The motherboard for the gx740 will fit in your laptop. Unfortunately it will be pretty much impossible to find that motherboard for sale.

Sorry. Best you can do is the 3700m. The Lenovo branded 3700m will overclock VERY well, in fact, you can overclock it to the performance of the 3800m which is just a 55nm 3700m at clockrates of 675mhz.
For something like this, be sure to cool the power components on the board with copper (the 4850 can be uncooled) and also get a 150w or 180w power adapter.

The Dell version will not fit. The HP version will work fine, but will not overclock.

I can offer you a 3600m for a very good price. The 3600m overclocks even better, but not quite 3800m performance.
Half the price of a Lenovo 3700m tho, even if you don't buy from me.

There is also a 2700m, which is worse than the 3600m, and a 1600m which is worse than a 9600m GT really.

Good luck. Pics of your heatsink mod?

 

well how much do you want for your 3700 card ?

I see you know a lot about laptops, one more question

whats best card im talking about ati and nvidia i can fit in advent 7555 ?

will ati 4870 work ? is there point in upgrading will 4870 work better than 4850 ?
i did a bit of research and know nvidia 250 is just the same as ati 4850 so no point in upgrading.

what is the best i could go for without replacing motherboard ?


and i have done already custom cooling actually cpu idle temp is about 32C gpu arround 35 to 40 C HHD 25C

everything loaded at 100%

cpu never more than 60C GPU 62C HDD 35C

nothing overclocked

if i had to upgrade the gpu and the heat sink was different i would make new one no problem with that

 

I don't have the 3700m anymore, only the 3600m.

Answer: You've got it. The 4850 is pretty much the best ever made for 2.1.
The 4870 is just an overclocked 4850.

Nvidia 250m is not as good. The desktop 250 is very different from the 250m.

The problem with mxm 2.1 is that it was right around the time of the defective Nvidia solder. So, if you try to go about overclocking a 3700m it could end badly.
Also, mxm 2.1 was discontinued at the same time nvidia started using the new 55nm manufacturing process, which is much more efficient.

The 4850/4870 obviously do not have the solder problems because they are ATI. These cards are very rare in 2.1 form. They are 55nm as well.

ATI cards do not have as good openGL performance as equivalent Nvidia cards. So, the 3700m would still be better for your purposes, but yea the solder can crack and cause the card to fail.

There a few 55nm Nvidia GPUs in mxm 2.1 form, these can really deliver very high performance, possibly better than the 4870. But these are even rarer more overpriced. They are the GTX 260m and 280m, but again NOT 3.0, so no dell/alienware cards will work.
And there are no Quadro 55nm mxm 2.1 cards.

Really the overall problem is that it was discontinued, and there is nothing with gddr5 on 2.1.

I do have one crazy idea however, well I have a few but this ones for you
It may be possible to replace the ddr3 vRAM on your 4850 with gddr5 modules. It would require a professional with BGA reball equipment. Also, it would probably require some serious vBIOS modding, as a 4850 with gddr5 has never existed, even tho it supports it.

Maybe you should be the ambitious one to finally do something like this, its entirely possible and you would have the most powerful MXM 2.1 notebook ever pretty much.

 

I have found fx 3700 for 160 £ on ebay

Nvidia Quadro FX 3700m FX 3700 FX3700 1GB | eBay


i will buy that one .


I have question you're talking about changing vram to gddr5

4850m has 500megs gddr3, is it possible to change vram on 4850m to 1gb or more i mean gddr3 but with more capacity ?


have you tried ever before upgrading vram on graphic card ? will this work ? does it take a lot of work ?

if so and i wanted to updrage vram on 4850 where from can i get it ?


4850m do work great in max and AE and it would work a way better if it had more vram.

if there was a cheap option of upgrading vram i wouldnt really need to buy quadro fx

 

There are 4850 cards at 1GB as i have one.

ive got the MSI GT-729 (same motherboard as yours)

 

Yeah I know there are 1gb 4850 but not on ebay difficult to buy it.

I bought yesterday quadro 3700 of ebay it has 1gb vram will see if its better than 4850

 

good job,

please report back if there is a big increase, temps and clocks

also what is this cooling mod you have? my temps are far to high 60c idol and around 80-90c full

 

Hi Chris actually for the last two nights i was upgrading cooling.

now the temps are as follow:

room temp 25C


cpu idle 30C
Gpu idle 35C
Hdd idle 27C


the cooling i made is nothing special or maybe it is , i have only made new heat sink for the cpu and the gpu.

bought copper sheet 1.6mm, few low profile heat sinks few fans (blowers x3).

the laptop is attached to alu base it look very good.

blowers attached to the bootom of the base

i will take some pics latter and will post it here.

blowers have external power supply regulated one from 5V to 12 V all fans are 12 v but they work at 5v too.

usually i set it to 5v so no noise at all there is no need to increase V, cus even at 5v the cpu 100% load wont go over 60C

if i load cpu to 100% and set fans to 12v the temp will stay 40C to 50C


im actually happy from what i made.

 

good job, what was your temps before you did any of that?

 

well GPU idle about 65C
CPU 60 C

 

Can we see pictures?

BTW, yes you can get 1gb cards somewhere... but a 512mb gddr5 card would be MUCH faster.

And I think the gt729 uses ddr3 doesn't it?

Anyway, it might be possible to use a gts 360m gddr5 made for Asus notebooks. But still, the 4850 will probably always be faster as its almost as powerful as the gtx 260m but only at 50w.

 

I bought already Quadro 3700 but still waiting for for thermal tape before will replace it with 4850m

Listen so will the fx 3700 work properly in advent 7555 ? i been just reading something about 3d etc and that the fx 3700 wont work fully on 1722 right ?



below pic of the desktop with temps room temp about 25C

Take look at the attached pic on the top is the HDD temp in red it says 24 C it is in red cus the temp is to low can you imagine ? laptop with to low temp LOL
the the CPU 28 C
and graphic ATI 33 C

in the next post i will upload pics of whats inside of my laptop

 

Bit of explanation.

I own few laptops actually i have only laptops at home.

7555 bought two years ago and because i do a bit of programming in linux and use sometimes MAX and AE and also play games i wanted to try to lower the temp.

i had older lappy at that time acer 5735 i started from that one i do know a bit of about electronics so no problem adding things.

i tried different types of cooling first was peltier i bought of ebay it didnt work well ( didnt work well because i wanted to build to cheap coiling if i had few hundered of £ to spend on cooling the cpu temp would be 0C) then i tried water cooling and i killed my laptop.

after acer i turned to 7555 my second laptop and made decision will build air cooling i didnt know much about heatsinks and the air flow etc.

i bought akasa pad it is alu pad, the pad as i bought it in PCworld didnt cool the laptop much even when i took the bottom cover of the laptop out the max i could get was about 5C lower temp not much.

I was reading a lot on the net testing different fans adding bigger and smaller adding tiny fans directly to the original cpu heatsink etc etc etc, every sometimes i tried to upgrade something change just to see if the temp will be lower.

the final product as you can see on the pics, maybe not perfect looking but it does lower the temp by 30C both the CPU and the GPU and because i use regualted AC/DC it curently run at 5v fans 12 v so in real life there is no noise coming out at all.
if needed i can lower the temp even more just by increasing power to 7v or 9v or 10v or 12v. as I said power supply is regulated.

Picture 1 - laptop

Picture 2 - laptop is attached to the pad here you see bottom of the pad

Picture 3 - pad with + bottom laptop

Picture 4 - pad you see there a lot of tape white and black its because blovers were attached to the pad in different positions for testing and cus it didnt work i had to move it to other place and at the end had to cover the holes

when the laptop come on the top of the pad it is sealed mean there is no holes air coming from between laptop and base.

the point of this cooling is to make the blowers suck air from the highest point, advent 7555 has good point there where is located battery i made few small holes there so the blowers suck the air from the holes i made through heat sinks, motherboard, hdd and blow it out to the sides at the bottom of the pad. Unless i load the cpu and gpu at 100% the air coming out is cold just the same as laptop there is no warm point in the laptop even if you put find=ger near the point where original laptop fan blow the air outside there is nothing coming out as the original heat sink is cold or almost cold.

Picture 5 - this is bottom of the laptop with modified heat sinks for gpu and cpu

i didnt remove old heatsinks i just added new one on top of old.

there is about 6 screws if i wanted to remove the modified heat sinks no problem with that.

I want to say adding things to laptop is dangerous cus there is no much place to move arround you can kill your laptop if you wont careful.


I could make everything look a bit better cuz i learned a lot for example low profile alu heatsinks i used arent the best better are copper ones or if alu it should be as thin as possible. the ones i used cost about 5£ each basically because i did this colling on my own i tested many different options and the point was not to waste to much money anyway in the future i will most probably change something again

 

very nice. i could do with some of that. good work

i think ile try something like that myself

 

There is no good reason for it not to work. I don't think anyone has put enough time and effort into getting it to work when they had issues.

And, I don't think anyone else whose tested a 3700m in the 1722 has had the version you bought, which is an HP card. The Lenovo cards are extremely odd in the grand scheme of things, being the only known MXM card with board ID p612, and the only g92 based standard MXM 2.1 card that is not board ID p398.

The HP cards are p398. In fact, they are nearly identical to the 9800m GT, 8800m GTX etc so if it doesn't work then NONE of them do! Which would be frankly ridiculous.