Additional Info On Stolen Msi Barebones And Completed Notebooks

Thank you very much! +rep

 

You are welcome---glad to help...

 

AND THE BEAT GOES ON !!!



Dear _____________ ,

We have concluded our investigation into your case and have decided in your
favor.

We were able to recover $XXX.XX USD and this amount has been credited to
you. Please allow five business days for this adjustment to be posted.

If you are due any additional funds, we will make our best effort to
recover the balance from the seller.


If the seller's account has insufficient funds to complete the refund owed
to you, please be assured that we will take appropriate action against the
seller's account, which may include limitation of the seller's account
privileges.


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Transaction Details

THANK YOU PAYPAL !!!!!!!!!​

Now I need to start the dreaded "shopping mode" all over again... I will be active on ebay and the marketplace on this site...

PSSSSSST: I need to get hooked up with another notebook... If you want to pm me I can give you parameters... Thanks...

NOTAGEEK

 

100% Recovery Of Funds?

 

YES SIR---To te penny... I was very lucky, my seller was very legit and in business for 10 years... He was almost as upset as I was about this issue...

My seller went far enough to email me a pre-paid shipping label so all i had to do was clear tape it to the shipping box and call UPS... Normally I would have to pay the return shipping, but as I said I was lucky on this deal...

As soon as this was delivered to him this afternoon he reversed the paypal $$$'s back to me and I dropped the paypal complaint...

 

Good for you. I wonder, now that MSI appears to be getting at least some of the units back, if they will legitimize them and re-sell them. They can't sell them as new. Maybe we can get them at a substantial price break. (Gotta think ahead)

 

Good for you Notageek.

Now you get to go shopping all over again and remember this time:

Ask for the serial #'s

 

I've received this letter a couple of times from PayPal on defective returns. Only they told me all they could recover was 2/3 or 3/4 of what I was owed. I turned it over to my credit card services and I was paid the balance due me with in 30 days after providing documentation.

 

Its Saturday and my 1722id2 just came, i cant call MSI until monday. Anyone else know how I can check today? Because if its legit, i want to open it now

 

Did you purchase via eBay?

 

Yes, I ordered from diver7dc. I realize that he has sold one hot unit, but I didn't find that out until the day after he shipped it

 

Sorry, to hear this.
I will tell you with 100% certainty that it will be on the MSI list of stolen laptops.
Give Becky a call at MSI on Monday, ext 123

 

Without spamming the forum.
Get your post count up to gain PM privileges and PM me.

 

How many posts do I need to gain PM privileges?

 

Can I email you instead cyber16?

 

Diver7c was selling ID1's early on but recently ID2's.

Has anyone ended up with a stolen ID2?

 

Be real careful with ANY Purchase

 

Him and his buddy have been selling id 2's for sometime.
I know this for FACT...
Look up Item number: 120384078562

Yes, I will just say several stolen ID2's..

 

Thanks, just emailed you

 

Hey! I put my old MS-1651 S/N into a MSI ticket last December, so I'll try ot remember to go look it up tomorrow(if it still exists) and post it.

(I was semi-refunded, but lost shipping two ways, plus a paypal fee...)

 

How did all these laptops get stolen in the 1st place? Did a couple ex-employees decide to take 500 of these laptops out the back door? Did a 3rd party truck driver decide he wanted some extra cash and let the mob "rob" him? Doesn't make sense how 100's if not 1000's of these units were stolen. I bought 2 of the red 1651's on ebay before reading about these hot barebones.

Sucks, because they'll probably be on the stolen list, and if I'd known that then I wouldn't have gone through with the purchase. I already bought the components to install in them also (2x X7900's, couple 7200rpm hdd's, intel 5100/5300)....

 

lol i asked this same question and havent gotten an answer

From the looks of it it definitely looks like tens of thousand of notebooks were stolen,

 

yeah it seems so. i have always been thinking the same question how did that MANY system get stolen. i can see maybe 100 okay even a few hundred you know maybe from a truck or something but thousands (at least thats what it seems like at this point) i mean what did msi forget to literally close the doors when they left? i hate to put it that way but that is for sure what it seems like. unless they had a boat or plane hijacked or something like that where a whole container got taken??

 

Did you ever get a for sure answer?

 

You are right the shopping mode has set back in and--------IT SUXX !!!

3 things i hate to do are 1 shaving 2 moving and 3 shopping lol... If I do end up with another MSI I will be sure to ck out the serial# 1st... I am open to any make or model at this point and might even be leaning to the major names...

Good luck and hope it turns out to be clean... Too bad you have to wait...

Now that my deal is behind me i am thinking about starting a new thread and really telling it like it is about the way i feel about MSI and the way they are handling this issue...

NOTAGEEK

 

It depends on your budget, but there are some good deals on the GX720's on eBay fully configured. ~$999/ea, also from Newegg as they clean out older stock I guess.

At this point, a new GX720 is close to a bare bones configured.

 

What I heard is MSI makes and agreement with a distributer in US and sells 20,000 of these. One of the requirements of the agreement was no ebay sales. Due to the economic crisis we are in, the distributer goes to liquidation and sells these computers to anybody who wants them at low prices. That is how these computers end up at ebay. MSI does not like the outcome of the deal and since the distributer is going out of business, MSI started telling people that these are stolen computers. I am just wondering if anybody actually went to police and reported these computers. I wouldn;t be surprised if police says these are not stolen. MSI may collect these and sell these back.

In any case MSI lost all of its reliability in my eyes and I'll never ever buy anything from them.

 

totally agree that it is probably more to do with trying to block sales on ebay or similar msi nonsense rather than thousands of processors or notebook pc's being stolen, but if msi came out and stated they do not guarantee or offer support for any of their products bought off ebay....?

 

For anyone that thinks MSI or the investigating authorities owe the public some sort of explanation of a ongoing investigation of a larceny crime that is still in its early stages, needs to wake up.

There are crimes of all sorts that take place daily that you are not provided details or even know about.
The priority for all investigating authorities for all crimes is first find the true offenders and indite them.

Once that is done, then MSI as a company can deal with the aftermath.
But any sort of measures taken by MSI prior if they even at this time have been provide any options by the authorities, could hinder/impede on the on going investigation any make it much more difficult to track each and every involved party.

If any of the naysayers simply took the time to call the authorities in the City Of Industry and directly speak to a few of the special investigating cargo detail on this crime.
There is plenty of information that they can confirm.
626-330-3322, i spoke directly to Detective Bush, he did confirm and he also provided me with other detective names and numbers that are working on this from the Cargo theft detail.

This was NO SMALL THEFT, I have been given a few numbers, although I am not sure of the actual final product count, I can confirm that it is in the 1000's and we are talking millions in wholesale/RETAIL value.

Just some of the posts i read are so obvious, it would have anyone question the mindset & motivation of a few.
These posts are in such a manner as if they have a personal agenda or need some sort of justification for their ongoing actions.
You being in this thread or any of the other threads provides you with much more info about this theft than 99+% of what the general public know.

There are reasons of why things are being done as such.
Those involved within the investigation are not stupid, and they for the most part have unlimited resources both state/federal/cooperate to find and prosecute those directly involved.

Meanwhile if you suspect you have one that may be on the list.
Call, as it is never legal to have stolen wares in your control.
The victims of this can work with MSI.
Just remember, transaction details can be pulled up at anytime when/if needed.

Now you have a phone number to the local police, why do i have a feeling many will NOT even call...

 

So those laptops they aren't actually stolen? though are there any offical response from MSI about those laptops?

 

My laptop is almost 100% guaranteed to be stolen. I will be calling MSI as soon as I get home tomorrow afternoon, and getting everything taken care of

 

To be clear on my personal motivation.
Some of the naysayer posts have the tendency to lead people into thinking that it is ok purchase these without questions and it is only some cooked up conspiracy on behalf of MSI.

There are allot of people internet researching these MSI laptops because of the current prices & availability.
Google will lead several searchers into this venue.

As it did for myself, it was many of the naysayers posts early on that lead me to believe that these were OK to purchase.

I know much better now, learned my lesson well.

Yet there are still many others as like myself early-on that need to completely understand what it is they are embarking into.

 

Maybe it's the wrong attitude to have, but I ended up buying 2 1722 ID2s and 3 1651 ID3s. A few friends bought 1722s as well, per my recomendation.

I then found out 3 weeks later after I'd built the up and sold off what I wasn't using (my wife and I have 1722s, my mom and dad have 1651s, and my cousin who's going off to college).

I sold off our desktop computers, my parents sold their old Dell they were sharing, and I know at least one friend sold his old laptop. Finding out these could be stolen put a major damper on things for us.

But when I tried to contact MSI last week, I got nothing in reply. I gave them serial numbers, but heard nothing back. I haven't called them as my phone is currently in a few pieces and I have to wait for my next paycheck to buy a new one. But you would think that they'd be inclined to respond to my inquiry...but all I got back was silence. At what point do we say hell with it, we gave it our best shot? (Besides after a phone call)

 

Ndokderti,
Are you asking when is it ok to posses stolen property?
The answer is easy: never, or not until the rightful owner has acknowledged & turned over the the rights to said property to you.
Or the authorities turn such property over is cases like police auctions.

Only at that time that property will be removed from the authorities lists of stolen property.
At a point in time, the true owners of said property maybe be compensated via homeowners/corporate insurance or other means.
At that time them stolen properties then belong to said entities.
At this point these entities can pursue for losses as well if so inclined.

 

to be fair to everyone i think this thread should be locked until there is some definite news from the company concerned stating that laptops or components have been stolen and may be sold on through third party retailers on ebay etc, also they need to confirm where it is safe to purchase their products.

i would not contact any numbers or emails given here on this or any other forum in this context as it could well be a scam to get your details!!

 

I 100% disagree, but then again i'm not paranoid!
You are always welcome to call MSI directly, you go online to MSI's site and find the contact us and call the number.
You can also look up the phone number to the police as well on your own.
Mean while MSI has the info on where to purchase.
http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/whereToBuy.asp

 

I'm not asking when it's ok to have stolen property.

I'm asking at what point you say that you gave it a shot, you exercised due dilligence, and give up?

Say I find a wallet in the street with a thousand bucks in it. Being the honest person I'd like to think I am, and knowing how much it would hurt losing that much money (as I lost my wallet with $85 in it and was quite pissed), I'd put it up saying I found it. But if no one claimed it in a certain period of time, I'd call it mine.

 

The resources are available to validate stolen or not.
You can either speak to MSI, they have one person that can confirm for you, she was given this horrible job, "ext 123 Becky" normally works HR.
Or simply call the local police, they also have a list, they may need to transfer you once since all I provided was the direct switchboard number.

I understand your question.
It really don't matter if it was one day spent or a lifetime in attempts to find the rightful owner/s, the fact will remain it is stolen until otherwise noted.

 

It is what it is.

You can choose to:

Find out or not
Follow up and request a refund or not (You only have so many days)
Choose to broadcast your situation or not (Fix it quietly or inform others)

Pretty straight forward.

Talking to a few people, what has happened to some is their box arrives with the side square with the system info cut out and SN# missing. Well, you don't have to call MSI to solve that mystery.

 

Removed for rebate purposes.

 

Agreed.
It seemed that many from CA came this way whereas the Florida sellers did not.
Nonetheless, origination from CA or Florida if stolen, label on the boxes makes no difference.

Those that have the label removed, likely removed both the exterior box label as well as the internal box label,

 

I have tried for 2 hours to contact becky, no answer....

 

What some-times works in many office environments is just dial the main MSI number and let the switchboard operator answer.
Then explain all you have received is her voice mail, she maybe able to page/patch you right to her if she is not in her office.

Or simply she is not in today, I have not personally spoken to her for a few days myself.

 

Just found out she is not in today, its all because my laptop came

 

Is it just me or does it seem that the members of this forum are more interested in recovering MSI's stolen laptops than MSI itself ?
Could it be that MSI will get full value from their Insurance Company for the units that stay stolen and nothing for the ones that are recovered, even though their value had diminished substantially?
It appears that it's common knowledge that the units (most of them at least) listed on EBay are part of the theft. Why hasn't MSI notified the powers that be at EBay? EBay wants no part of selling stolen merchandise and would shut the sales down immediately if someone just asked.Why haven't they asked?
This whole deal smells funny.

Just for the record, I would love to buy one of these things on EBay but I'm one of those people who drives the speed limit even when the Cops aren't around. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I had one in my house. I'd like to see this thing cleared up, one way or the other.

 

cyber ill add when i tried to call becky i left a few messages almost a week ago and still to this day never got a call back. i no longer have the laptop in question coming to me anymore because i was able to get a refund. but imo that does not fare well for her communication and i know she is busy with this but c'mon more than a week time is ridiculous. and im not condoning anyone keep these but just my thoughts

 

There still isn't anything clear cut about this. Cyber, you claim to have spoken with the 'special investigation' officers assigned to investigate grand larceny, and provide a number to MSI, claiming it to be to the City of Industry police? Looking here, there is no 'Detective Bush' listed on the roster for the special division of lapd that serves City of Industry. Granted, it may not be listed for whatever reason, but do you seriously expect all thousand(s) of people who bought or are buying msi notebooks from jan till now to call this one small detachment?

I'm interested in seeing the response that others might get from MSI, as we only have two confirmations of this data so far, and there is still the question of whether these models are actually simply being sold below msrp and outside the purview of MSI's channels, or any other explanation.

And your claims that everyone with a stolen notebook is now a criminal and is criminally responsible for neglecting due diligence on their purchase are ridiculous. We've had no confirmations one way or another, just a handful of posters screaming blue murder about their paypal claims? The information is really lacking here. At this point any MSI product is suspect, following your reasoning.

And before you go off, yes, I'm naysaying and not only furthering the sale of stolen property but the downfall of moral society itself, but there literally has been nothing to go but wild claims. We need an official response.

 

Funny but I agree.

 

OK, I gotta eat crow. I just called the city of industry police that I linked to, and asked about stolen laptops.

They initially asked for a serial #, but I told them I was considering buying and had been directed to them as there may have been 1000's stolen of one brand. (I did not mention MSI's name) I was then redirected the voice mail of Dt. Bush. So yes, there is a Detective Bush, whether he deals with all laptop thefts above a certain size or if they were familiar with the MSI situation already, who knows.

I was reluctant to call as I certainly am not interested in the internals of this, nor do I want to pay long distance to California in a phone exchange that would yield little benefit. If you are still in contact with this guy, Cyber, you might want to suggest that they make a statement or clear up details.

You were truthful, which makes the MSI provided info at least confirmed. But the question remains, what is the scope? What is safe to buy?

 

Edit:
Thank you.
Again,

I also called right after your Naysayer post.
I was given two other names as well
Detective Bush was the first person I spoke with.
He provided me with two other names, of which I just tried to contact.
Spoke to one of them, and he provide two more as well.
I explained and it was suggested that i call them tomorrow.
If they provide something that can be posted, I will post it.
Meanwhile I also have to respect their investigation.

Nonetheless, there are many victims here.
MSI does understand this.

The fact remains, once stolen they will remain stolen until the rightful owners release the rights.
When provided the information of the possibility of stolen goods, it is up to you the buyer/citizen to validate your purchase.
Those that have the information at hand and do nothing with it, as far as the law is concerned, guilty of possession of stolen property.
This is a extreme reference, but true.
There are several places to purchase 100% legit MSI laptops.
http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/whereToBuy.asp


edit:
You are correct.
I provide the incorrect phone number by error, I have many direct phone numbers to several that are involved with this investigation as well as MSI's number.
i have since gone back and provided the correct number to the police switchboard.

Once confirmed, I would then not suggest everyone to call, this would not be of any benefit and would likely be more of a pain for the authorities.
Try to work with MSI on their time line, I am sure they are still trying to work out the details on how to deal with such a mess.