***The Official NEW 2019 MSI GT75 TITAN Owner’s Lounge, Intel Core i9, NVIDIA RTX 2080***

***The Official NEW 2019 MSI GT75 TITAN Owner’s Lounge, Intel Core i9, NVIDIA RTX 2080***

a work in-progress.....

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***Reserved for videos, and unboxing photos***



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***Reserved for final thoughts, and benchmarks***

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8 Feb 2019:

As I have mentioned in previous post here, I opted for the GT75 Titan-013US model, due to it's 144hz screen. To me, since this is only a 17" screen, the models with the 60hz HD screens do not make much sense for gaming. However, the -013 model is not spec'ed as I would like, and I will be returning this notebook to have upgrades done to primary and secondary NVMe storage, DDR4, and a thermal re-paste of CPU and GPU. I would have had this done prior to delivery, but I was too anxious to get my hands on this new toy..... a BIG mistake!

Over all, this notebook is truly stylish, excellent build quality, Big, Bold, Beautiful, and without a doubt, a true performance POWERHOUSE! Everything simply works well, very responsive, lightning fast, and lives up to it's moniker, "The Titan".

In short, I love most everything about this notebook, except for one critical thing....and a HUGE problem in my book! I am not fond of any notebook which can boil water straight from the box, and has fan noise so loud, that it can easily be heard in the next room.

Quite simply, and as anticipated, this i9-8950HK runs HOT! This immediately became apparent when running a full-system scan with my security software. Shortly into this, I noted the CPU fan spinning-up loudly, which had me wondering, 'What the HECK is going on here'? I immediately launched the Dragon Center, and observed the CPU utilization was fluctuating between 86 to 96%, the CPU temp was at 96 C, and the CPU fan was spinning at 4800 RPM. GEE WIZ, this was only a security scan for goodness sakes.

As such, I am now reluctant to run any serious benching which will tax the CPU....but of course, I did so anyway, opting to do 3DMark Sky Diver. Here are the excellent scores, but also what happened with CPU temps during the Physics test....Ouch!



On the other hand, I was very pleased with the GPU max temp of 75 C, at 99% utilization. This is an excellent temp, attesting to the GPU's efficiency. Furthermore, in spite of the high CPU temps, the benchmark ran flawlessly, fast and smooth. Like a hot knife to butter, the GT75 sliced through Sky Diver as I haven't seen previously in a notebook.

Anyhow, from what I have seen thus far, the manufacturer should focus more attention to thermal control within these i9 notebooks, specifically the TIM application, and perhaps an undervolt. By design, MSI has opted to give us these powerful, infamously hot-running processors, and customers need not have systems that can boil water for their next cup of tea.

I have seen results wherein a liquid metal application can significantly reduce i9 CPU temps. Personally, though it will cause delay in the delivery of your new system, I would recommend all purchasers of these i9 notebooks, consider having their reseller re-paste at least the CPU. This is one of several good reasons for purchasing from an authorized 'Reseller', as opposed to warehouse e-tailers, which often do not provide such services.

On a positive note here, I notice Gentech PC is offering the following special options in thermal paste. Normally, the cost for such services can run an extra $35 to $50. Only $0.01! This is an outstanding value, especially given the amount of time and work involved here.



Today, I will be returning my notebook to Gentech so Ken Lee (The Notebook God!) can work his magic. Once the GT75 is back in my hands, I will continue testing, evaluation, and additional benchmarks.....so stay tuned to this post for further updates. For now, here is a bit more auditing and SSD benchmarks:







CPU-Z Validator and Benchmark results

This model came equipped with a single 256GB NVMe SSD ( Samsung MZVLW256HEHP), but once upgraded to 512GB NVMe RAID-0, I'll post further SSD benchmarks for comparison. It will also be interesting to see a re-run of Sky Diver, with temps reflecting the new liquid metal application.

Cheers & Enjoy!

 

I look forward to a review, I am interested in the RTX2080 performance because I found the desktop versions a tad disappointing, particularly due to price. It seems the 2080 is the only one like a true step up from my GTX1080.

But at the same time I want to know more or less how much performance I would loose if I go for the GS75. I really like the new design...

 

So no SKU with an i7-8850h this time? Man the i9 is going to inflate the price for anyone wanting a 2080.

I suppose it's almost time to reach out to my contact at MSI, to see if they are going to honor the trade in program this go around. Promises are promises.

 

Hi Ryzeki,

I'll do my best to represent!

The new RTX 2080 GPU has convinced me to retire or sell my GT83, and I am thinking the new GT75 will conserve a bit of size and weight, with outstanding single-GPU performance, while departing from the issues sometimes encountered with an SLi config. (stuttering, lack of game optimization, etc.)

Though I have already pre-ordered with Ken, per se' (laid down the plastic), I am caught between GT75 -011US and -013US models. Naturally I want the top config, but I am somewhat put-off with the 60hz HD screen, and I feel from a gaming perspective, I would be better served with the 144hz screen.

The GS-75 you are looking at is definitely a slick and sleek design, and I can see why it's caught your eye. However, not sure if you noticed, the 2080 is the Max-Q, rather the desktop GPU.....BUT, at least you won't have to worry about the clunky dual-PS, and much less thickness and weight. I feel the performance will be there, but as with all of these notebooks, the question remains if they can do the job without throttling, and do so under gaming load, cool & quiet. Of course the GS75's new 'Trinity +' design reads well, but this remains to be seen.

Cheers!

 

GE75 does comes with i7 and 2080.

 

Has anyone heard from Kevin Wong(?) MSI USA rep?

 

Found some pricing on some of the models.

https://cukusa.com/laptops/coming-soon/geforce-rtx-20-series/msi-geforce-rtx-gaming-laptops.html

 

Cuck usa

 

No comment lol ... they also have an eBay store too ....

 

Will any games ever utilize the i9's capability, or is this another benchmark geek notebook?
Something to fiddle with, under/over volt, post benchmarks to see who's d**k is bigger?
OR ... Do any games NOW utilize the i9's capability?
Video and picture editing it excels at, even 3D benchmarks are superb ..... but this is being bought for gaming, not video editing (unless you do).
The RTX 2080 with a capable i7 might be the better gaming choice if made available? ... More cost effective? .... Upgrade to better storage and RAM?

 

The i9 on laptops is just an i7 unlocked with higher clocks, so yeah it will be utilized by games, but it is not a "need" but rather a premium.

Many games already use the CPU, most notably multiplayer online games where all extra threads help minimum frames and average performance. It becomes a necessity over older quad cores if you want high refresh + streaming simultaneously. Otherwise you are going to choke.

I personally would be more than fine with a regular i7 6 cores. They are more limited and all, but for the use I have been giving them, they are better than my current i7 and that's good enough. I would love an unlocked CPU but if I do go with the GS75, then that is probably a bad idea and instead the regular i7 plus reducing its voltage to stock is a better idea.

 

Yeah I know the RTX2080 on the GS series is a Max Q. I fully expect it to perform similar to my GTX1080 normal edition due the whole max q power limits, but it's not a "bad" trade off in my opinion. It would be like having my current GT73 but on a slimmer profile.

I am not dead set on it, and still consider the GT75. It's weird because I was not very convinced with thin and light machines before, but nowadays... they don't seem so bad. Perhaps because I no longer expect max performance, just "good enough"? The GT75 is still a better machine, even if bulkier... the cooling is excellent and I love my GT73, so naturally I was first considering a GT75.

We will see.

I recommend the 144hz. I have two 4K screens that I game on, and I honestly recommend you go 1080p high refresh. the amount of power needed to properly run 4K high settings is way too much and if you have less than 60fps its just annoying. With 1080p you will have legs to spare and at such a tiny screen, it is the best idea. 4K I only recommend in huge monitors or TVs.

The best would be a 1440p high refresh screen, but we don't have that choice!

 

The GT75 definitely has the pipes to keep things cool with an i9 under the hood, cooling is an issue with the i9, its hot.
Mine doesn't go over 70°C GPU during the most demanding games, the CPU never hits 55°C, ever.
4K I avoided, I went with the 1080, all my games I play on Ultra, peg to 60FPS, smooth as silk, never overheat or have an issue with throttling. I get amazing in game benchmarks.

I just cant help think that MSI has gone in the wrong direction here with the new gen GT75, the i9 is only marginally better than an i7, unless its tinkered with and OC'd. I would skip this gen from MSI and go with the next gen Intel processor (i10?).
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/core-i7-vs-i9

I would rather have a better video card (which it has), more aluminium than plastic, and definitely a high precision touchpad (crappy TP on this item, w10 doesn't support it). I would have develop this next series differently, as an owner of a GT75.

 

Since the cpu is soldered, most user tends to get the max config for CPU for the long run.

 

Agreed Ryzeki, and thanks for the input! Of course your opinion is ALWAYS valued.

Yeah, considering a 17" screen, and the theme of these notebooks being, 'Gaming', I am not sure what the manufacturers are thinking with the costlier 60hz HD screens. Personally, I hardly ever drive larger screens or multiple monitors with my notebooks, and even with my desktop gaming system, 1440p rocks!

I will definitely be opting for the GT75 -013 model with the 144hz screen, though of course, I will have Ken upgrading the primary NVMe storage, secondary storage, and system DDR4. My reading suggest 'out-of-the-box' RTX 2080 desktop GPU performance should be on-par 1080 SLi performance, and with the 144hz screen (and G-Sync), most all game frame rates should be smooth as silk. Overall, I believe this will be the closest offering yet, to a true mobile DTR, and I anticipate GPU temps will be awesome. I think under FireStrike benchmark loads, the i9 CPU temps will be a bit toasty, probably low-90's, but nothing a thermal re-paste, an under-volt, or fan profile/firmware tweaks can't resolve....but I think none of this will be necessary for general gaming loads, and I predict all the while, the system will be fairly quiet.

I can't wait to run this monster through the benchmarks, and try-out my fav FPS's! SOON FOLKS!

All of this said, I don't think I will have any problem whatsoever, retiring my GT83....which will probably be my last SLi notebook, least for a while.

 

I look forward to your review/input, I am interested in how the RTX 2080 full performs, and if I get the GS I can compare it to see how much I am loosing in performance for portabilty.

The GT8X was a great machine, even if niche. Too bad that market trends will basically retire our good old monster, but I have very pleasant memories of my GT80 monster.

I believe the GT75 is currently the best. It has all the bells and whistles, cooling, performance, mechanical keyboard, ports etc. I do think that it wont be as loud during gaming unless you really push the system and overclock it. Even my GT73 was far more silent than my GT80 even if both were similar when using max fans.

You are going to be the first owner of the GT75 huh? when will you get it? I can also compare it with my good old overclocked GTX1080 to see how far I am left behind I can promise my GPU will put up a good fight

 

So you have decided on the GS75? I too am curious how the 2080 Max-Q will fair against the desktop GPU. The GS75 is definitely sleek and slim....love the keyboard, trackpad, no-flex, slim power brick, gold accents and hinges....I like!

Well, I should be one of the first to get the new GT75-013, but I haven't made up my mind if I want Ken to upgrade it now, causing some delay in arrival, or do the upgrades later. As to your OC'ed 1080, out of curiosity, what is your latest FireStrike score (and temps)? Please post a screenshot.... As you know, I initially like to post benchmarks with stock settings to demonstrate what can be expected 'out-of-the-box'. If my calculations are correct, I am thinking the new 2080 will best my stock GT83 SLi FireStrike score....or thereabouts....pretty awesome for a single-GPU solution, and should game buttery smooth. Can't WAIT! Argggh, this is kill'in me!

We shall see soon!

 

Forgot to ask, when will the laptop be released?

 

29th

 

I was still fumbling between GT and GS, but once I saw GE as per many user's suggestions, I am now between GE and GS75. But leaning forward to GS75 due to the design and because last year and this year I haven't gamed as much as to worry about the max performance as long as I get good performance. I like my current GT73 performance and I think the Gs75 might match it but with a much more portable/slimmer profile, not to mention better battery life.

Plus later down the road I might give my wife the Gs75 when I buy a new machine later, and I am sure she would prefer the GS over the gamer GE or even GT. She had a GT73 like me (1070 version) that I got trading my GT80, but she wasn't into laptops as much and less for such a huge machine, that right now I am building a desktop for her. So, naturally she didn't want my GT73 so I might sell it, and get a GS75.

As for scores, my fastest ever score, it's been a while since I ran it but its this one (which I flaunt in my sig )

If the graphics driver invalidity worries you, I have an older, bit slower but similar GPU score here

Since we are coming from quad core CPUs, and the new machines are 6 cores, plus new GPU, I bet even your new machine on stock will be faster than my fastest OC haha.

 

It will be interesting to compare GE with RTX2080 and GT, both of the gaming laptops with proper cooling.

 

What's going to happen to your GT73VR and /or GTX 1080?

 

GE all the way, paying a premium for a neutered 2080 just doesn’t seem right. Even if its “slim”.

 

It will live on in my memories and my review but joking aside, at first, nothing. Depending on how much I like/use whatever I end up buying, I might end up selling it. I have a couple of coworkers and friends interested in my machine

It has served me well, and it currently holds my #1 spot for best laptop I have bought, with my GX660R being the second place.

In a way, all RTX2080s are neutered. The GS is just neutered and then choked a bit more hahaha. I know what you mean though. and it's one of my issues with some intel CPUs as well, particularly in machines that can't even cool older quad cores haha.

But really, with the use I have for my machines lately, the GS as is would totally work for me. But we will see. I can tell you the GE looks fantastic, and before I really looked into the series, I was probably dismissing it as being a cheaper gaming option, but I just noticed it really is a premium machine. If the cooling is robust enough, the GE series might steal the thunder from both GS and GT current users that want a midway compromise between full performance and portability. It is the happy medium.

And if I get bored, perhas we could try "unneuter" the Max Q into normal, and watch the GS burst into flames along with the PSU

 

Very true, I will just use it for gaming. I was also looking at the GS75 but I figured I should just get the regular 2080. GS75 is still surely a good choice. Those gold hinges though

 

Funny enough, I like those hahaha. It reminds me of my GT80 that came with golden WASD keys. I actually still have my keys

I do like the black/gold combo in general. Those two colors complement each other. Just as I like the black/red combo accents in several MSI laptops, particularly the exhausts.

What I am not very fan of is RGB lights. But those can be turned off

 

I really like the black/gold just not on the hinges lol

 

I want to see the guts of this beast .....

 

i was told by some rumor that there will be a GT76 with desktop LGA slot around march.

 

Well they do have the W series with desktop CPU. Maybe they will turn the GT series into the desktop CPU laptop again? It would be great.

 

Wouldn't surprise me at all. They already have the WT75 which just lacks the mechanical keyboard and supplemental GPU connector. I am sure with the Alienware Area 51m they want to offer a similar model.

 

MSI has priced the GT75 so expensively, I'm not sure where an even higher tier machine will fit into the market. If this rumored GT76 flat out replaces the GT75 I suppose it will make more sense.

 

might be to replace GT80/83 series due to removal of SLI. Anyways no promises, just a rumor.

 

How credible are your sauces? Do you trust this to be a real development?

 

i would say 50/50. i do believe a LGA version of GTXX might be coming though.

 

GenTech review up

 

Poor processor...sweating...

 

Hey Guys, new MSI GT75 w/RTX 2080 unboxing video....benchmarks reveal!

Enjoy!


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This is inline with videos. A stock no overclock or os mods or nv tweaks.

 

The Gt75 is sue a beast. The RTX2080 is around 35% faster than the stock laptop version of the GTX1080 in time spy, and around 25% on firestrike. Impressive GPU and a nice bump vs the GTX1080.

thanks everyone for the videos and benches

 

An overclock GTX 1080 can almost get 22,000 in FS, close to stock RTX 2080.

 

No, don't compare overall scores ever, always use individual scores, meaning the GPU and the CPU scores.

an overclocked GTX1080 at 2ghz scores around 24k GPU in firestrike, while a stock RTX2080 is scoring 26k. so stock is already 10% faster than overclocked GTX1080.

Also for Timespy, the RTX score 10k, while my 2ghz GTX1080 scored 7700. That's a jump of 30% in score over my already overclocked GPU to a stock new RTX.

 

I want to see the disassembly to check out the gpu module .... curious

 

Check the videos posted, they do show it. Man the GT75 is even thicker than my GT73.

 

Huh, the prices announced here are hideous - €4700 - that's 2000 more than what I paid for my GT73 VR 7rf.

 

Looks like the price premium over desktops has passed to laptops as well ;(