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is it also possible to exchange a 4k panel to fhd 120 hz panel? if yes, which panel should i use?

 

Great idea! even though its crappy 1.2w/mk pads. those green pads are still cool to touch and useful under the m2 drives...nice one...

or cut them into shapes, like putting on cooling mask and cucumber slices on your eyes

 

mine has the same problem the very 1st cpu fan - but it still works even though the 20C image stays. it also affects my silent mode app as well.

some sort of graphical glitch? but functional for me. doesn't work for you? try sliding it all the way up and see if your fans will spin 5000rpm max. (remember to click on save).

once u know its working. set yourself back to 20 (or press default). use the mouse click on it, and now use the up and down arrow keys. in this case up arrow key.

Lets say u start at 20. u want to be at 30. just count to 10 on each press of the 'up' arrow key. if you want to be 35, then 15 up key presses....easy.

 

thanks! i'll order some grizzly minus 8 pads at 1.5mm

http://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/13-minus-pad-8-en

those 11,14,17 w/mk fujipoly's are quite expensive. especially the 17s! same with alphacool 17w/mk. users swear its worth every dollar....

 

your display is not fairing very well Atma....did u try the rubbing method?

I found out if i left my screen opened just a 1/4 of the way. like a clam shell shape and left it alone for few hours, upon returning my side bezel gaps gets more bigger and worse!...every single time i use the laptop, i have to check left and right and give the size bezel a squeeze. this habit is really getting to me....one of these days!

 

wow didn't know u made a review. thats awesome. will find the time to read it!

whats this trade in? is this msi special thing or for certain reseller? so in future gt73vr also has trade in?

 

Wow you have won the silicon lottery! the top firestrike score too! thats awesome.

was it like 1.5volts @ 4.4ghz? my won't even boot at 4.3....

 

It will be great if you can read it and give me some feedback!

The trade-in program is a program developed by MSI to address the lack of Upgrade MXM modules for Maxwell/Kepler based GPUs on GT72 and GT80 laptops. These laptops were marketed with the capability to be upgradeable thanks to MXM. Once nVidia released Pascal, it turns out that the current GT72 and GT80 owners would not be able to upgrade their GPUs, because MSI said that the new Pascal chips were too much of an improvement to the point their current machines were not exactly capable of handling the 1070 and 1080 due to thermals and extra power needed. Additionally, nvidia made the 1060 to be unable to SLI, so it limited the upgrade of GT80 level owners to be either GTX1070 SLI or better, which resulted in serious power issues and possibly thermals. This is why the new GT83 (and SLI GT73 variants) ship with dual PSU now, because they needed more power than previous gens.

Anyways, MSI created the program so that users can participate in the trade in, so you give your laptop and XXX$ money to trade up or down to GT72/73 or 83 variations. These same users can also instead wait it out and participate on the program for the next gen nvidia GPUs.

We are not sure these new GT73/83 laptops will have a trade in program. Hopefully they already addressed any issue that prevented previous gen, so we can get proper GPU upgrades this time. One thing for sure is that the new GT73 has vastly improved cooling, to the point I can see why the GT80 needed a serious revamp like the GT83.

 

Nah, more like 1.4v which is still fairly high. Personally I use my machine currently at 4.1 and debating myself if I should drop to 4.0 as I can also drop the voltage a lot.

 

Yes, it didn't work. It's just a tiny green dot that I only noticed using the light bleed test so it really isn't noticeable under normal circumstances.

I just wonder what's going to happen next.

 

every time there are these bad reports.....i am just looking at my laptop and know it will be the same for me....not good!

i still want to be a dead pixel virgin~ please.....

 

Clean win10 install. you are barely in 60 secs....can you even run benchmarks? like FS. timespy. uni heaven window mode in the background even? check your power settings. high performance. go in advance put everything on high no power saving stuff....

that end part sounds even like a bad hard drive...

 

4.2? why not? + eco mode

let me know your findings advice as to your reasons. free performance is free...im 4.2 all the way

 

Monitor Name N173HHE-G32

http://www.ebay.com/itm/N173HHE-G32...547224?hash=item2a72141d18:g:7rcAAOSwNRdX5aAY

 

These are the settings I can run at.

At 4.0ghz @ -30mv pw:68w
4.1Ghz @+15mv pw 74w
4.2Ghz@ +100mv (I havent fully tested stability at lower mv, only up to 60mv and was crashing)

So for each 100mhz increase I have to incurr a larger power draw and thus more temperature to handle. Granted temps are not curretly an issue, but wasting so much extra power for so little performance gain does not sit well with me.

 

That is a clean install. Only think I have done is updated GPU drivers and installed DOOM.

This is what gets me, the laptop will run benchmarks all day long. I have tried 3dMark, Furmark and Heaven, all of which it absolutely smashes.

Checked power settings, nothing out of the ordinary there.

What do you mean bad HDD? Its got x2 SSD's running RAID0.

 

So what are the highest stable clocks you guys have achieved with the GTX 10700?

Also, are you using the Dragon Center for overclocking, or a different tool?

 

Anything above 1.35 is a nono for everyday use, I wouldn't recommend it.



Here is 4K screen from ebay you can try upgrading the GT73VR to: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4K-UHD-17-3...035375?hash=item1ebda9b7ef:g:Y9EAAOSwNRdX-RGK


I believe someone here posted a 40 pin display cable picture for the GT73 FHD 120Hz, if so, the 4K listed above will be PnP for your GT73.

I recommend just getting svet's bios, upping the power limit and current limit on the bios. In the OS you should use throttlestop to adjust frequencies on the fly.

 

Msi afterburner, BIOS directly and intel XTU for overclocking. On BIOS i set the current and power limit as well as voltage offset for the CPU.

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Hi everyone.

A friend of mine has bought this laptop and has crash-to-desktop issues in games and 3d testing software. Something very similar to SynergyUK's crashes.

We did some tests yesterday. Had only few hours with that machine but here are some findings:

— On that particular GPU crashes are occured when clock freq. went to 1820+ MHz. We believe that those crashes are not because of temperatures, CPU clocks, 3D sync modes, RAM, VRAM, drives, game/driver issues. The only reason is too much OC'd GPU and maybe reaching voltage/power limits (which are connected to high clocks of course). We saw it very clearly on one game: works smoothly on 1817 Mhz and 100% crashes in a seconds on 1822 MHz.

— It seems that Afterfburner and Dragon center are not capable to strictly lock GPU frequency. When we'd locked GPU to 1700 MHz max in Afrerburner it actually went to ~1750 MHz and further. When we used the 'Comfort' preset in Dragon center which supposed to keep CPU and GPU on stock frequencies (without boost?), the GPU went beyond 1800 MHz. When in the 'Turbo' mode you set all the clocks on zero, the GPU goes crazy, achieves ~1870 MHz which leads to instant crash.

— I think MSI sorted out the best GPUs as they thought for this laptop but set too aggressive clocks for them (in VBIOS?). Mobile 1070 is supposed to have 1443/1645 stock/boost clocks, isn't it? So my friend now has locked clocks on 1700 MHz in Afterburner but says in some testing scenarios a GPU achieves 1744 MHz. No crashes so far today though.

There's no GPU clocks related settings in BIOS. How can we reliably lock GPU clocks?

The owner is frustrated a bit :/

 

Is it possible that the PSU is not up to the job?

I get the impression the GPU isnt getting enough juice.

EDIT:

Im pretty sure the PSU supplied with the GT73VR-6RE is only has an output of 230w.

When I switch the laptop to "turbo" it starts making a strange surging sound which can only be heard when you really listen for it. Also I noticed it causes the fans to fluctuate very slightly. See HWinfo of laptop in "turbo" mode. The draw is more than the output of the supply;



Am I wrong?

This is after a small gaming session;



Please correct me if im barking up the wrong tree here guys

PSU label;

 

It's hard to make an argument for using dragon center. There are no voltage or power options and it conflicts with other software that provides the power capability.

I'm overclocking strictly with the BIOS and Afterburner while dragon center is uninstalled. I'm using silent option for fan control instead. So far my highest firestrike graphics scores have been around 19500, which is better than many GTX1080 laptops like the Razer Blade Pro and Aorus X7.

There is a power limit in effect on the 1070 that won't let you pull too much current. This means you have to balance the GPU core and memory overclock. My best firestrike scores have come from +225 core and +300 memory. Because of the dynamic boost behavior of the card, the overclock will not stay constant at one speed. As the load and thermals vary, so will the clocks.

Keep in mind, some games really dislike the overclock more than others. While +225/+300 works great in Fallout 4 @ 1440p/75fps, Overwatch hates anything more than +150/+200 on my machine and will crash frequently if I exceed this limit. Fortunately, even stock 1070 speeds in Overwatch are sufficient to max out my 1440p/75fps display.

 

I would suggest to wait little longer till to know the size & thickness of thermal pad used on GPU

After changing the stock thermal pad with Arctic thermal pad, 2nd day today and temperature only touch 50 mostly stays at 49 and m.2 sata stays at 47....satisfactory but not excellent.

I will be planning to re-paste the GPU & CPU, any of these days....will upload the pictures and measurement of thermal pads

Thinking of a mod to install a fan on top of SSD heatsink, taking the measurements, when done will share it, so far what i know is

there is a spare fan connection on board (checked with speed fan and it says Fan3 0 RPM)
there is space to put fan on top of heat sink (need 80mm and max 10mm thickness slim fan with 4 pins connectors usually comes with GPU or pre installed inside heatsinks preferable with red led lights) searching and searching for the right one.....

Or
will buy a laptop cooler....... ....hassle free solution

 

I'm not too confident in the accuracy of the total system power consumption values. I see similar numbers in my HW info, but when I use my kill-a-watt meter, the highest number I saw was 262w from the wall. With an assumed efficiency of 80-90%, it's very close to 230w consumed. This of course is with a maxed out overclock and a synthetic load with P95 and furmark. During firestrike, I never saw it pull more than 210 from the wall which is well within the limits.

Judging by your photo, you clearly aren't running such a synthetic load, yet the total system power consumption is absurd. With only a 30-40w load on the CPU, such total system power values are impossible. Not sure what this total system power metric is measuring.

 

yeah Factory Restore Image upload is finished. inbox me for the link (will make link public when secured)

I used this USB, Sumsung 32 GB 3.0 Flash

Used this imageUSB tool to created the Image and highly suggest to use same tool to write the Image on drive. imageUSB tool is also added to the link.

The Size of Image file is 29.91GB (you must have equal or above of 29.91GB or Image file will not extract on the drive)

Zipped files Total Size is 25.3GB and Total number of Split volume files are 104 and each split volume size is 250MB

download all zip files, you will get the Factory Restore Image file. use the imageUSB tool to write the Image on USB and restore the laptop to factory default settings.

Note: I will upload all old drivers, utilities, bios and firmware version too so if anybody needs any driver or old bios / firmware version, can download it.

Only file I don't have is firmware .106, does anybody have it....?

 

yes it is low power model. mine has 16.5A

 

I have similar issues where I can bench and do stress tests just fine but games can crash (specifically as mentioned below, Overwatch) and I haven't found a test that can do both CPU and GPU 100% at the same time which would truly test the power restrictions of this laptop.

Holy cow, 19500 sounds impossible. I was thrilled to break 16k a couple times and am happy just having 15.5k right now with a stable clock. I was having big issues keeping Overwatch stable. So far 4.1 Ghz on my CPU with stock voltage and then +225 Core and +250 Memory seems to be working fine for me.

 

What specification is your machine?

Mine is configured with a 6820HK and 1070.

When you switch to turbo mode do the laptop start to make a strange noise atall. Mine seems to come from the left hand side vent. In comfort mode the noise disappears.

This is driving me insane. This machine cost 2300GBP and all its good for right now is browsing the web. Its worth mentioning that I currently on a replacement machine, the first performed in the exact same way. I really dont know what to do.

 

Make sure you're comparing to my 19500 graphics score. Yours should be around this too with +225 / +250. My best overall score is around 16k too, but with CPU at 4.2 (and way too much voltage)

The only strange noise I get when moving to turbo mode is when I let it change the fan mode with it. The fans are much more aggressive in the default settings for turbo mode. All this noise went away when uninstalling dragon center and using silent option instead with a custom profile. Is the noise you're hearing electrical buzzing, or the fan changing speed? Observe the fan RPM while listening to the noise and see if they are varying together.

 

I have 1080m. i think that is make a difference.

 

AH got you, missed that detail.

My current stable clocks I get a Graphics Score of 18750 (15534 overall): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11112048 (+225 / +250)

And my highest recorded run I had a Graphics Score of 19210 (15746 overall): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11102068

 

So we're essentially the same. My GPU stable is +225/+300, but my CPU bin kinda sucks (need +150mv for 4.2)
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11074719

 

Thought I'd chip in as I'm in the GT73 VR 6RE (1070 GTX) club with the same crashing problems. I've had it 4 days now and it's been the most disappointing experience ever after dropping over 2k on a laptop. MSI have been less than useless on the support side with the usual make sure you're drivers and firmware is up to date....

From what I can see the GPU core clock is running way to high (1900-2000mhz) in all modes but eco mode. Removing dragon center and putting on Afterburner can let you bring the clock down but its still boosting way to high! This must be a bios issue that MSI need to address and fix?

 

When I tried 4.2 Ghz I too had to apply a lot of voltage and my scores were all lower with higher temps so I am just running 4.1. I suppose I could try 4.0 with lower voltage and see if I my GPU could pull more power but I assume it would be an insignificant difference and going from 4.0 to 4.1 game me a 500 - 600 higher Fire Strike score.

 

For the folks with crashing, are you doing this with default turbo mode settings? On some machines, the default OC in turbo mode might be enough to cause certain picky games (overwatch) to crash. If you do use turbomode, go to the custom settings in DC and turn the GPU down to +0 and see if it's more stable. When I underclock in afterburner, it does limit boost clocks correctly.

I've also had a problems with the most recent Nvidia drivers too. I went back to 376.19 and it has been much more stable.

 

As I wrote in the original post about crashes 'all zero' settings in 'Turbo' mode didn't do anything, or may I say they keep boost frequency of GPU way too high. It reached ~1850+ MHz and games, 3D Mark, Furmark crashed.

I think some people have 'bad' GPUs in their laptops which can't handle default MSI's boost settings.

 

I'm not crashing but I have noticed the strange "clicking" sound coming from my left fan when in turbo mode. It goes away when I switch dragon center to comfort mode.

Any ideas what this could be?

And if I remove dragon center how would I then OC my GPU? I assume I can do the CPU in bios?

 

MSI Afterburner for GPU.

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And what happens to my fans if I remove dragon center? Do they run at full blast or is there some fan curve settings in bios as well?

 

nothing will happen to fans if you uninstall dragon center, dragon center is a one of tool to control the fan speed (not to start or stop fans) along with many other OC and system options and all laptops has sensors which detects the temp of CPU/GPU and fan works according to those sensers, if temp goes up / down, fan speed increase / decrease accordingly.

so bottom line uninstalling the DGC will not make your laptop fans stop at all or spin them at full speed.

 

This is probably the wrong place for this .. im trying to figure out which to get gt73vr with 1080 128gb ssd 130hz screen or Alienware 17r4 with 1080 512gb ssd 1440 120hz. I would be getting them for about the same price .


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No, this is the right place to ask and @Mobius 1 can answer your question and till then to kill the wait, read this thread.

 

I just read through that post .. made me more confused lol .. sounds like the might have hinder the gtx 1080 performance a little bit ..


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Did you try going back to the driver 373.06? That's the last stable one before all the recent problems with Nvidia drivers.
http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/108324

It's pretty darned unusual to get 2 bad GPU's in a row, but you are demonstrating that's the case.

I would return this one too and buy from another vendor, to make sure you don't get another one from that bad GPU batch.

Unusual situations like this are off-putting, but if you are sure your setup and methodology for testing is accurate, you need to proceed with faith in your testing. It's good to verify your methodology with another model/brand to make sure it's the machine and not the test setup.

Sometimes the odds aren't in your favor

 

Thanks for the response.

I have tried a number of drivers. I have tried clean installs, underclocks, different control center settings, in all I have tried everything I possibly can. Unfortunately there seems to be an awful lot of people with similar models having the same issue. This is putting me off buying this machine again which really annoys me because it ticks every box not to mention it is rated one of the best 17" gaming laptops money can buy right now (notebook check).

I may do as you said and buy from a different supplier. If that doesn't work then i really don't know what to do because other makes have even bigger drawbacks with regards to thermal performance and features.

 

The 17R4 will have advantage of
-Better warranty support
-Optional 4 year warranty w/ accidental
-Smaller form factor
-Larger userbase
-Easier resale due to brand name
-Bigger battery (does not mean better battery life, some models do not support optimus)
-Opening machine does not void warranty

The GT73 will have the advantage of
-Better cooling
-Much easier maintenance
-iGPU mode on all models to save battery when needed
-2 more ram slot
-Better overclocking though SVET + bios reset switch if needed
-Higher TDP on GPU (1080 = 180w) vs the Alienware 17 slightly lower TDP on GPU (~175w) [from observation the 1080 on Alienware rarely ever reaches 180w]



Give and take, neither of these machines are better than the other.

 

Will the Alienware overclock just as well .. resale is a big deal to because I'll probably only keep it a year .. 2 at most ..


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Well, you can see most people are having good results out of the box, many pages of positive posts, with few failures posted such as you are experiencing, so I wouldn't give up

 

So does anyone know exactly what comfort mode or power mode does in dragon center?

I think power mode just gives you a shortcut to the power plans but then why would it be with the OC and fan settings?

And what about comfort mode?

Comfort and power modes are the only ones that stop my CPU fan from making that noise at low rpms. I tried removing dragon center but the noise is still there.

 

Really depends on luck/silicon lottery.

But the MSi will have better provision (more bios option) to overclock.