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I just compared my original invoice number to the new invoice they attached to my order note and there's a difference of 124.. So that probably means Eurocom sold 124 laptops over a week since I put my order in.. So that should probably give a little insight to their work load.. That's quite a bit of laptops they have to get cracking on so there's your delays. And I noticed my shipping info indicates it's going to Daytona Beach, FL which is odd because I live in Jax, FL.. Hoping that's just an anomaly and changes to my city :/

 

Garry is going to hate me haha. I emailed him after I never got a shipment today and inquired about how orders were being shipped out of order placement. I actually asked for upgraded shipment for all the delays and bizarre methods. I'm sure I'll get an email tomorrow morning and it might. It not be as pleasant as his last emails but at this point I really don't care.

It will be tough for me to recommend them in the future or even place an order with them again. Sure hope this laptop arrives with no damage or defects as an RMA may surely be a nightmare.

 

Sadly, still no email here either.

The delays I can somewhat understand - it happens, especially if they are receiving more orders than expected. The thing that irks me is the idea that they may not be going in chronological order. When I placed my order several weeks ago, I was told that I was near the head of the queue, and that my system would be one of the first to be built. Apparently that did not happen =/

 

Wow man you really have something to complain to them about. Would you mind sending them an email as well. I emailed Garry over there. I would say complaints in force would get the fire lit under their ass and possibly do something for us.

 

It's average laptop headphone quality if that means anything to you.. It sounds like every single non special DAC equipped laptop.. Low power, etc.. On the GS63 with my Bose at volume 10 in Windows it was SUPER LOUD AND CLEAR.. Punchy and amazing to say the least.. On the GT62VR it takes about volume 50 to equal the loudness but it doesn't sound as punchy and the clarity isn't there.. The next best alternative is a small DAC to plug into the headphone jack from Amazon on the cheap.

 

Checked my shipment and it's moving now.. It will definitely be here on Monday (unless it's going to some other address).

 

Yeah I really truly don't even understand how my order shipped already over you and Talons.. Makes zero sense to me. How did you guys pay for your units? They said I could use Amazon or Paypal but they would pass off the fees onto me so I said no and filled out a credit card authorization form and sent it back to them.. I don't know if that makes a difference in priority on who gets a laptop but I doubt it.

 

Any chance one of you guys are in Daytona, FL? Maybe I got your Fedex tracking instead lol.

 

Haha nope.

 

I also sent Garry an email. I had to stop myself and rewrite the email in order to stay professional. Can't let myself get too mad over a laptop

I think if they still continue to give excuses, I will head over to their official youtube video on the F5 Tornado and warn people about Eurocom. Apparently Hardware Canucks will be covering this laptop, so I can leave a post there too when it comes out.

 

I do have faith our laptops will ship tomorrow but it's still annoying. The upshot is that regardless by Monday we will have our answer on the 6700k performance with the 1070.

 

If you had an unlocked 6820HK option it would also hit and hold 4.0ghz... and get about the same performance result, with about the same heat generation.

Who is it?

Can they please try their 6700K @ 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.5++ too?

The 6820HK should be good up to 4.2ghz for benchies, and 4.1ghz for day to day operation, so anything 4.3ghz and above is the 6700K beneficial realm - where it will make or break someone's decision of one over the other.

Where is the limit for power throttling or heat thermal throttling for the OC'd 6700K in this frame?

 

I think even if the 6700k only matches the 6820HK, it'll still be a win for the 6700k since the 6820HK is way more expensive. Seriously... it's criminal how much some manufacturers are charging for the 6820HK

 

@Diversion Congrats! Hope you will enjoy it. I'm enjoying mine more and more. Havn't played too many games yet on it, but those games I have played, the laptop perfomance is good.

 

Garry emailed me this morning and assured me it's shipping today. Nonmention of faster shipping haha. It was simple and short.

 

Great for you guys.
Still hesitating which CPU. According to this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9793/best-cpus i5 are enough.
According to this: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html i7t is somewhere above i7 6700hq and below i7 6800hk but with a TDP of 35W, so less heat and less noise...
choice... Tempted by 6700t...
BTW, seller confirm to me that it is TB3.

 

The 6700t is definitely a golden cpu that allows for I believe 3200mhz on all cores or maybe 3300mhz at a lower tdp.. i almost got it for mine but didn't seem worth it if you're trying to go faster than a 6700hq.

 

The 6820HK is cheaper than the 6920HQ, pretty much the only alternative for the higher end models with laptop CPU's.

The 6700k and 6820hk aren't available in the same machines, they come in different motherboard / chipsets / builds. No direct comparison.

If you are talking about the 6700HQ vs 6820HK, the cost difference usually includes differing RAM, Storage, Display, GPU and other options - it's hard to compare cost directly there too.

The Intel 1000 qty price for the 6700HQ and 6820HK are the same, $378.
http://ark.intel.com/compare/88972,88967,88195,88191,88969

 

My hesitation goes between MSI barebone and official model. So between LGA/BGA CPU available in those machine. I'm not a OCing guy nor looking for top notch perf. So was thinking about the 6700t as perf seems equal to what ever BGA CPU but wit lower TDP so less heat and less noise (other things equal).

 

Same, a very unapologetic and (possibly) automated response. At the very least, an explanation of why they've repeatedly delayed my order would have been nice.

 

It's an interesting test, it's lower TDP sustained power @ 35w so performance should be less than the 6700HQ 45w CPU, and a little better than 1/3 the power of the 6700k.

I think, if you are worried about heat, I wouldn't, unless you are in a high temperature environment - high ambient temperature.

The balanced option, between the 3, would be the 6600k 4 core without Hyperthreading.

Most games (99.99%) only use up to 4 cores, with little benefit seen from Hyperthreaded cores, so I think of all the choices the 6600k would be best.

The 6700k can also have the HT cores disabled via BIOS, if the BIOS supports it, which means you could get a 6700k and treat/tune it like a 6600k as well.

Just some details for thought

 

I agree, if your budget allows it, the 6700K will give you the most options. If you do not want to overclock, I would say the 6600K is not worth it.

 

You mean the 6700k is not worth it? Or both? Cause both overclock, and the 6700k costs more than the 6600k

So if not either of those, which CPU would you choose to put in the socket, or would you go with the soldered version direct from MSI?

 

I'm not sure I interpret well the result but if I look here ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html) and compare 6700t with 6700k result are on avergage 20% lower (but with a huge difference in TDP). Anandtech ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/9793/best-cpus) says i5-6600 and i5-660k are the sweet spot. My concern is noise. I don't really play AAA title (mainly strategy game except games like X-Com)
I know I7-6700k is the "better". What I'm looking is the best bet for my needs (not really a matter of $). Sorry for the stupid question, but what (a part wattage) produce the heat?
Thanks
[my desktop cpu is currently i5-4670 k and I'am happy with that, my current laptop i7-3632QM but some times it's struggle]

 

For the 6600k it has a TDP "limit" set the same as the 6700k, but with the Hyperthreading cores disabled permanently, it should draw less power for the same work load.

As the CPU performs work, it draws power based on what "circuits" are powered and running at "clock speed", so the higher the clock - the more "cycles per second" the "circuit's" cycle the more power is used and the more potential for radiated heat converting inefficiencies to waste heat.

Or, something like that

With less TDP limit, a CPU can't "reach" higher cycle rates on as many "circuits" and therefore is limited to the amount of "work" it can do - less performance for same time measurement - and therefore generates less waste heat.

The i5-6700(k) is the sweet spot because it has a wide range of operation - if you include the OC'able 'k' model - and can do as much work as most applications need, single core or 4 core, as most apps at best only benefit from about 12% more performance generated from the HT cores - it can be more but it can also be a negative amount for some work as well.

I always disable my HT cores on desktop, it's available to do so in the BIOS, but in a laptop, you kinda gotta fake it with Windows level Affinity settings - uncheck the "odd" or "even" cores so they don't get assigned work - and that works surprisingly well - do it for the Steam processes and any game started inherit the 4 core only Affinity.

The $ savings between the 6600k and 6700k don't really count for much, with a $2k+ laptop $60 doesn't go far. Plus you can usually negotiate with the seller and that difference winds up lost in the discount.

 

If you went barebones with the 6700T you should technically have a colder running machine than the BGA version. And it will be slightly faster because the 6700T holds higher turbo clocks.

 

Where is the official info on what the 6700T can do when all 4 cores are loaded? We know the 6700HQ does 3.1ghz but I haven't been able to find any reviews for the 6700T :/

 

IDK, it's not a well documented CPU, but I would guess as the TDP power is about 27% less that the sustained performance based on power throttling would be the same, 27% less.

Does the 6700HQ really only sustain 3.1ghz? Can it be undervolted? I was able to get 3.5ghz sustained @47w/45w on other CPU's, with over -100mV undervolts, so I would think the 6700HQ would be able to do the same.

The performance for the 6700T couldn't be higher than the 6700HQ sustained, and the brief Turbo's wouldn't really make an appreciable difference. I think the 6700T is a good candidate for a Windows tablet solution.

 

Here are benchmarks I could find with a simple Google-Fu seach:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700T+@+2.80GHz
http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/Intel+Core+i7-6700T+Processor/review

 

Wikipedia says the boost table for the 6700T is 3.6/3.5/3.4, but I have no idea how they got that.

 

The question was, what is the sustained clock rate for the 6700T, and I haven't seen anything listed with that.

Can you please put together a Passmark comparison of all the CPU's I put into that earlier URL comparison?

 

The question is, after the boost timeout, what is the sustained clock rate for the 6700T, all 4 cores set to the same frequency.

The 45w/47w CPU's I have tested, with maximum undervolt at best sustained frequency, was 3.5ghz.

The 6700k/6600k can do up to 4.5ghz+ sustained if the power and cooling are strong enough.

 

Passmark will only let me compare 3 processors at a time:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2614&cmp[]=2565&cmp[]=2570
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2586&cmp[]=2614&cmp[]=2659

"I forget Waffle." -Boris

 

The 6700HQ in the GT62VR actually throttles if you don't undervolt it and not based on thermal throttling.. just power limit reasons. And it's locked at 3.1ghz and never drops below.. The turbo time limit is unlocked at least.. When undervolted, my CPU wattage at 3.1ghz sustain is about 35 watts tops. On stock it hits over 55 watts before it starts to throttle down to base 2.6-2.7ghz clocks.

I would think the 6700T could also hold and sustain turbo easily always unless it had a power deficiency. The important thing is if the 6700T can do 3.2 or 3.3ghz under load.. Which would make it faster than the 6700HQ since it's hardcoded to 3.1ghz. The 6700T may have a higher hardcoded limit.

I was able to source benchmarks which show the 6700T being about 10% faster than the 6700HQ so it's my assumption it can probably sustain 3.2ghz or 3.3ghz.

 

This was the benchmarks i was referring to.. 6700T is faster than 6700HQ despite the power requirements and TDP thresholds.

Their 6700HQ in their test could have throttled back due to Power Limit Throttling though.

 

Isn't boost time out only used if the processor is using more than baseline TDP? An undervolt allows a processor to use a boost speed forever as long you're able to keep wattage below the rated TDP.

With the exception of maybe K processors.. as my desktop 4790k will pull 100+ watts at 4.4ghz (stock clocks) and just always hold it while never downclocking to the 4ghz base clock.

 

IDK if it helps much, the Passmark score follows clock rate, so if all the CPU's were clocked the same the performance would be the same per core.

The user reports are skewing the numbers a bit as they are at a wide range of clock rates.

The 4 core vs 8 core score difference is all due to HT being on, so that makes the 6700T look better performing than the 6600k, which it isn't by single core score.

Again, the question was what clock rate will the 6700T hold @ it's 35w limit, the rest isn't relevant...

 

The undervolt will let you tilt the table, so to speak, but not by much, maybe .5-.75ghz difference for me. I was able to get 3.55ghz sustained vs just under 3.5ghz...

 

I know, that's what i'm trying to find out.. is what clock speed it holds at 35watt TDP.. Which is my guess of 3.2, 3.3 or 3.4ghz. Which is why in multicore benches it beats the 6700HQ because of it's 3.1ghz at 47 watts.

 

3.5ghz on what CPU though? I was able to set my multipliers to 35 on the 6700HQ and even though my wattage is VERY LOW under load it still won't go past 3.1ghz. Whereas on my older Haswell laptop CPUs you could undervolt enough to get more speed under load. I only care about sustain speeds in a CPU since I do a lot of multiple hour long video encodes where I benefit in saving time with sustained clocks under max load.

 

Yeah, that's why I keep redirecting these benchmark quotes back to your original question

Can you please provide evidence that the 6700HQ really only sustains 3.1ghz with undervolt, cause it should be more than that.

 

4700HQ, 4710HQ, 4720HQ, 5700HQ, 5950HQ, all did 3.5ghz between my testing and others on Asus and MSI laptops, as long as Optimus isn't enabled

 

How is it more than 3.1ghz under 4 core load? It will do up to 3.6 with 1 core loaded.. and in between 3.1 and 3.6 when 2 and 3 cores are loaded. It's Intel specified to be a 3.1ghz at 4 cores.. It just can't do more. Even though I can set the multipliers to 4 core speed to 3.6, it doesn't care and still remains at 3.1.

 

I know, I share the same experience on older CPUs in laptops but it would appear Intel has completely locked down the 6700HQ this time. 3.1ghz is all it will do, i've tried everything. And it's not a power limit or temperature issue.. I only run at like 60c under max load at 35watts.. It's not even trying to draw more power.

 

From Notebookcheck:
The Intel Core i7-6700HQ is a quad-core processor based on the Skylake architecture, that has been launched in September 2015. In addition to four CPU cores with Hyper-Threading clocked at 2.6 - 3.5 GHz (4 cores: max. 3.1 GHz, 2 cores: max. 3.3 GHz), the chip also integrates an HD Graphics 530 GPU and a dual-channel DDR4-2133/DDR3L-1600 memory controller. The CPU is manufactured using a 14 nm process with FinFET transistors.

It also notes 3.1ghz is the max operating speed with 4 core loads. Which normally can be upped a bit on older CPUs but this time it seems they locked it to 3.1ghz.

 

Boost timeout happens when it times out... time wise, not TDP wise.

Under full boost, you exceed the 45w limit - as much as allowed by power limit - then after the boost "times-out" you are limited to sustained 45w - or rated TDP of CPU.

The 67ooT would be limited by 27% less sustained power, which would make it run much slower.

 

So then why does my factory 4790K never run out of boost? Do K series not have a time out for boost?

Also my 6700HQ when undervolted doesn't run out of boost time either..

 

Update on my Eurocom order! They offered to upgrade my shipping speed... but only if I was willing to shell out another $70. I told them to sod off (in a nicer way).

 

I haven't used the 6700HQ, so I wasn't aware of that 4x limit, in that case yes, you would be limited to whatever the max 4 core limit is set to. Did you actually try this?

For the 6700T, without core speed limit, it's still not going to exceed it's power limit, so if 3.5ghz is limit at 45w, then I would estimate the 6700T maximum sustained limit would be 27% less, or about 2.7ghz.

 

That makes no sense.. being i'm getting my unit on Monday and it's literally nothing special about my build.. Unless your unit has something extra they are out of stock on? I went as barebones as I could.. But then Talon should have gotten his by tomorrow or also Monday and no word on his..