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Well. That very sounds complicated. I guess I could give it a shot... Pretty stupid we need to go through **** like this on a brand new machine. And what's this DDU this guy is talking about?

 

My GE75's monitor seems to have inverse ghosting image problem.
Here are my GE75's screen capture, tested by this site: https://testufo.com/ghosting




There is a bit inverse ghosting image when the monitor use 144Hz refresh rate. It become very noticeable when the monitor use 60Hz.
Is there anything can do with it? Or is it my monitor hardware issue?

 

That´s sad to know, yes we are protected by laws atleast in Portugal. Not sure how it works but u made a good point. I did research the website and yes u are right, they mostly don´t update the website/drivers. I hope they do release a new BIOS and FC. I send every weak the same email asking "How its going"... but I kinda regred to buy this RTX series. I had aGTX 1070 in the past and I had better perfomance (not much) in some games. This shutter yes causes only if Im using a external monitor via HDMI but still its frustrating... The store where I did buy mine told me to buy a 144Hz monitor with Displayport and that should fix it, instante, to fix it, I have to play lockec V-Sync most games in order to run smooth, sure, 50% Im at home so I use connected to my 24" monitor, sadly, I get alote shutter and fps drops!

I wish they did care more about us, its not only 1000€, its almost 2400€ in my case and now prices already droped like hell...

I ment Intel iGPU. Sorry!
Yes I did add 1.000V on CPU Core Voltage, it gives more stability.

Same problem here, the only way u get ride of the yellow and red things like PL1 or PL2 is to low ur clock to 3.4GHz. Thats the sweet spot for the power consumption at 100% and no Power Throttle, but again most games won´t use 100% so u can go up to 3.8GHz. Never mind those yellow things, most games wont use more then 50W of ur CPU. It power limites if u get over 52 or more W I guess...

CPU Cache is the most importante undervolte u can do, but u can also get BSOD (Blue Screen), if so, get it higher... u can get lower even on CPU Core voltage, but again, u need to test it. I did go all the way to -180mV but sometimes when unplugging my laptop I got BSOD.

I don´t know why u say that but I heard already ppl saying DC causes something, I tryed with and without it and its the same thing. So its safe to say, they should use it, otherwise they won´t get 100% functions of their laptop like USB LED and so one... even ventilation is great using it by costum. U have silent option but its the same thing.

 

Oh bro,
I got bigger issues then u...

 

How is that a bigger issue? I don't see any inverse ghosting in your images.

@ckli130126 I have the exact same problem


The 144hz is already kinda bad, but the 60hz is absolutely unbearable. It makes playing games at 60fps unbearable. I don't know if it's fixable. Theoretically the monitor's overdrive could be turned down, but I don't know if it can be done with a firmware update.

I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in this laptop. The CPU performance is not great, the monitor has issues, it has a slight coil whine and I believe MSI picked the loudest HDD they could find, because the murmur it does is the worst I have heard in a long time.

Here's an image from Sekiro, while I'm moving the camera:

 

It sucks this is happening on this model too, I see it on my 2019 GT75 as well.

Hopefully more people will complain to MSI and they’ll have to acknowledge the problem with the panels they are using. It looks terrible, I’d take the extra few ms in latency vs this.

 

From my research it seems this is quite common with recent high framerate AUO panels and it keeps happening.

It doesn't help that review sites give glowing reviews to laptops that have this issue.

I've opened a ticket with MSI but I don't expect much. Wish I could get a refund.

 

if you want to get rid of the pl1 and pl2 you can also go into the bios and set it so that it reads lower than it actually is as pl1 and pl2 are both the locks in the bios that cause you to throttle, mine runs at 4.0ghz when im doing anything cpu intensive and 4.0-3.9 when gaming, there is no need to set it so low unless you just want to lower temps and dont need the cpu power ( also great for gaming ).

 

Back to the top of the timespy leaderboard. no mods, no repasting, 100% stock as it came with only some throttle stop tweaks and some afterburner overclocks.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/35032901?

 

@vidaporvida_ can you please explain what adding 1V to the cpu voltage does? How does that impact the undervolting?

 

Could other people also try the ufo test and let us know? https://testufo.com/ghosting

Switch the monitor to 60hz first. Then do the ghosting test and see if there is any inverse ghosting/overdrive overshoot.

Please also let us know if you have the AUO panel or the Chi Mei panel. I have a suspicion it's only the AUO that is this horrible.

 

Would it make more sense to just run 144hz but lock the FPS to 72? Why would you run in 60hz mode?

 

A lot of games run at 60fps max.

For example, Sekiro.

And it's still bad at 144hz, it's just not unusably bad at 144hz, it's just pretty bad.

 

Just out of curiosity, what mhz is your 2070 averaging while playing Apex Legends?

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Me? I didn't check, why?

 

Just want to make sure mine is running up to pat after undervolt. I average between 1800 and 1900 with medium settings.

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https://lmgtfy.com/?q=ddu

 

Sorry for the backpost; do you know offhand what panel that 144hz GE63 uses?

 

I would absolutely RMA that...

How do you tell which panel you have? I don't see any ghosting on my GE75 with a 2080.

 

I have the GE63 8SG. Panel is AUO71ED. tested and I don't see any ghosting.

 

You can download the trial version of AIDA64 Extreme, go to Display -> Monitor and there you can see the model.

Mine is AUO409D. From my understanding so far, the AUO panel exhibits this issue, while the Chi Mei panel (which some GE75s have) is fine.

I'm scared of RMAing things in my country. It has never ended well for me.

 

AUO071ED. Good contrast although not that bright. Beastly cooling though.

 

Was testing my GS75, I also see inverse ghosting on this panel, model name: CMN175C. It's not that noticeable at 144hz at all, but it is noticeable at 60hz.

 

Hi everybody,

I own an Asus G752 with i7 7700HQ and GTX1070. I got it for almost 2 years now and I want to change it.

The thing is, The G752 is really quiet for a laptop. Ok, I want something more powerfull but I don't want a Airbus in my living room.

I read reviews on the GE75 with the 2080 and it seems making a lot of noise. I mean, when I'm alone I can play with headset but when I play games on my TV I want to be able to enjoy it without too much noise.

So I want to know how is Nvidia Whispermode with this laptop. I know it reduce FPS but if I play on my TV it's alright because it's a cheap one with 60Hz. If I can reduce the fans noise with this I would probably buy this laptop. otherwise, the Lenovo Y740 with the 2080 max-q seems a good choice too.

Thanks for your help

 

The fans themselves are actually very quiet, you really only hear the sound of the air moving, which is still noticeable under full load, but it's far quieter than my Sager; repasting and throttlestop can reduce the need for the airflow; any machine you get with an i7 8750h is going to require a good amount of cooling, the processor generates far more heat that the 2080.

I'll try whisper mode later and report back how much difference it makes.

 

You can tweak your fan profile and also I would recommend limiting your clocks for both CPU and GPU, which will result in cool, quiet performance.

 

@knibbler newish owner here, a few pages back you mentioned undervolting the GPU (assuming nvidia, not igpu) to get better overclocks. That's about all I have left, I've run the WholeHam bios mods and am running at 65W, I honestly have very few complaints (unlike others here). I've got it hooked up to a 34" and 24" external monitors as a desktop replacement and it runs great (a little loud.. but working on that now with silentoption). Could you advise on how best to undervolt the GPU and get a little more OC out of it?

I don't think my performance is bad by any means, my best timespy atm is 9904 ( https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6703146) which put me in the top 20 runs and top 5 users last I checked, but I'll squeeze every drop I can out of this thing. Did the repaste myself, running just on paste though not LM, so I could probably squeeze a couple points out of that too.

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks for all the advice in this thread from everyone it's been a great resource.

Oh also - never saw this mentioned, but G-SYNC DOES work with external monitors - just not the integrated one. That was a very pleasant surprise, I was told it did not!

 

As far as the voltage curve..there are many videos showing it. An easy way is pick a voltage..bring it up to a frequency..hit control + L. Then the apply button in MSI afterburner. evga has a app for this too.
At 1080p..on the laptop screen you can pull a higher frequency and still average under 150watts. Something like .900 volts @1920 mhz...run it for a while in game. Then check your average watts pulled in gpu power. Compare that to your average frequency. You may be able to hit 1920mhz 99 % of the time. Great fps. Deoends on the game and tolerances of your particar 2080. When the power drawn goes over 150watts the clocks will go down. The whole point is to try and avoid that at the highest clock possible.

At 1440p on a monitor you may only be able to sustain 1800mhz @ .850 volts because of the overall power draw.

A good undervolt can be better than hitting 1950mhz for brief moments but averaging in the 1600's most of the time at stock.

Also. Many may argue this but raising the memory frequency will increase the overall power draw and bring you closer to 150 watts. Testing this is easy. Once youve established a comfortable undervolt on the gpu, and you are familiar with your average frequencies sustained on a given game....add +400mhz to the gpu memory and see if your average gpu clock frequencies go down. It may still be worth doing if your fps go up.
I used to suck at this stuff only a few years ago. Youll be a pro in no time!

 

@knibbler This is a stupid question but I can't even change voltage in Afterburner, is there some trick to it or a different app people are using?

 

Finally!

MSI has released a new version of EC Firmware https://www.msi.com//Laptop/support/GE75-Raider-8SG#down-firmware

There is only one line in the list of changes:
> 1.adjust power limit parameter.

Most likely, they raised the consumption limit for the CPU, and in all tests, the CPU does not perform well due to the 45W limit.

Has anyone already tried the new firmware? I wonder how much they raised the limit and whether they did it at all.

 

does anyone have the intel management engine driver? I for some reason am not able to get it from MSI website. The download file does not seem to have an installation file.

 

you install it directly through device manager, also you can also upgrade your firmware through device manager. back in mid march i yolo'd and it worked lol

 

Do you know which device I need to select to update?

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I did Device manager > system devices > intel management interface engine .

Also unrelated but out of boredom at work I checked for updates on all the devices under System by right clicking and checking, and it updated a few like PCI controllers. (I dont let windowsupdate update my drivers). doing this stabilized my frametime in some games like Overwatch and Apex

 

Great thank you, I will try this.

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I'm pulling my hair out and need some serious help. I've done my due diligence and searched YouTube, this forum, and other references for all possible tweaks and solutions and nothing helps. In desperation, I'm posting here and hoping someone can help.

I have a GE75 Raider 8SG (RTX 2080, i7-8750H, 16 GB RAM, 500 GB SDD, 1 TB HDD). I purchased it in early/mid February. I'm in Canada.

I have used Intel XTU and ThrottleStop to undervolt core and cache (stable at -150 mV each), iGPU at -75 mV, and MSI afterburner to overclock GPU (+175 MHz GPU, +500 MHz memory). My synthetic graphical benches are great - 19800 FireStrike. Synthetic CPU is meh... ~ 1100 in CineBench 15. My CPU temperatures are crazy, idling 0% utilization at 55-65 degrees and hitting 97-99 in any game, resulting in thermal throttling. GPU will max out around 80 degrees. Battery drains slightly while playing games. Is this a thermal issue? Power issue? Is it just a lemon?

This is my issue: reviews (of stock systems) show framerates in Far Cry 5, GTA V, BFV, and others in the 90+ range, yet I average around 60 in all of those games, sometimes dropping into the mid-40s which is absolutely unacceptable. At the same time, it shows GPU utilization below 70% and CPU below 50%. I'm so frustrated - I've pushed my underclocks to BSOD until I found the absolute max I can get. I run turbo fans at all times to try to keep it under control. I have repasted, but nothing changed from stock paste to the junk Corsair paste I put on it. I feel like even if I used better paste, it's not going to result in a drastic temperature drop.

All drivers are up to date. I flashed the BIOS yesterday with the January version, though I see today that they released a new one today. Tonight I'll see if that makes any sort of a difference.

I'm getting 50-75% of the framerates I should be getting. I haven't modded the BIOS because I don't want to brick this thing. I'm going to factory reset it tonight and start from scratch. It seems like a laptop with incredible potential, and it wasn't cheap. I'm not happy.

Please help.

 

Are you running dual channel memory?

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No - that was one of my first suspicions, though. After some research, it appeared as though most people concluded that single/dual channel makes very little difference in games. Am I wrong? I'd love an easy fix like that...

Even if it does make a significant difference, I wonder how I could get acceptable/good synthetic benchmarks but such junk performance in-game.

Thanks for your reply, by the way!

 

Have you tried forcing full performance on the nvidia control panel (should be on manage 3d settings, power management mode), and then disable vsync on games to try and push the hardware to the limit?

The fact that both the CPU and GPU is being underutilized means something else is limiting you. Does it happen in all games except benches?

 

Wow. On one hand I feel like a complete tool, but on the other hand, I'm incredibly relieved! I must have had some bad or out of date information, but after looking into it some more and watching MobileTechReview's video on the issue on YouTube, I realize how wrong I was. She emphasized that it makes a 25-35 fps (!!!) difference in open-world games such as FC5 and GTAV. It looks like a second 16 GB stick is on my shopping list now.

Thanks so much for your reply! I can sleep at night now...

 

Thanks for your reply, ryzeki. Yes - I did force full performance in the control panel. Looks like the issue is likely my single-channel RAM setup. Thanks (but no thanks) to MSI for that one! At least there's a free slot and it's an easy fix. I'll throw another stick in there in the near future to confirm and post the results here.

 

For me it seems nothing changed really.
Around 1k Cinebench score and 1.2k after -125mv under-volt for both core and cache.
Still 45W.
Still PL1.

 

I see. I will try BF5 with my GS75, as I also have single channel RAM at the moment, to see if I experience a similar utilization issue. The only game I have played so far is Metro Exodus but that one did run at 100% utilization.

 

What is the power setting that everyone uses? I heard if you put the battery on max performance it will over write the undervolt?

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It is, Here in Europe(at least in Spain) it's coming with one single 16 GB slot, I was having very low fps and perfomance in High CPU usage games like BFV or Anthem(this one was nearly unplayable). I updated to another 16 GB slot so I have dual channel and right after the update I went from having 60-80 fps with drops in BFV to 100-130 with little drops with DXR Activated . I can play Anthem now BTW, but I don't like the game tho

 

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so i did that , and it updates to a new bios automatically . the thing is ..from MSI official website , newest bios now is version E17E2IMS.106 ... is it safe to just let it be ? or should i rolled bck to the previous bios ?

so far I havent notice any performance or thermal issue. 3dmark timespy with turbo on still 9.4k (no uv)

 

i'm not sure, I had that BIOS version (106) and I updated through device manager after. my bios still says i'm on 106

 

Found this thread about the bios http://tieba.baidu.com/p/6035583340

Seems like 109 is legit, dont know why msi have not updated their website with it.

googletranslate seems to indicate some got worse performance with it but i cant be sure i am reading it right

 

Did anyone try the new ecfirmware update?

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Yeah weird ..They allow microsoft to auto update bios firmware that isn't even officially release on their main site .

so far all seems OK tho both EC and BIOS ... no real changes both on temp and performance .