*** The Official 2020 MSI GS66 Stealth Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Leaving this here fixed the name

 

Does anyone happend to have flashed a 90 watt bios for the RTX 2070 Super Max-Q. I'm looking to do the same but so far no one has uploaded a 90 watt bios anywhere yet, including techpowerup.

 

Shouldn't this be "2020" instead of "2019" and be in the " MSI Reviews and Owners' Lounge"?

 

I'm not sure if people here are interested but I have a post up on Reddit that does fairly comprehensive thermal benchmarks for the GS66 10SFS-037. This is the model with i7-10750H, RTX 2070 Super Max-Q, 32gb ddr4 2666 ram.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/h0la7g/comprehensive_thermal_benchmarks_of_gs66/

Also, take your time when doing repastes and adjusting tension on the heatsink. This is more of a cautionary tale but I ended up getting a 4C reduction in temps. I was careless in my previous repaste and forgot that I shouldn't release tension on the heatsinks, rather I should slowly increase tension to correct for core temp differerntials.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops...ted_thermal_benchmarks_of_gs66_and_repasting/

 

There seems to be mixed information regarding whether or not setting the core voltage offset greater than the cache voltage offset provides any benefits in terms of package draw. The answer to that is that it depends on the workload, but it does produce a significant effect when the workload can take advantage of the extra offset. My experiments are contained in the edits of this Reddit post here

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/h7vru3/undervolting_setting_core_voltage_offset_higher/

In particular, I set the Core voltage offset(-219.7 mV) to be at 2 times the cache voltage offset(-110.4 mV), as suggested by /u/Sultanxda, and it produces a significant reduction in package and core power draw. Running Realbench for 15 minutes in each individual experiment I ended up seeing a 5-6 C drop in package power draw.

In Prime95 with AVX/AVX2 off however I did not see any effect in power draw there. My conjecture is that the extra offsets greatly benefits situations where AVX instructions are used but for workloads that don't use AVX instructions the Core and Cache offsets are tied, so the lower of the two values takes effect instead.

My conjecture also seems to be verified by other users as well. Please see comments here by unclewebb and Krzyslaw in reply to my comment

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1176

 

I got a non-Super RTX 2070 mostly because I didn't want to pay few hundred extra for less than 10 FPS increase in the games I play. I threw in the 1TB SSD from my GS65 to this one and sold it to my brother so I will be part of this crew for now. Default thermals were bad until unlocking overclocking (undervolting) in which now everything is quieter than the GS65 and has the battery life to last me an entire plane trip to Europe.

 

I thought people might be interested in temperature differences between using Kryonaut and liquid metal.

I ended up repasting with liquid metal on the CPU in my GS66. I decided to use Thermalright liquid metal Silver King instead of Conductonaut, since the latter would take a week before it would arrive here. Mr.Fox also said the Thermalright liquid metal had the same performance as Conductonaut so no real losses by using it instead.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/liquid-metal-and-33-tape.829130/#post-10985882

https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Perf...ermalright+liquid+metal&qid=1592784282&sr=8-3

Also I tried the foam dam, but it ended up giving really high temps because of the metal shroud that surrounds the die in the 10th gen CPUs. This shroud is also present in the Asus Zephyrus S15, which includes liquid metal out of the factory, so the inclusion of the metal shroud is an Intel addition I think? I'm guessing they included it to prevent thermal paste/liquid metal runoff. I instead opted to create a barrier by putting a thermal paste boundary on top of the metal shroud. All of these details are mentioned in my Reddit post below. Here is my post with benchmarks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/hdhdca/gs66_liquid_metal_versus_kryonaut_thermal/

Overall I noticed an 8-10C improvement in max core temps by going from kryonaut to Thermalright liquid metal. Core differentials also improved from 10C to 5C in between cores.

 

Here are some comparisons of thermals when using Thermalright Liquid Metal Silver King versus Kryonaut on the GPU.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/he0ddb/gs66_liquid_metal_vs_kryonaut_on_gpu/

At stock settings, there are no observable improvements in thermals. Maybe after flashing a higher wattage bios the differences can be better appreciated, but with the 80 watts RTX 2070 Super Max-Q there is no difference in temps.

 

pretty sure at 90w ull only see like 2 -3 degrees more

 

I just wanted to ask but for the RTX 2070 Super Max-Q will there be any versions with power limits higher than 90 watts by chance?

 

There's max p like on the ge66 which are 115w

 

Got my hadns on a 90w bios for 2070 super anyone wanna check it for me? its form an hp omen 2020

 

I'd be willing to. Do you mind posting a snapshot of the GPU-Z for the Omen as well? I just want to double check compatibility before I flash the vbios.

 

nax q duno...unless u can flash a max p bios

 

Everything looks alright to me. Send me a copy of the vbios and I'll try flashing it tonight.

I've been waiting for a 90W vbios for a while now, so I'm hoping it works out.

 

keep me posted

 

whatt was the software we used to have that we could change the tdp of the cards bios?

 

make sur eu backup

 

pascal tdp checker

 

Thanks! Will do.

 

thats the one

 

let me know when u flash im curious as hell

 

Looks like it's not going to be able to hit 90 watts. The Omen vbios, like the Razer Blade vbios, is a variable power one. And the target value is 80 watts. The target value needs to be 90 watts for it to operate at 90 watts.

 

Just to be complete and have it documented here is the info for the Razer Blade Advanced RTX 2070 Super Max-Q vbios. I've flashed this before, but it will not hit 90 watts because the target wattage is set to 80 watts.

 

weird i saw it hit 88wattys on a stress test on the omen

 

try this see how it goes

 

check this one

 

here's how oit was runinig on the omen

 

from what i can tell 9it runs bout 10 watt more on average from ours

 

maybe itrs a dynamic boost thing"?

 

check this out...i think the variable bios is due to dynamic boost....have no idea how we would enable it though ...also apparently the blade has it too

https://www.techspot.com/news/85468-new-hp-omen-15-gaming-laptops-slimmer-faster.html

 

I'll try flashing the Omen vbios just to make sure. I'll let you know what I find.

 

thanks

 

I just realized the Device IDs also have a mismatch. Here is the GPU-Z info from my GS66. The Omen Device ID is 10DE 1ED1 whereas the GS66 is 10DE 1E91.

I might need to do a little bit more research before I flash this Omen rom. I remember reading people flashing vbios with different Device IDs before and bricked their card.

 

gotcha yeah good idea

 

razer bios same device id?

 

Yes. See here.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/need-a-razer-blade-pro-17-2070max-q-vbios.830211/page-18

I've attached the GPU-Z screenshot SUADE8880 posted in the Razer thread. I currently have the Razer Blade's vbios flashed on my GS66. I don't notice any differences between this and the stock vbios.

 

seanwee mentioned that flashing a max-p vbios might end up locking it down to safe mode and limit the frequencies as a result. This was the case for cards in the past when flashing a max-p vbios onto a max-q card.

So we can only flash max-q vbios to max-q cards. Also device-ids should match otherwise there is the potential for bricking the card.

 

id reckon it should boost to over 80w with the razer bios..have u check in hwinfo?

 

Yes, sustained average power is 80 watts monitored using HWINFO. It has peaked at 96 watts before for max power usage, but so did the stock GS66 vbios. So no improvements.

 

Yes

And Yes, Max-q to Max-q, Max-p to Max-p. And unless you have a dgpu mode only laptop you can simply flash the original vbios in the event of a mismatch. No risk of bricking.

 

Ah, that's great to hear.

 

sp that takes a bit of fear out of the equation

 

Anyone else have their power button's light 'stuck' on orange even though the iGPU is being used (and the dGPU reports as inactive)?

 

check open apps somehting is activating dgpu someitmes its a driver issue

 

Can be tedious to find, done it in the past with my old GT70 with the same problem. Stupid software mostly.

 

Had to update the nvidia driver to the latest version anyway, and now it seems to be behaving appropriately. Still odd as by all means the dGPU seemed inactive (nvidia control panel only showed the small subset of options, the nvidia monitor stated it was inactive and didn't list any processes using it, and task manager also said GPU 0 (iGPU) was the only one in use), and yet the power button's led was orange and the expected battery life was also low as if the dGPU was being used. Not sure which software/hardware to believe in that scenario....

 

anyone tried flashing the GPU to the 90W from razer? Trying to see if anyone tried it and the results were good.