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That battery life and amber lights means GPU was on. I get 5 to 6 battery life and if I go crazy power saving, custom power settings and tweaked BIOS I get 8 hours on PCMark 8 with the GS65-8RF with 32GB of RAM.

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Interesting, how did you run the tests to get this then?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...trol-of-the-i7-8750h-advanced-version.823065/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-on-windows-enabling-deeper-c-states.815602/

Used these guides.

As far as amber light, you can use task manager, NVIDIA control settings or process manager to sort by GPU and identify what is turning on dGPU. It's usually Afterburner.

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But what are your scores after the repaste?

 

Exactly the same, I wasn’t thermally limited then and now. The CPU score is much higher because of UV and removed power limit, but the graphics are the same. That’s why I was asking about the temperature at the end of couple of Valley runs, with maxed fans, to see if I didn’t mess up the GPU paste.

 

I've been fiddling around with the BIOS, trying to figure out a way to manually up the CPU power limits without having to trick it using the IMON slope thing. Maybe it's just the tinkerer in me but I feel I need to control this in increments (or maybe I just don't want to blow my power brick lol). I've raised PL1 & PL2 limits in the BIOS. I've also forced PL4 override to some 140W. But all that just works for the first 30 secs or so of a stress test before some overriding power limit kicks in and PL1 gets throttled back to default 45W (I also see "RING: Max VR Voltage, ICCmax, PL4" limit hit on HWINFO).

Does anyone know what's limiting this? I notice in the BIOS that CPU package TDP limit is still at 45W, is there anyway to change this? Also have a feeling it's to do with long duration/short duration power limits which you can normally set on a desktop BIOS but I can't find it in this one.

 

Could someone verify that the following procedure is correct for the BIOS mods?

1. Enter BIOS and use key combo to unlock
2. Navigate to Core/IA VR domain screen
3. Alter settings in accordance with "Falkentyne guide"

• Change AC Loadline from default of 180 to 1
• Change DC Loadline from default of 180 to 1
• Change VR Current Limit from default of 512 to 800
• Set "TDC Enable" to "Disable" and set value to 0. (is this value the TDC Current Limit?)
• Save changes and exit

 

Thanks, did not realize that the official MSI webpage only offered the older version.

EDIT removing all this as it's wrong, ugh.

 

Exactly what I expected to hear cause I keep hitting the 80W power limit on the GPU for most of the games I play. But it's quite interesting how @xLima got 17000 firestrike Graphics score. That's a good 1400 points above my core overclock of +255MHz. I tried to replicate his clocks and my score actually fell to 14900.

 

You can edit the CFG on Afterburner to allow curve edit at 600.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.815216/page-345#post-10868706

 

Did you edit BIOS (PEG0: ASPM = OFF?)

 

So. I used furmark to set the overclock on my 2080MQ 80w. Ended up at 135Mhz for core and 180 for memory. The voltage was always around .650-660 with the clock running around 1410MHz at 100% load. Tested while running Intel XTU as well, passed no problem.

Well apparently that's meaningless as voltage and clocks jump higher when running games like Anthem or BFV. Destiny 2 in comparison maintains the same clock as furmark. The only relationship I can find is that D2 uses 30% CPU while BFV and Anthem use significantly more. So because of that CPU increase, the GPU gets fed higher voltage and thus higher clocks, I guess? Anyway it makes my 135 OC kill games since Anthem is already running at a 1550-1600 default clock speed due to the voltage increase and can't deal with a 1650+ clock speed. Same with BFV to a lesser extent.

I've messed around with the undervolt curve and getting the curve to do what you want is a giant pain in the ass. I did get it to a point where the card will max out around .710 volts @ 1560 vs the regular of .7-.8 range, so a mild underclock. Also bumped up the MHz manually for the lower voltages to roughly equal the 130MHz overclock I used to use. Only problem now is that afterburner seems to now suck down 10% of my CPU while running and I have no idea why. AFAIK it just started happening. I have no monitors running. Even on the default profile with no curve or OC applied it's over 10%. It shows up on "System" process rather than the afterburner process listing, and goes away immediately upon closing afterburner. At any rate this may be the straw that breaks the camels back as I'm maxing out on the time I want to spend tinkering. I may just uninstall afterburner and run the card at default and move on to actually playing games.


Edit'ed for clarification.

 

Yes this is what I did

 

Furmark is a weird one, I wouldn't use that to dial in your GPU overclock/under-volt. It straight away hits the power limit, either it puts enough initial load that the GPU detects this and throttles immediately or I hear there's a software trigger on GPU drivers that detects Furmark. Either way, it means bizarrely that your OC/UV looks stable under Furmark but you'll get trouble with games which will have variable loads which means ironically that you'll end up with a higher Mhz OC due to no power throttling and therefore crashes/instability.

I haven't done it in awhile but I used to use Unigine's Heaven benchmark tool (or I think there's a new one out now) which has a decent enough GPU test; it provides a more realistic game load that you can run in a loop to dial in your OC/UV.

 

Just want to absolutely triple check on this before I save it in BIOS - the unlimited TDP guide says absolutely do not undervolt your GS65 anymore after making these changes (changing AC and DC loadline to 1, changing IMON SLOPE...)

As far as I know, laptops come pre-undervolted from HIDEvolution, right? If I hit save, am I in risk of breaking something?

@JRey what did you do?

 

You can undervokt, but it's limited to like -50. I get -74. Without loadline I could go to -160

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I could not find the option to disable PEG0 ASPM in the bios. However, I took a powercfg/enery report and it told me that PEG0 ASPM was set to disabled already due to some incompatibility in my HW. So I guess that box is ticked off!

My GPU can't seem to hold a memory overclock greater than 175MHz. It also seems to perform better with 150MHz memory overclock than a 175MHz. I'm guessing memory is drawing the extra power from cores? I also tried your exact clocks and the GPU just crashes. So I ran the FS with +270/+150 and that gives me 15900 graphics score in FS. Not sure how I'm lagging behind this bad. I personally monitored the power draw during the FS run and it draws between 77-82. I understand that you have a LM repaste. But my temps are steady at 64C leaving ample headroom in terms of thermals. Its basically power limited at this point.

Can you check and tell me what your avg GPU power draw is during FS? Could you also run TimeSpy with your settings and share your score?


PS: My Scores:
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6544866
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18669441

 

When I was using a hardware monitor in game I found that when I increased memory core speed it lowered core clock speed like a seesaw effect.

Does afterburner always use nearly 10% of CPU on the 8750? What's the average?

 

Yes, I'm guessing that the increase in power to the memory controller on a memory overclock is basically leached from the core power in order to stick to the power limit.

With respect to AfterBurner, it uses 0.1% of my CPU on my i7-8750H.

 

You can still undervolt but don’t expect high numbers. I could only do -39.1


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Unlock BIOS

Advanced- system agent (SA) configuration - PEG Port configuration - under peg 0:1:0 ASPM = DISABLED

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Thank you. Just made the changes and got some before and after benchmarks:

2060 BestBuy version

Before BIOS undervolting using Falkentyne guide:
Firestrike: 13288 (overall), 14822 (graphics), 14518 (physics), 6982 (combined)
Timespy: 5589 (overall), 5671 (graphics), 5167 (cpu)

AFTER BIOS undervolting using Falkentyne guide:
Firestrike: 13550 (overall), 14936 (graphics), 15864 (physics), 7077 (combined)
Timespy: 5660 (overall), 5701 (graphics), 5401 (cpu)

Biggest changes were in physics and cpu scores (5-10% increases). And of course, cpu down from a max of 93 to 85-88!

Now to see if I can overclock the graphics card just a bit and I will be very happy with this machine!

 

I don't understand. I have the 2080MQ GS65, flashed to 90W per @JRey 's guide, with the TDP of the i7 8750h unlocked and repasted with LM @ HIDevolution, and I'm getting 13724 on Firestrike, which is barely above yours as a 2060, and 14827 for graphics, which is... even less?

5193 graphics in Time Spy, less than yours too - what's going on here?

 

If you flash without reinstalling drivers, you’ll get crappy performance. I did.

Search for and use the nvidia driver slimmer utility and check the entire first part, NGX, and USB C driver.
Make sure you use DDU as well, and go in airplane mode.
Somewhere in this thread, I go over my personal steps on uninstalling and reinstalling drivers.
Sorry, I’d link everything but I’m out of the country at the moment with limited ability to post.


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Followed this and I'm up to 17,893 on Fire Strike with a graphics score of 21,286! Thanks for the help

 

Oh!
I'm going to stay away from Bios unlocking. pretty sure they'll call it warranty voided here in India.

@cloudpower what was your graphics score before?

 

The unlock is not permanent and you can reset to default. But I understand your worries.

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Hey guys,
I'm encountering a software/driver issue with my unit, I wonder if you had it too.
Basically, on IDLE my computer is using between 15 and 25% of CPU by the process "System". After some research, it seemed the culprit was a bad driver installation so I went and reinstalled them all until finding it.
I finally found it and it seems this CPU spike come from "Intel UHD Graphics 630". As soon as I go into the device manager and I disable then reenable it the issue is gone and my CPU usage goes down to 3-7%. I tried everything from reinstalling it from the drivers on the msi website, the drivers from windows update, and even using DDU in safe mode for a clean install. But each time I reboot the issue come back and the only solution is to disable/enable the device. Does any of you have experienced this issue? Do you have a fix? Thanks!

 

Wow! What did you do to get those scores? All I did was LM repaste from HIDEvolution, a cooler stand, CPU undervolting of -0.070mv, OC of the GPU of +100mhz for the clock and +100mhz for the memory too. With that I'm getting 16 331 in Firestrike (18 965 for graphics, 15 513 for physics and 8 322 combined). I'm very far from your scores lol (and I did a clean install on my GPU drivers)

 

Hey guys,

Ive encountered another issue with my GS65. The headphone jack just stopped working. Speakers still work fine. I tryed uninstalling and then reinstalling the realtek drivers, but that doesnt fix the issue. Has anyone had a similar issue or know of a fix?

 

He flashed the BIOS of the 90W GPU version I believe, so his chip is drawing more power thus able to achieve higher clocks.

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Oh ok thanks. I don't think I would go that far to get few more fps in games lol.

 

I flashed the 90w GPU BIOS as well per Jrey's guide, alongside keeping my power options on high performance

 

I assume a good percentage of us here have opted to remove Dragon Center, I just wanted someone to check this for me.

For those who have Dragon Center uninstalled, are you able to toggle your camera on and off? I found that in order to toggle my camera on I had to install SCM (SCM got pulled for whatever reason, I assume it's because of DC2.0).

Can anyone replicate this and post, thanks in advance!

 

I have Dragon Center uninstalled and I seem to be able to turn my camera on and off with the keyboard button.

 

SCM is responsible for the hotkeys not the Dragon Center!

 

I know this, but I uninstalled Dragon Center about a week ago and today tried to setup Skype and found the camera wasn't working so I tried to use the FN+F6 and it did nothing. Then I remembered we needed SCM, but my laptop didn't come with SCM installed. I assume perhaps they integrated SCM into Dragon Center.


I installed SCM and was able to activate camera via hotkeys. This is why I asked if anyone else faced similar issues.

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So given that SCM is pulled, how do I get my keyboard Fn-keys working without installing cancer dragon centre?

 

Go to the support page of the GS65 at the MSI website and download it.


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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1A3TH6RTLsndLluxUDKb-4X2npepGm4mm


I uploaded a version to Drive considering I could not find it on MSI GS65-8RF or 8SE support page.

 

Why would you want to uninstall it? Can't you just close it if you don't need it? I saw people here and there saying it's not good to keep it but I couldn't find the time to read all the 99 pages of this thread to find the reason. Thanks

 

I did but it's not there. It's been pulled apparently.

Thank you!

 

If you attempt to edit certain BIOS settings, Dragon Center modifies BIOS settings so it will keep interfering with your adjustments.

You won't notice anything but in the background your settings will be changed by Dragon Center.

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Any idea why my GS65 doesn't seem to be charging my phone? It *connects* but no power is going through to it. The cord works fine on my other laptop and on an AC adapter.

 

What kind of interferences? I only undervolted my CPU in my BIOS, will Dragon center change that? I think I saw somewhere someone speaking about this but I'm not sure.

 

On a completely unrelated topic, 64GB of ram! I thought this machine was limited to 32GB! Damn! I needed 64 too! =|

 

Aha, that's what I thought too, then I saw HIDEvolution offering 64g of RAM and the documentation was saying that this PC accept 64gb of RAM in fact. At first, I wanted to go with the Razer Blade 15 just because of that (MSI didn't advertise on this like Razer did).

But do you really need 64gb of RAM? For my case, I'm working in machine learning and I'm always on the move so I needed a computer able to fit my datasets in RAM without relying on remote servers to do my experiments (and even 64gb is insufficient sometimes, so I have to use a Linux swap partition). But if it was just for gaming I think 32gb would have been more than enough (even 16gb for gaming is enough I think, as long as you have dual channel memory).

 

I do ML research as well! And I did not want to completely rely on the PC if I were on the move. Damn! Had I known this, I would have configured it for 64GB! Damn! Sigh! =|
Now I guess its going to be too costly to replace the 32GB to a 64GB :|

 

Oh wow, the world is small aha. Maybe you can find the 64gb sticks on ebay then and sell the ones you have. There is only one brand who make single SODIMM 32gb sticks as of now: Samsung. So any other brand you'll find on ebay claiming it's 32gb sticks are fakes.

 

OK guys, I tried flashing my 2080 to 90W, and it did not work well. On reboot, even after using DDU to uninstall both Intel and NVIDIA drivers and reinstalling, Windows won't load display drivers and, even when I get it to tell me that my display drivers are working properly, apparently DX11 doesn't work. The error I'm getting is "Unable to create DirectX 11 device." This happens whether I'm using the 90W BIOS or my original saved BIOS. Basically, now that I've flashed, I can't seem to get Windows to play nice with the NVIDIA drivers again. Any suggestions about what I'm doing wrong here?

Edit: GPUZ looks fine and like it did before flashing, but under "Sensors" it's clear that it can't seem to read any of the sensors to monitor the GPU.