MSI GE63VR / GE73VR Raider Laptops

If you want one, grab it while you can because it is a pricing error that will be corrected shortly.

 

I'm on the verge of getting a GE63VR all kitted out but the one thing I've been unable to find definitive data on is how loud it is. I like the Max-Q designs because of the lower decibels. I'm happy to trade performance for a quieter overall experience. I was looking at the GS63VR but wasn't happy with not being able to get NVMe drives. I feel like I'm stuck at the moment between the two. Slower drives but quieter machine on one hand, faster drives but potentially loader machine on the other.

Does anyone have any actual dB readings from near the fans and from average head position on the GE63VR while idle and under load?

 

Right at the vent, it is 46dB at idle, and 70dB at Max Fan Speed. This is right at the vents, not at normal listening distance.

How many M.2 SSDs do you want?

 

They've fixed it already)))

 

Thanks for the numbers! Ok, wow, seems louder than I'd hoped . Although, some online calculations of attenuation seems to indicate that would possibly drop the 70dB to maybe 43-45ish dB at 2 feet away. Would repasting for better thermal efficiency help drop that a little?

I was looking at a pair of 500GB 960EVOs but realized (at least from HIDevolution) it's cheaper to get a single 1TB 960EVO and leave the other slot open for later use.

 

Yes, not only the distance, but getting the Thermal Paste upgrade will also help.

Please be sure to do some research about the REAL difference between M.2 SATA and PCIe NVMe...for most people getting NVMe is not worth the cost. See http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvme-vs-sata-ssds-for-gamers.802045/

Also, note that SATA SSDs boot faster than NVMe because the NVMe controller takes longer to initialize.

 

Thanks, Donald. That was informative and appreciated. A bit of a savings to drop down from NVMe. That also makes the GS63VR more plausible.

Seems like I'm down to the GE63VR and GS63VR and their noise levels. (ok, maybe I'm a bit of a sucker for the per-key lighting on the GE63VR). The 70dB certainly makes me a bit nervous. I wish there was a good number for average levels at working distance but I really appreciate all that you've provided here.

 

Personally, I would go with 1050TI , as it's probably the most balanced card for GE chassis , but damn, $1.799 price tag is insane
@Donald@HIDevolution will those see cheaper SKU's as well?
Thank you

 

The 1070 will run just fine in the enhanced cooling GE63/73 chassis easy. With a CPU undervolt, GPU overclocked, and max fans you can expect around 70-80C tops on both.

My brother got a cheap 7700HQ/1060 3gb refrub/like new for $750 on an eBay deal and once overclocked on GPU around +225/+500mem and undervolted he is running 70C CPU and 65-70C GPU.

Quite honestly unless on an extreme budget, there is no way in hell I would buy a 1050 Ti laptop, much less pay the extortion prices they're asking for the 1050 Ti model.

 

I hear you, but coming from GS73 with 1060....... i didn't enjoy that helicopter noise.

 

The fan setup is completely different on these. The GS73/63 use different fans than this setup, and it has a smaller heatsink. I agree the fans on those GS/GP series at max is completely ear piercing. Even with headphones it was extremely unacceptable to me.

 

Then 1060 maybe. I still think that 1070/1080 belong to much bigger chassis.

 

The 1070 appears to be running just fine. The max temp for the 1070 appears to be in the high 60's low 70's and that's with the stock paste. A decent paste and an undervolt on the CPU should yield Temps in the mid to low 60's on the GPU.

The Raider is a completely different design than the GS models. The rear of the laptop is thicker than the front unlike the GS. Also, there are 4 discharges, larger fans and more heat pipes.

In regards to the GS, there is no way I'd want more than a 1060. In regards to the GE73, it appears to be handling the 1070 just fine. I trust HID Donald's opinion and he recommends this laptop over many others.

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It actually isn't insane when you look at the 2x 512GB SSDs that come standard. You can take one, or both of them out if you want for a deduction of $75 for each one you take out.

I doubt we will see the stripped down configuration from MSI, because almost no one orders the 1050Ti. They either get the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 or nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070. The temps on the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 are quite good...there is no reason to be concerned about them.

 

donald please confirm.

so whats the deal with that GTX 1060 price compare to GTX1070 model ? if we put the same specs like hdd and ssd capacity ? (ex; DDR4 8GB, 1tb HDD + 128SSD M.2 on both model) and yet still GTX 1060 will be expensive ?

 

At this time, that is correct because MSI loads up the 1060 model so much. We will have a version of the 1060 with a starting configuration of just 16GB + 1TB 7,200 RPM SATA III Hard Drive, and more reasonable pricing, in about a month or so.

 

I would imagine MSI is running into the issue or having too many products in their portfolio. Pricing the 1060 equipped Raider where it should (all things being equal) should be around $1650. They already have a mid size GTX 1060 laptop selling for around $100 less.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the 1060 model dropping.

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Anyone here know how good is the new Alienware 17 r4(2017 edition) in terms of temperature? I am having a second thought of selling my raider and getting the alienware.

 

Depends on your configuration, but with the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 and Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ we get, after AIDA64 Stress Test, and with our Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra + IC Diamond thermal paste upgrade, and fixing the goofy Alienware thermal solution, we get CPU = 81C - GPU = 76C, and with the Intel® Core™ i7-7820HK we get CPU = 84C and GPU = 76C.

 

Why are you thinking of getting rid of the Raider?

 

What program do you guys use to measure temps?
I'm scared my unit runs a little too hot sometimes... GE63VR 7RF
CPUID HWMonitor said my max CPU temp was 96 degrees Celsius... (while playing GTA V)
Have the laptop for 3 weeks now.

Here are my temps after rendering something in after effects:

 

The pricing looks indeed weird in the US.
Raider is indeed more expensive in France, but most (if not all) resellers have drastically dropped the prices from 1700€ to 1500€ just this week for the i7, 256GB SSD, GTX 1060 model and from a whooping 1900€ to 1750€ for the GTX 1070 model. I knew the GTX 1060 model was properly priced after the 200€ discount so I snatched it right away. Now it is mostly priced between 1540 and 1660€.

 

Same config as the GE73 raider. 1070 with i7 7700hq. And what are the temps for your GE73 unit after all the paste and upgrades?

 

Try undervolting your cpu. will see a decrease in temp about 10C. but that GPU at 50C.. wow so cold haha

 

Wonder if there is something going on with optimus. Looks like your on board video is trying to do the heavy lifting. Just looks odd considering your GPU's max temperature is 50 degrees while gaming.

Also, what's up with those two CPU cores so much cooler than the other cores.

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I am just worried about the temps. Temps are fine after undervolting, but i feel like undervolting is like choking the cpu in the neck. See the temps in that alienware video in stock voltage. seems pretty good to me.

 

After repaste with IC Diamond and AIDA64 Stress Test, gaming and benchmarks, max temps are CPU = 74C, GPU 70C.

 

See my post above. For Temps, you would be going backward with the Alienware 17.

 

Hey lads,

I bought the GE73vr today with a gtx 1060 and a 7700HQ I7 processor and I am really pleased with it. It's a shame MSI hasn't put in an IPS screen (as I can see the lines on the edges when I display a white screen) but otherwise the screen is very fast, and gaming goes well with a 1060 as it should do. For example getting 60-70 fps on Pubg with nearly all ultra settings.

Temps are really good, running 60 degrees max (haven't undervolted) with fans running at 3800 RPM under load (max is 5500 rpm but never needed it). I must explain the lower temps without undervolting, I have a cooling pad which blows cold air directly into the laptop. As this laptop is vented on the underside this works really well.

The two speakers and subwoofers of this laptop give a really nice sound, bass works well too.I can give two comparisions with other laptops : acer predator G5 793 793X - the sound that laptop produces is amazing and slightly better than the msi Ge73vr but that laptop is huge. :MSI GS73vr - sound on that laptop is way worse, lacks bass and the GE73vr is way better.

I have read reviews saying that the screen isn't very bright, this is true but it's still more than bright enough for me. Keep in mind that this is very personal. The RBG backilight Per key keyboard is very nice, I like the travel on it and response is good in general.

MSI really has done a good job on this laptop, they sure have convinced me on this one.

Cheers.

 

Where did you get yours and how much was it?

 

I've got mine in a belgium store ( https://www.laptopshop.be/product/791113/category-258968/msi-ge73vr-7re-010be-azerty.html ), due to our taxes and prices the laptop was more expensive than in neighbouring countries. Which translates in me paying €1945 for my ge73vr.

 

donald, is that IC diamond you mean not liquid metal base paste right ?

that was huge temperature drop, which one is good thermal grizzly kryonaut vs IC diamond ?

okay, this question always bugging me around LOL, donald, which one has a better thermal cooling GE63VR (GTX 1060) VS Alienware 13 R3 (GTX 1060) Out of the Factory BOX ??? please answer honestly...

 

Yes, IC Diamond. If you get Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra you will see another 2-4C drop in your CPU temps.

We don't use kryonaut.

GE63VR is best for out of the box cooling. Even with the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 it runs several degrees C cooler than the Alienware 13 with the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060.

 

Sorry to bug you again and i am not an expert in this, i just want your honest opinion and your review. I saw your post above about AW 15 with repaste with 84C in stress test. AW 15 is meh.
So since you have all the unit, i want to ask you what temps do you get in the new Alienware 17 r4 during stress test/benchmark/gaming? with the gtx 1070 and i7 7700hq of course. for both stock and repaste temps please.
Here is what i am planning to do. If the temps are same between those two model but just few C difference, i am gonna keep my raider. But if there is a big difference in temps i will sell my raider and save up some money and buy the alienware. I am in dilemma. Please help and thank you.

 

Hi, Can you please post a screenshot or tell me your bios version and bios version date? thank you.

 

Can you please tell me your cooling pad model? i need one. i have this cooling pad which i use it as a laptop stand since it did nothing for me.

 

You should do a repaste. If your core temps are any indication,it looks like your CPU heat sink paste is uneven which could be why you are seeing 79 on two and 90's on the rest. Your GPU temps look really good.


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Is there any reason why sellers don't offer Kryonaut instead of IC Diamond? Don't most reviews have better results with the Grizzly?

 

IC Diamond handle uneven heatsink quality in a better way than most other thermal paste. And ICD is known for having a very long lifespan. Better than most.

 

how does the lifespan of icd compare to cool lab liquid ultra?

 

Depends on the Heatsink fit on die/IHS. You have to be sure the fit is almost perfect with use of Liquid metal. Both will last about as long, with good fit. Liquid metal will provide better temp throughout lifespan.

 

I guess that's exactly why I would get HID folks to do the pasting instead.

They have probably done it so many times by now, they can do it in their sleep

 

You have at least approved Liquid metal application (as a guarantee that you do not have to pay for your own LM mistakes)

 

Listen to @Papusan ... he is very wise

 

The best way to avoid LM "mistakes" = "disasters" is to not use Liquid Metal - or any electrically conductive TIM at all, it's just a bad idea, a gamble not worth taking.

There are plenty of good non-conductive TIM's to choose from. Do a good spread application, tighten the heatplate screws evenly cross pattern in small turns, and make sure you undervolt to increase the temperature reduction to the maximum.

Liquid Metal conductive TIM isn't worth the damages it causes. IDK why vendors offer it, they gotta be losing money on it in the long run.

 

Hehe...other things we might do in our sleep...for Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra and IC Diamond we are WIDE AWAKE!

 

Not wise enough, he still recommends liquid metal electrically conductive pastes as the best, and it's not the best when it destroy's laptops.

 

I thought most MSI laptops heatsinks are relatively even and level, and you only have to worry about unevenness in Clevo.

 

@Papusan very carefully only recommends it as best in the right circumstances...he pretty clearly says it is not right unless you have a good fit.

When done properly, under the right circumstances (including fixing what the manufacturer sends us), it destroys nothing...and lasts a long time.

 

It can happen to any production heatplate. Warpage, uneven matching fastening ends forcing uneven pressure.

I've helped people with MSI LM with boutique vendors, and even with 3 tries and several attempts at fitment, there are some that won't work with LM.

In that case they got a new boxed unit and left the stock paste on, and it worked fine with stock paste, better than with LM

Lucky they never took delivery of the LM model MSI unit, if the fitment were bad enough it would have leaked while standing vertically in the backpack, traveling every day.

That is the recipe for disaster that only professionals can catch and avoid... you on the other hand as a DIY'er have that same learning curve done by the professional to go through, and that can end up with the "globlet's of doom" dripping out into your brand new laptop, killing it dead.

HIDEvolution warrants their LM work, so order from them and let @Donald@HIDevolution worry about the potential "drip-out"