MSI GE63VR / GE73VR Raider Laptops

Yup, that's how you do it

With the long time period before BSOD, you are probably pretty close to the ideal setting. Dropping +10mV like that is a good first reduction. Hopefully that's all you need to drop it.

If you are stable at -135mV I would try halving that reduction and go -5mV more to -140mV and see if that is also stable. You can get within +-2mV on most CPU's to draw a finely tuned undervolt.

It takes time, and sometimes you are rewarded with BSOD randomly, so there is something to be said for being conservative and being +10mV off stable just to be sure long term

 

Nope, all you are doing by under volting is forcing the CPU to run at a certain frequency / clock speed to WHILE using less voltage. That is why if you drop the voltage too much, there are crashes or the system locks up, since the processor doesn't have enough power being supplied to it.
I personally havent encountered any performance loss on my AW (-130mV for the 6700HQ and -105mV for the 6820HK) nor on the Clevo systems.

 

Let me clarify this.

There is no more NVIDIA Optimus. It has been replaced with MSHybrid...which does virtually the same thing. You can set it at automatic, where it switches between iGPU and dGPU depending on the demands being made, or you can lock any game or application to either the dGPU or iGPU. For business productivity applications, iGPU should be used, but for gaming or any other graphic intense application dGPU should be used.

All MSI models other than the GT series use MSHybrid, but it is not because of no G-Sync. If G-Sync was supported, then to use MSHybrid you would disable G-Sync.

The GT series does not support MSHybrid, rather it has a hardware MUX switch to change from dGPU to iGPU. Switching requires a reboot. When in dGPU mode, G-Sync can be enabled or disabled in the NVIDIA Control Panel.

 

Thanks for trying to help, next time please verify that what you are saying is true before posting it. Or, post it as a question instead of a statement of fact.

It's not an unusual thought lately, there are people spreading the same incorrect assumption, not based on any real world experience, that undervolting causes a reduction in performance, it doesn't.

When you get a laptop, benchmark it out of the box, then undervolt it to stability, benchmark again.

After undervolting there won't be a reduction in performance given the same test settings, but there may be an improvement in performance if your pre-undervolting temperatures were causing thermal throttling, now with undervolting your CPU is able to run at full speed without thermal throttling.

Many thousands of people have undervolted and verified the same performance before and after, with lower temperatures and no thermal throttling the result. If you had tested this yourself before posting you would have avoided posting incorrect information.

Not all laptops benefit from an active fan laptop stand or cooler as not all laptops will take in the increased air flow, at best it cools the outside shell of the laptop. Each laptop needs to be tested to find if the increased air flow from a particular cooler will make a difference, quite often they don't.

Most of the benefit from a laptop stand, if set up correctly, is to raise the rear of the laptop higher than the front so as to start convection cooling. This makes a big difference even with laptops that don't respond to forced air cooling.

Alienware current models come to mind, they can have a 10c improvement in cooling by lifting the rear up an inch or two.

Before spending $50 on a laptop stand, try putting something under the rear feet raising the rear of the laptop a couple of inches higher than the front and measure the temperatures again to see if that helped.

Because of your post, and the posts of others with similar guesses about undervolting, I've had to explain this many times in the past month, whereas I hadn't seen anyone ask this in 4-5 years.

It's a waste of time for everyone, so please stop doing it, make sure you can back up your claims with real world test results before posting them. I'd be happy to see your before / after undervolting benchmark results

 

LOL BRO. I bought this same exact one like 8 years ago from Newegg, but the wires inside the dial control housing were ****tily soldered and after my second RMA (they didn't even send me a new one, they just tried re-soldering the same one twice) I said **** it and threw away the fans and kept the base/stand, which is really nice.

 

@Newgoodday

@Mr. Fox and others have modded the Notepal U3 with better / more fans and gotten great results, here is a post from a while back, and @Mr. Fox has a video about the mods:

Laptop coolers
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/laptop-coolers.797581/#post-10374106

Upgrade from Rosewill to Vardar Fans on U3 Cooler

 

Hello

usually i dont review products because my sux English skills

Got my GE63 3 days ago after long waiting because it was out of stock at HIDevolution.

Was looking for laptop that i can take everywhere anytime.

thought im going to buy average laptop before Donald recommended GE63 to me.

Everything in this laptop is different never thought i will buy MSI product in anytime, but let me tell you they did damn good job.

Keyboard is really awesome rgb so cool and buttons feeling is very nice
GTX1070 is really powerful card u can get u can maximum almost everything
Sound is amazing
Display as someone above said u better not try it if u won't really get it because its something really different
size and weight, if it would be a 17inch (didn't get that because i already have 5kilos 17 inch laptop).
what else mmmmm

just pull the trigger u won't regret(i dont know if its the right word to use here ) it.

when Donald told me ur laptop is not in stock i was very sad and was about to cancel my order but im happy that i didnt.

Let's hope everyone can understand my English and what i said

 

Thanks for the review. If you could, update us with some thermal results and whether or not you're using the stock paste.

I had to put my purchase on hold after a plumbing issue cost me nearly 2 thousand dollars. I should have mine ordered at the end of the month so for right now, I'm living vicariously through user reviews. Haha.

By the way, your English is perfectly fine for being a second language for you. I wish I could speak a second language let alone write in one.


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Maybe you can point the Plumber here, he's got the cash to buy right now

 

By the looks of him, he's not purchasing a gaming laptop any time soon.


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You might be surprised. I sold a laptop to a mechanic, a high end gaming laptop, he pointed to the bag he carried and opened it to reveal a PSP and dozens of games. You never know who's got the gaming bug

 

since i bought from HIDevolution sure i won't buy a stock paste

i will try to log something for you tomorrow.

btw i undervolt mine -115, not because I got heat problems but after ppl keep chatting last 4 days about thermal heat undervolting Haha.

so please end this thermal discussion before i undervolt it to - 200

 

Hey, whatever's stable on your CPU fits

The range I've seen is -15mV all the way to -220mV, with the Skylake / Kabylake getting the lions share of the better undervolting results

Even if you don't have thermal throttling, undervolting is a great tool toward benchmarking and finding the limits of your laptop, while cooling your CPU under normal use and gaming loads which keeps the fans from spinning up as often.

Then you can start OC'ing the GPU with MSI Afterburner and turning off vsync and using RTSS to limit frame rate to Refresh-1 to match G-sync.

Even if you can OC your CPU, the GPU might have some more useful headroom, and they usually have the better cooling in laptops, so there is more headroom to OC.

 

Okay cool. Let us know.

By the way, it looks like the dude with the CPU thermal problems has an uneven heatsink or bad paste job due to the uneven cores. Two of those cores were right around where they should be. High 70's, low 80's. The other 3 cores were up in the 90's.

I would definitely be returning that unit within the 15 days.


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Not everyone has the luxury of a no cost return, restocking fee's these days are high and being charged. And, some people ordering from other countries have large shipping costs involved, not to mention the waiting between returning, crediting their card, ordering again, waiting for delivery, etc.

If his undervolt takes the temp down enough to stop the hot cores from thermal throttling under long gaming sessions, he could keep the laptop and avoid the hassle of returning it.

He was also quick to pick up on the tools, and savvy to the process, he might be handy enough to want to repaste - or at least try to reseat the screws holding the heatplate.

He can unscrew the heatplate screws without removing / lifting the heatplate - that might introduce air bubbles reducing cooling - and then screw the screws back in 1/2 turn at a time going cross ways when tightening - cross corner to cross corner instead of round robin around the heatsink.

That completely removed a 7700HQ's core temperature differential, the repaste he did also reduced overall temps, but the important note to take from that is re-affixing the screws should remove the core temp differential without requiring disassembly of the whole cooling system and re-pasting.

Someone else recently repasted and got rid of a high core temp differential just by carefully screwing the heatplate back in after re-pasting - cross pattern with 1/2 turn per screw to get even pressure / coverage with the heatplate CPU mating.

At least he'll have options to keep it if it's too much of a hassle to return it.

 

I was always under the impression that if there is a flaw in the product, it could be returned within 15 days without incurring any restocking fees. I could personally care less how long it takes to credit my card back but I would care if I was charged a fee for returning a product not performing correctly.


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By the way, this is why I always tell people to buy from a reputable place or one with a good return policy. I'd like to think a place like HID would have never let this unit with the uneven cores go out the door. That's just not a few degrees here and there. Those core differences are pretty drastic.


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You need to take cues from the person posting as to what they want to do, he didn't seem helpless and was interested in solving the problem vs returning which I assume he knows about his 14 day return period (or whatever it is).

If someone doesn't seem savvy or comfortable with fixes I do recommend returning for refund or a new unit instead of RMA, as it takes a long time to get repairs done vs swapping for another unit.

Let's see what he wants to do

 

You'd be surprised what makes it out the door from any business, you can't rely on anyone, check it for yourself when you get your laptop - thoroughly vet the performance and temperatures under heavy gaming and benchmark load before your easy return period expires, not all problems are caught at the factory or vendor. And, some issues arise from shipping.

Just like there isn't a single laptop make to purchase, there isn't a single vendor to sell them, there are hundreds of retail locations that offer sales or discounts worth getting vs. paying premium costs. Not everyone can afford a boutique shop purchase, nor should they feel so obligated.

Except for Clevo + Prema partners, if you get a Clevo you are better off getting it from a Prema partner so eventually you will get the tuned firmware developed by Prema, otherwise Clevo's aren't quite so nice out of the box with stock firmware.

I buy all of my MSI, Asus, Acer, HP, etc laptops from retail - local businesses - so I have a place to go to work out issues. I prefer supporting local businesses and try to buy as much as I can locally. There are some things just too discounted to purchase locally, but with price matching I can usually get my laptop as cheap or cheaper locally. Then I can also swing discounts / price matching for components too.

Given a long history of purchases from a local business I can get better support and better pricing, plus calls for new equipment as it arrives. And, I can drive right over and get things I need the same day. I also can suggest products and area of product coverage to add so they know what is popular and what people are buying online that they don't carry. These are good relationships to build.

Not once have I found the need to get my laptop through a boutique buyer, even though I always check configuration and pricing - it's always cheaper for me to do the work myself, and then I know who did it and who to blame if it doesn't work

 

Does Anyones can see ESS sabre logo above volume control (in Nahimic2 program)?

I try to push my headphone in line out and selected hi fi headphone But notthing to see ESS Sabre logo dac.
Help me please.

 

It should "just work", if you have the latest Nahimic + Realtek from MSI support area for your laptop model. If you download newer versions they don't always work well together, that's why MSI pairs them into one download.

If you start a source, maybe that will help switch over to the headset? Make sure you have the right output selected as default and when you plug in it switches, then Sabre should show up, something like this:


There have been Windows 10 update bugs that cause new fixes from vendors, so maybe that's what you are seeing.

Is anyone else having this problem?

 

Whew i got scared when someone said you can get very high temps in one of the CPU cores due to bad thermal paste. Luckily this was not the case for me after checking it out using msi afterburner in witcher 3 (high settings preset with unlocked fps,very heavy load). All cores about the same temperature. Undervolted at -0.140

 

That looks good

Core temperature differential is one of the first things to check when testing a new laptop, and again after undervolting to see if thermal throttling (if present before undervolting) is still present.

MSI does a pretty good job of putting them out right the first time, but there are some that have not completely tightened heatplates that can cause this - or mis-tightened, all due to someone having the Monday's or too many hours on the line screwing in heatplates

It's good to know there are good ones out there too.

Please post your own results good or bad, it's good to know what people are getting out of the box with brand new models.

 

Msi uses good quality thermal paste from the factory and not some cheap stuff like a lot of companies do. This can be further realized if you repaste their new machines with something like gc extreme or kryonaut sometimes you barely see improvement if any, where as on other companies the difference can be huge. Also the above post is correct and very good point. For all the people who complain of audio issues on msi newer laptops, make sure you go to msi support downloads and install the audio drivers and nahimic software from there.
Edit: I forgot to add I have heard of many people returning these devices due to said audio issues, even such as popping noises coming from the speakers...when the issue is never with hardware and is actually just the aforementioned driver issues.

 

Yes true. I had the same audio problem. When i was on call with my friends on steam and if he starts speaking it started crackling and when i open any mp3/mp4 music videos for the first time, there is this small POP sounds. all this was fixed when i resintall both nahimic and realtek. now no more audio problems.

 

@hmscott So i disable hyper-threading and cpu-c states in bios. And i saw a significant temp drop. Now battlefield 4(multiplayer) maximum temps is 70C. i used to get 77C as maximum. I am not sure whether disabling decreases performance but temp was low.
1. What does this thing do? Do you recommend it off or on? for both hyper-threading and cpu-c states.
2. Am i getting lower temps now because the cpu is not running on full capacity?

 

2=> Yes

You disabled the hyperthreads and the Turbo frequency changes, you shouldn't need to do either, just undervolt and that should be fine. 77C cpu while gaming is good enough.

 

Alright time for an update, I played GTA V again at undervolt: -0.135, and I didn't crash or BSOD.
I'm positive now that -0.135 is stable for my processor, might even push it a little further.
Here are my temps after playing GTA V for 30 mins:



Note yesterday it was this:



Are my temps still too high? I already dropped 10 degrees (88 vs 98)

 

That's an awesome result, now your 88c maximum is well below the 93c thermal throttling point, you should be seeing better or more reliable frame rates - it was thermal throttling before which would drop CPU power and performance during game play - now it's running at full power all the time.

Also, your core temperature differentials are much lower, well within acceptable range.

Congratulations, as long as the rest of your game play exhibits the same lowered temps your results are good enough to stay with that unit.

 

Yup, pretty happy. Going to try once more with -0.140 (I can't seem to increment less than 0.005)
If this doesn't result in a BSOD by the end of the day and it survives another GTA V test for at least 30mins I'm keeping it as permanent.

 

Just got my shiny new GE63 today. The only disappointment is the sound. My 6 year old DELL XPS L502x has much better volume and sound quality. I thought the sound on the new one would be at least as good. I've fiddled around with numerous settings to get the volume up to an acceptable level but nothing like the DELL. Ah well, everything else is good.

 

Even i was disappointed i though the sound levels was gonna blow me away at first. But after turning on volume boost to extreme in nahimic, the sound level is acceptable,much better than my old laptop. I put my sound level on 80% when playing. For some reason the sound my games is better than my music, i feel lol.

 

I can't speak of the sound quality on ge63(thinner), but I can say on the GE62VR, with custom configured settings, these are the best speakers I have ever heard from any laptop by far. they even beat out a lot of computer desktop speakers and i can hear these from anywhere in my house. they throw out a lot of bass as well. Very impressed.

 

Mine is the GE63VR - 7RF and the sound quality and especially the volume is mediocre compared to my previous 6 year old xps. Maybe I was spoiled with the XPS and my expectations were too high.

 

OMG, what happend to those giant chamber speaker ? i saw so many positive feedback from reviewers says the sound output from giant speaker was fantastic due to bass, mid and treable was so balance in harmony and the volume output can blast up to 100+Db right, o_0 ???
did you already try re-instal or update the sound driver/software.

you can check the GE63VR VS GE62VR speaker comparison of these video at minutes 6:17

i agree with this, i already hear sound speakers from dell 7567, GE62VR 7RF and lenovo Y720p, and these 3 laptop have amazing speaker especially for lenovo Y720 was blow my mind, i think it's not regular speaker, it was 5.1 in a laptop LOL, and second place going to GE62VR 7RF is very good too, the vocal was soo forward and not interupt the high, come close at 3rd place was for dell 7567 with very good bass clarity.

but on the new dell 7577 with GTX1060MQ, they remove the subwoofer along with the battery capacity got trimmed LOL, RIP Dell ,they make same mistake like TN panel on the dell 7567.

 

I have to admit I was also dissapointed with the loudness of the speakers in my GE63VR 7RF. Sound quality is great though.

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Still didnt't crash at -0.140, gonna try GTA V tonight.

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@hmscott: I really appreciated your undervolting explanations so I made a post on my own forum and credited you. I hope that's okay.

 

@poby @Zualtea @maveeeee - Have you downloaded and installed the audio drivers and software as @pbhenry3 and @chadkamei have suggested.

The sound quality is there, you just have to corral it.

 

I am trying to make a final decision between the ge73vr and the pa71hs. I am very new to all the screen and output jargon but I see the pa71hs comes with thunderbolt while the ge73vr doesn't. So what does that mean in terms of what external screens I can use? I read thunderbolt supports a 4k screen at 120hz (so it can't support 144hz?) or 2 4k screens at 60hz while an hdmi 2.0 output supports only 1 4k 60hz screen. I think in the future, I'd love to have a 120hz+ 4k screen. I searched newegg just now for a similar screen and I could only find this which is 144hz: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...215&cm_re=4k_144hz-_-9SIABHJ5281215-_-Product

Are these kinds of screens still new to the market. Is it possible to get a 28" 4k screen at 120hz+ for 200ish any time soon? And will the 1070 be able to handle it?

 

Welp I think I answered my own question after checking benchmarks https://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphics-Cards.13849.0.html bf1 at 4k on the 1070 gets 49 fps so a 144hz external monitor is pointless. I wish they had HOTS on there as thats my main game. The 1070 probably can get well over 144fps in that game

 

Also does anyone know when the 8700hq will come out and when msi will have it in the ge73vr? I'm guessing when this occurs, we will see the first price drop for the ge73vrs with the 7700hq. I wouldn't mind waiting a few months for 200+ cheaper comp. I remember the gt72vr with the 6700hq was going for 1300 while its 7700hq counterpart was going for 1800.

 

The next cpu upgrade for the ge73vr and pa71hs will be the 8700hq, which is coffee lake right? Whats with the kabylake r series?

 

Kaby Lake Refresh is the quad core U (15W) chips shipping now. 8700K is Coffee Lake and should be shipping next month or so. Coffee Lake 6 core HQ 45W chips haven´t been officially announced yet but expected by November or December.

 

Wonder how hot the 6 cores are going to run.

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Dang I would love a 6 core for vray renders (12 boxes rendering). But I can't imagine the ge73vr handling any cpu hotter than the 7700hq as that already needs significant tinkering to get under 90c when playing bf1.

 

Time to share some temps after 30mins playing ffxiv maximum res



ignore the 18 fps because i was in another window that's why it drops my average fps was 145

 

Your forum entry looks good, thanks for paying the help forward, I'm sure someone will benefit from reading your forum entry on undervolting

 

Last I heard the laptop version Coffee Lake #1 CPU's won't be out till Feb 2018...Coffee Lake #2 performance z390 desktop Sept 2018 - IDK if there will be another issuance of Coffee Lake for laptops following that or not.

 

I'm using the software it comes installed with. Is there any special additional downloads I need to boost the volume? I already have the volume set to max in lots of places. Like I said, it's possible the I got used to the incredible sound of my ancient XPS and my expectations were too high. I was expecting something bass enough and loud enough to fill the room such that talking without shouting was impossible. The sound quality is ok, the volume is ok (on maximum) but both are less than what I was used to. I naively assumed that a new gaming laptop would have sound at least as good as the 6 year old DELL. The latter admittedly probably had the best sound available at the time it was produced.

 

I don't understand why you resist the good advice offered to update your drivers and software. It is hard to understand your complaint when you don't use the latest drivers and software. You will most likely be amazed at the results.

 

I think I have updated everything, but if I haven't, what exactly do I need to do to update the drivers? Is there a special download that I need to install that isn't included? If so, I'd be grateful is someone can point me in the right direction.