First GS66 video.

Jarrod’s Tech releases a video on an Engineering sample of the GS66. He mentions what changes there are that he knows of. No specs or release date yet, but we can assume soon. Most importantly we see the inside does NOT have a flipped motherboard. Aaaaaand a MUX switch! So this is looking to be an excellent machine. Hopefully it and the GE66 come out soon.

 

Nice. Looks like they've improved many od GS65 mistakes. Wonder if it'll be much more expensive...

 

Hopefully it slides in at the same price as the outgoing gs65. Hopefully cheaper than what Razer is charging.

 

If the GS66 is getting a MUX switch, then they must be adding them to the entire line. Hopefully this is true because MSI would be industry leading with this.

 

Yes they would. Along with all the other improvements this is definitely going to be the standard to beat. I’m curious to see what gpu options are going to be offered with the GE66. If it has the max-p 2070 then it’ll definitely my first choice.

 

Imma get on to replace my gs65 9th gen at some point

 

Geekbench 5 scores for gs66 with i7-10750H
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/1105732 (Single: 1190, Multi: 6092)
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/1144061 (Single: 1173, Multi: 6437)

 

Fingers crossed for Power Delivery charging and not just output, even though that's really cool. Would be nice to only have to carry one charger for all devices when travelling and not gaming.

 

Down with optimus! Jk, but a mux switch is an improvement.

 

MUX is definitely the best of both worlds

 

I've never used MUX on my GT73VR as it's always plugged in when in use...

 

Statement makes perfect sense for a desktop replacement, but when it's meant to be a portable performance laptop like the GS6X series, it's great to be able to have Optimus for when on-the-go (not gaming) and disable Optimus (to avoid the potential performance penalty) when gaming at home.
When you're dual booting based on those two scenarios (work vs home), it's even nicer since you won't really need to change the setting (work will always be Optimus since I don't need the GPU at work for my job) and at home, Optimus will mostly be disabled since I'm usually at my desk playing something (though sometimes when I'm on the go or doing something else on the couch, having the ability to switch to Optimus is nice).

 

Agreed! But better alternatives for possible mobile gaming do exist - MSI tends to be on the low end of battery life.

 

What does Mux Switch mean? Does it mean you get to choose which GPU is active at one point rather than having them both active (Optimus) and thus also being able to have GSYNC on the machine?

 

Yes, manual switch without Optimus. Reboot needed and makes G-Sync possible.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-stealth-gs66-spotted-with-core-i9-10980hk-and-geforce-rtx-2080-super

Man this will cost an arm and a leg lol... I barely even use my GS65 nowadays but I still want it

On the flipside those AMD 4900HS looks tasty

 

The Intel 10 series is basically a rebranded 9 series, and the SUPER Max-Qs will be just a few percentages faster than the vanilla 20 series.

Better chassis but the hardware won't be worth the $3.5k.

 

The "Mux" switch enables either the iGPU or the Nvidia GPU as the primary display, but not both.
It is possible to enable the iGPU when the Nvidia GPU is primary, if you have an unlocked BIOS, but there is no way to render to it.

On the GT series (NOT GT76), disabling the Nvidia GPU via the GPU button or the GPU app switcher (or in some models, through "MSI GPU Mode" in the unlocked BIOS) completely deactivates the PEG port electrically. If you go to PEG port information (Unlocked menus), it will say "Peg 0:1:0: Not installed".
The embedded controller (EC) is responsible for the deactivation.

Optimus will not work on these systems, even if you try to enable "Switchable graphics" in the PEG options and enable the iGPU with the dGPU enabled. Then you'll be able to boot to the BIOS but windows will black screen because it will be attempting to use the iGPU as a rendering device when the EC has the dGPU as the rendering device. The hardware for "passthrough" mode simply isn't there.

 

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Sounds like a beast....if this is accurate.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-gs66-stealth-10sgs-gaming-laptop

 

10980HK and a Max Q in a light and thin laptop?
What can possibly go wrong?

There is absolutely zero possibility for that thing to run 4.7 ghz on all cores without reaching 100C. Even the P870 TM-G modded had problems with temps on a 9900k, unless you delidded and modded the heatsink also...

 

IMO, if they had the AMD 4900HS + an Nvidia 20 series Super variant I would go for that, the 7nm on mobile is just too good.

With the 10 series Intel they're pushing too much of desktop like performance onto laptops that don't have that cooling which would mean either you have to undervolt, liquid metal, and max fans again for small form factor where as we saw with the current reviews for the 4900HS from AMD they're capable of delivering performance that beats out the 9K series mobile at stock and with the 8 core variant having to max out fans and at 5GHz still with lower heat and wattage output. And last but not least native 3200 ram.

The cons so far with AMD is still not having native TB, no PCIE 4.0 bandwidth etc... I would wait 1 more generation for each if you have current gen stuff.

Haha yeah, being a techie you'll always want the latest and greatest.. heck I even upgraded my S10 to an S20+ but thats also because I use my phone way more than my desktop/laptop.

Certainly not worth that much especially after seeing the chassis of the GS65 and the cooling capability.. nope.. The only thing I see thats beneficial for me would be a MUX switch but thats just to keep the device to keep using Intel iGPU rather than it switching back and forth with Optimus and trying to figure out what keeps using the dGPU when all you want is the battery saving portion.

 

Looks like some models (though not all as I don't see any of the i9) have posted on newegg (via HIDevolution):
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=msi+gs66
topping out at over $4k, but that's due to the primary & secondary memory upgrades.

Stock/cheapest 2080 Super MaxQ option starts at $2.7K (32GB RAM + 512 NVMe SSD + 300Hz FHD Screen)
Stock/cheapest 2070 Super MaxQ option starts at $2.25K (otherwise identical to 2080 option)
Stock/cheapest 2060 option starts at $1.6K (16GB of RAM and 240Hz FHD Screen)

 

Well to be fair the new 7nm Zen2 laptops are hitting 80-90C+ in Asus laptops with a 2060 or 1660 Ti. So it's not like it's great gaming temps on the AMD side either. But I also agree that thing is gonna fry eggs.

 

So are we thinking the switch is in the BIOS or triggered through software? There sure isn't a physical button in this Matthew Moniz video:

 

The video in the OP shows that it is in Dragon Center.

 

In regards to the new MUX'd ability it appears this won't be MSI exclusive as Nvidia is adding a new Optimus feature that will let all Optimus based laptops switch exclusively to the dGPU via the MSI control panel without the need to reboot. This is really excellent news for laptop owners. MSI may still be providing a physical hardware switch but it looks like it won't be necessary going forward.

 

Anyone know temps? Can’t watch at work right now.
I’m guessing the RTX 2060 is the new slightly faster version? ( whoever names these cards should be fired )
Anyone know what wattage it runs at in this laptop?

 

80 to 90W.

 

Since the mobo is finally on the right side and not flipped is it a complete redesign of the internals with a new cooling solution?
Screen glossy or matte? Gsync a yes or still no
Thanks and can’t wait for the review hopefully its fairly soon.

 

Complete re-design...a little bit thicker, and heavier...new everything including thermals.

Matte.

No G-Sync

No Production systems will be in the USA market until mid-April, so any reviews can only be prototype systems until late-April.

 

Anyone seen what the screen brightness is supposed to be around? Not really feeling Sub-300 nit screens anymore. Lenovo uses 500nit 144hz panels, I'd much rather have 500nits than 240/300hz screens

 

Yes, that is for the GS65...but not for the GS66. From MSI:
"...on GS66, we’ve had the new hardware design to allow the switchable graphics between dGPU only AND the Optimus. Therefore, while setting the dGPU only mode will not show black screen on boot into OS as with the previous models.

This is one of the most game changing feature for the new GS66 model, it supports both NVIDIA Optimus AND the dGPU only by changing via Dragon Center.

GS66 is the first model having such design, any old models will not apply."

 

This covers all MSI systems:
GPU:
RTX 2080 Super - 150W

RTX 2080 MAX-Q Super - 80W

RTX 2070 Super - 115W

RTX 2070 MAX-Q Super - 80W

 

Do all GS66 variants have the MUX?

 

Do we know if they're using Max-Q Dynamic Boost, and if so, up to how many Watts? If it did allow for the max 15W extra from Dynamic Boost, then at 95W the 2080/2070 Max-Q variants should do quite well.

 

I too am curious regarding the specs for the screens. I don't really care about the higher refresh rate as I never play on the internal display, so brightness, color accuracy/reproduction, uniformity, wide viewing angle, light bleed, etc are each far more important for my use-case.

 

Yes

 

Yes, I believe that is correct, but it is limited by MSI to 10W, not 15W.

 

Where did you read the bolded? I haven't seen this anywhere, that Nvidia is bringing such a feature to all Optimus machines.

 

Sounds interesting but since I’ve been away from MSI laptops for a while can you explain this?
Does this happen on all MSI models and GPU’s ?
And is it available always or do you need tp set something like max fans to enable?
Does someone know if the new RTX 2060 will have this feature?

 

IF you take a look and read here, https://www.anandtech.com/show/15692/nvidia-details-dynamic-boost-tech-and-advanced-optimus, that is not entirely the case. Just because there is software that is standard for all new Nvidia cards in Optimus laptops to give it the ability to bypass the iGPU as in switchable multiplexer, that does not mean the OEM's or Companys manufacturing these optimus laptops by default have to include a multiplexer switch in there product, as the article states,

So while OEM's like MSI might be including multiplexer switches in all there laptops going forward it does not mean other manufacturers have to follow suit. Being able to bypass the iGPU with a switch is one of the first things I look for in a gaming laptop before anything else so Im glad there doing something about it. To me, its absurdly counter intuitive to be running the GPU through the iGPU in a gaming laptop, who ever thought up that...Its like a spit in the face to the hobby of mobile gaming and to the people that buy these products to market something and design it compltely different then for the intended audience. If companys were marketing 2 and 3 thousand dollar gaming laptops on the front page of there websites, "Buy are new 3000$ gaming laptop that doesnt even run the GPU directly to the LCD, it has to be bottled necked through the iGPU choking what little headroom we have in laptop performance to begin with", people more then likely wouldnt buy there product.

 

Remember that it was Nvidia that started with this? Nvidia Optimus, which is to further reduce the usage on the battery by shutting down the dGPU and kept all 2D graphics on the IGD. Even though nVidia GPU can operate at lower speed on battery mode but it was still not ideal.
But if demux switch is available I'd rather go with this option instead of Optimus because I get to make the decision on how I operate my system and there's no flaws and compatibility issues to deal with.
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/optimus/technology

 

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