EUROCOM Tornado F5 Mini-MonsterBook Review Thread

Hi,
I have a problem. My 16l comes with a 6700. I have bought a delided 7700k. I have Just installed but it doesn't boot. The laptop power on and the fans work but the screen remains power off and anything else works...

 

Do you think it need bios update?

 

Yes, you need to update your BIOS. Put the 6700 back in, update the BIOS, then swap to the 7700K.

 

OK, I'm looking for bios update but I don't find it...
Where can I download it?

 

It's always best to revert BIOS settings to default settings before swapping to a diff. CPU

 

You'll need to contact the place you bought it from.

 

I noticed that HID uses CLLU only between silicon and lid (ICD everywhere else). Looks like there's an advantage to DIY for this.

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There was a statement a while ago on another owners lounge where i believe one member said that over time the liquid metal pastes become runny over time, and cause short circuiting or other errors, and as they were the ones to apply it they would have to cover it under warranty etc, and they do not want to be liable anymore and have therefore taken away the option for liquid metal between heatsink and ihs

 

^couldnt find a way to input another quote in the edit interface, so here is the post where donald talks about liquid metal paste

 

@Mr. Fox - I'm guessing your fancy electrical taping methods takes care of "runny" CLLU (though honestly I thought CLLU became dry over time).

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CLU never gets runny over time. I've been using it for years and so has Brother @Papusan and Brother @TBoneSan and that's baloney. CLU stays the same consistency except for the part that is exposed to air and that part hardens and forms a seal around the edges. CLU has never once moved from where I placed it.

Conductonaut and Phobya Liquid Metal, and Coollaboratory Liquid Pro start off runny on day one. I will not use those because I think they are too risky. Those running metal TIMs have moved from where I put them and seeing that was enough that I will not use them even though they work extremely well... as good as CLU.

 

Oh yeah... here's this.

 

Nice scores! I noticed you're at 5Ghz on the 7700K, are you getting throttling during the benchmark? I only ask this because based on my 4.6Ghz 6700K score of 14877 yours is 6% more, but theoretically I would have that same score at 4.6Ghz*1.06 = 4.88Ghz. My RAM is a bit faster, so maybe that's making up a small difference. How's the overclock doing on the GTX 1080, have you got any more room there or limited by vBIOS?

 

I believe Mr. Fox's 1080 has custom vBIOS that allows it to go the full 200W. He also has custom and unlocked, one of a kind, Prema BIOS. Hahaha, he doesn't have a "normal" Tornado F5.

 

Thank you! Yes, they are nice scores. I am very pleased with this little 15-inch beast. Nope, no CPU throttling. It holds clocks pretty nicely. Once in a while when the CPU is not under load it will dip a second or two, but never during the physics or combined tests. The biggest challenge is cooling it.

I've been busy with other things and not a lot of free time for fine tuning the overclock lately, and the firmware on this machine is still a work in progress.

I'm not sure how much further I can push the 1080. Probably at least a little bit. There is going to be a limit to what it can pull through the MXM slot without an auxiliary power source to feed it.

 

Right, no CPU throttling, it might be the RAM then that's giving a "slightly lower than expected" 5GHz Physics score. I reckon it could be the high tRFC you have - I know it helps hit higher RAM clocks/tighter timings, but I think I read somewhere that increasing tRFC too far can negate your other performance enhancing efforts. Ah, so you're not vBIOS limited in terms of power draw then, you're just concerned about frying something in terms of drawing too much power through the PCIe slot alone?

 

Oh' No. He isn't scared of frying the hardware It's more the limit due no extra power sources outside the mmx slot.
Btw 4.8GHz should give around 15500 in Firestrike physics with Windoze X and no SLI. I have slower OEM ram, but still get around 15510 in FS physics with [email protected] and +-15800 with 4.9GHz.

 

Yes, that's what I was saying, his Physics score seems low for a 5Ghz overclock - yep, your scores also show that. So, what happens if you try to draw more power than the mmx slot can provide: does the card just show PWR throttling in GPUz, or just GPU throttling, what happens?

 

He can probably squeeze out some more graphics points before the machine turns of due not enough powa for the graphics. Due the physics... Maybe not optimal Nvidia driver used for the machine or not finished tweaking the processor settings. Could also be firmware who still isn't finished.

 

Ah, it would just power off then - at least you'd know you'd managed to tweak the utmost out of it then!

 

Thanks for these posts and videos Mr. fOx.

Eurocom is offering a lot of bang for the buck and I might have to join the club....

 

Another personal best with the Tornado F5...

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11982307

 

Heaven & Valley - Extreme Presets - CPU set at 4.7GHz and GPU running with stock clocks.

 

Mission: Make CMOS Battery Readily Accessible
Purpose: Clear NVRAM on Demand
Status: Mission Completed

OK, now it's really battle-ready. Like a man's laptop.




@Eurocom Support

 

That is slick as hell. Nice job.

 

Thanks for the video update @Mr. Fox

 

OK, I have done more testing to validate the success of the bottom cover mod. The improvement in temps were modest, but combined with other important mitigation steps like a CPU delid and using CLU (perhaps placing a shim on the IHS... still pending at this time) when those steps are combined they work together to achieve better results than any single mod could do by itself. Every little bit helps.

I also debunked the possibility that punching holes over the fans might somehow disrupt an intelligent or mystical engineering measure to channel air internally in a deliberate manner to cool other components. I would certainly not give that much credit to any OEM for having such a commitment to engineering excellence, but the thought or concern that they might have deliberately done so and the benefit of doubt warranted exploration.

So, what I did was ran a series of benchmarks with an original, unmodified bottom cover, then ran the same battery of tests with the modded bottom cover. Here are the results.

I can't embed the video large enough for good viewing thanks to our crappy new Xenforo forum software and all of its functional limitations, so please watch it on my YouTube channel full screen. While you're there, click my "thumbs up" button on as many videos as you can and subscribe to my channel. I've got a playlist going for the Tornado F5 videos.





The screen shots saved from my testing are in the spoiler below if you want to see them. Fair warning: I did not try to make them aesthetically pleasing or organized like I normally do. They are merely documentation. It was easier to be lazy and use Snipping Tool than stopping to record results in Excel along the way.

Spoiler: Testing Screen Shots

Cinebench - Modded Cover

Cinebench - Original Cover

wPrime 1024M - Modded Cover

wPrime 1024M - Original Cover

Heaven 4.0 - Modded Cover

Heaven 4.0 - Original Cover

Fire Strike - Modded Cover

Fire Strike - Original Cover

Sky Diver - Modded Cover

Sky Diver - Original Cover

NVMe & Memory Temps - Modded Cover

NVMe & Memory Temps - Original Cover

 

Excellent GPU score! I think there's some room for improvement on CPU score though, as it's only 1% more than my 6700K at 4.6Ghz - with your CPU at 5Ghz you could be getting in the region of 8% more than me, not sure why it's that low for a 5Ghz overclock. I know we've discussed that before, but this difference is larger than the previous results we discussed - praps there's some room for more optimisation somewhere by Eurocom?

 

Awesome that our Canadian Brothers can buy this little monster from Best Buy now. I wish USA customers had that option. I never thought I would see the day that Best Buy would offer an acceptable option for high performance notebooks. Certainly beats the snot out of anything else they sell.

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Best Buy Canada launches EUROCOM Tornado F5 high-performance laptops available in online store

Spoiler: Open to Read Press Release

Contact:
Braden Taylor
[email protected]
@EurocomTech
613-656-7961

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 high-performance laptop is now available through www.BestBuy.ca.

“We are extremely pleased to offer our high-performance EUROCOM Tornado F5 laptop to Canadians through BestBuy.ca. We have added two different configurations online so users can choose the best performance level for their needs,” says Mark Bialic, Eurocom President.

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 supports NVIDIA GeForce graphics, an Intel Core i7 processor, and four memory slots in a 15.6” chassis for mind blowing performance in a highly mobile chassis.

Being fully upgradeable the EUROCOM Tornado F5 can support a variety of MXM 3.0b graphics cards including next generation NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 and 1060 graphics. Utilizing an Intel Z170 Chipset and LGA1151 socket gives the EUROCOM Tornado F5 the ability to support the Intel Core i7 6000 series up to 6700K as well as the i7-7000 series up to 7700K processors managing up to 64 GB DDR4 memory. Four drives are supported for up to 6 TB of storage with two M.2 SSDs and two HDD/SSD.

The internal components of the EUROCOM Tornado F5 are easily accessible to allow users the ability to upgrade chosen components to increase performance, capacity, and lifespan.

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 is equipped to take full advantage of the desktop Intel processors and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 or 1060 graphics due to their high-quality copper heatsinks, high-speed fans and use of Innovation Cooling Diamond 24 carat diamond thermal compound. Low temperatures in a laptop computer contribute to long-term stability.

Impressive benchmark testing results of the EUROCOM Tornado F5 can be found here: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmarks(384)ec

EUROCOM Tornado F5 Laptops available on BestBuy.ca:
Prepare to be blown away by the EUROCOM Tornado F5. With its Intel i7 processor and 16GB RAM, the Tornado will help you blitz through daily tasks with ease. And when it's time to play, NVIDIA GeForce 1070 graphics with 8GB of memory renders visuals with silky smooth fluidity and sets you up for adventures in virtual reality.

• http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=80bd80d263d74400807b9e27a6693e4ben02

Configuration:
15.6” FHD Display
Intel Core i7-6700k
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
1 TB 7200 rpm HDD
16 GB DDR4 2133 memory
802.11a/b/g/n/ac WLAN
Windows 10
$2359.99​

Get blown away by the EUROCOM Tornado F5. With its Intel i7 processor and 8GB RAM, the Tornado will help you blitz through daily tasks with ease. And when it's time to play, NVIDIA GeForce 1060 graphics with 6GB of memory renders visuals with silky smooth fluidity and sets you up for adventures in virtual reality.

• http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=9d013a35686d7bac03b8de454a1c1bb2en02

Configuration:
15.6” FHD Display
Intel Core i7-6700
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
120 GB Samsung 850 M.2 SSD
1 TB 7200 rpm HDD
8 GB DDR4 2133 memory
802.11a/b/g/n/ac WLAN
Windows 10
$1999.99​

EUROCOM Tornado F5 Specifications:
Display: 15.6-inch FHD 1920-by-1080 pixels or 4K UltraHD 3840-by-2160 pixels; eDP
Chassis: Aluminum Alloy (Back Cover and Top Case) and German manufactured resins (Front Cover and Bottom Case)
Chipset: High-Performance Intel Z170 Express Chipset
Processor: Socket based; LGA1151; up to 91W TDP; choice of Core i7, i5, i3 up to 6700K/7700K.
VGA Technology: upgradeable MXM 3.0; NVIDIA GeForce: GTX 1080, 1070, 1060, 980M, 970M or 965M; up to 150W TDP; discrete GPU only (no Optimus)
Memory: Four 260-pin SODIMM sockets; DDR4-2133/2400/3000/3200; up to 64GB
Storage: up to 3 physical drives: 2x M.2 2280 PCIe x2/x4 or SATA SSD and 1x HDD/SSD (9.5mm) SATA3 6Gb/s; RAID 0/1 with 2x NVMe SSDs.
Card Reader: 6-in-1: UHS-II interface; MMC/RSMMC/SD/mini SD/SDHC/SDXC; Push-Push
Keyboard and Touchpad: Anti-ghosting backlit multi-colour 7-colour keyboard with separate numeric keypad; TouchPad with multi-gesture and scrolling; W/A/S/D Gaming key
Ports: 3x USB 3.0; 1x USB 3.1 type C (Thunderbolt 3); 1x DP 1.2; 1x HDMI 2.0; 1x Headphone; 1x Microphone-in; 1x S/PDIF (digital); 1x Line-in; 1x RJ-45 LAN; 1x DC-in
Audio: High Definition Audio; S/PDIF Digital Output; Built in microphone; Built in two 2W speakers; Sound Blaster X-FI MB3; External 7.1CH output (headphone, mic, line-in and S/PDIF).
Display Support: Supports up to 4 active displays including internal LCD; up to 3840x2160 @ 60Hz
Battery: 8cells; 14.4V 5225mAh/75.24Wh Li-Ion; up to 130 minutes
Weight: 2.92kg / 6.45 lbs w/ battery
Dimensions: 390x266x39.8mm / 15.6x10.64x1.59-inch

About Eurocom:
Eurocom is the leading developer of long lifespan, fully upgradable notebooks, as well as, high-performance mobile workstations and servers since 1989. Eurocom prides itself as an Industry leader in providing ground-breaking technology and continues to engineer innovative solutions that inspire individuals and companies to new growth and development. For more information on Eurocom, please visit us at www.eurocom.com.

Online Resources:
Online Article: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(365)ec
EUROCOM Tornado F5 Benchmarks: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmarks(384)ec

EUROCOM Tornado F5 Product Pages on BestBuy.ca:
• http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=9d013a35686d7bac03b8de454a1c1bb2en02
• http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=80bd80d263d74400807b9e27a6693e4ben02

@Eurocom Support

 

Added two more videos to post #2.

 

The prototype of the modded bottom cover was sent back to @Eurocom Support for further testing and validation, and they saw the same improvements.

 

I put it here
Eurocom Unlocks BIOS In Tornado F5 Gaming Laptop For Overclocking - Tom's hardware.com

 

Hi @Mr.Fox what's that overlay utility you have on the top right corner?

 

AIDA64 Sensor Panel.

 

Display brightness controls are finally working with the 120Hz screen.



A 10% off special starts tomorrow with Eurocom.

 

All I can say to this beast is WOW!!!! nothing can be compared to this gaming laptop on this category

 

Awesome machine! I definitely have F5 envy.

@Mr. Fox - for the inexperienced how steep a learning curve is there to getting the performance numbers you are seeing for the F5? Can a relatively inexperienced (but say handy) user get 95% of the way there without major overhauls? I'm just curious - I know this is an enthusiasts machine so some kind of challenge is expected. I'm also guessing that liquid metal treatment is highly recommended and that is relatively steep for the n00b (like me) to begin with.

 

@FredSRichardson ... you are really referring to the EVOC 16L-G-1080...correct?

 

Okay, yes, HID offers the real solution for n00bs who don't want to navigate hardware tweaking.

But I would still like to know what is involved if someone buys the Eurcom system.

 

Most overclocking tweaks are not too difficult and is fun to learn. Now the hardware mods, those can be a bit more tricky. But if you are comfortable with tools most of the mods aren't bad. Back cover mod, simple if you have a hole saw, the bios battery mod is easy but it requires getting to the underside of the motherboard which takes time and patience. Bios unlock for Vbios is not possible on your own right now. For standard BIOS I would recommend getting it unlocked from factory. Screen replacement is simple and just needs a #0 Phillips head screwdrivew

 

@Mr. Fox
What is the battery life without G-Sync?

 

Hi bro. You know, honestly, I have no idea. I have never checked because battery life is not important to me. I only use it for a built-in UPS. G-sync no longer works because of the aftermarket 120Hz screen upgrade. I also haven't checked this on the P870DM3. I automatically disable G-sync in the global profile and with NVIDIA Inspector because I have no use for it. All it does is lower my benchmark scores. I cannot really see much difference in gameplay quality with or without G-sync.