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My barebone is getting better and better. Sold off my old ram (shipped out today) on ebay and bought 16GB (4 sticks) 1833 hyper-x Kingston HyperX Model KHX1866C11S3P1K2/8G Laptop Memory - Newegg.com Machine is running even faster now.

Prior to memory upgrade (heat / bench) --> http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/650737-official-bareboners-lounge-60.html#post9273978

With MSI branded bios (don't know if it makes any difference vs. whitebook bios), and with the new Geforce 326.19 beta drivers, I'm now able to reach P7495 on 3DMark11.

Graphics: 7531
Physics: 8351
Combined: 6302

With the fans blowing at turbo, max temp was 61 degrees C.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ, MS-1763

All stock. No overclocking what so ever. This is with stock NVIDIA GTX780M vBios. I'm too afraid to overclock I'm willing to try.

Willing to overclock. What would be a good overclock value for a reference / safe test? If you need some baseline OC comparison test, and if it's a safe benchmarking level, I'd be willing to run it with either nvidiainspector or Afterburner.

My rig: GentechPC MS-1763 4700MQ / GTX780M. (ic diamond applied by Gentech <-- Magic!) (I really think I got lucky here. Whoever pasted my rig at Gentech must've been in a very good mood )

Upgrades: ram (16GB 1866mhz ddr3 SODIMM) and Intel Wireless-AC 7260

Mods:
1 internal fan bearng shaft (greased (lithium grease))
2. Anti-vibration foam mod on fan touch points
3. Heat sink vents reenforced / sealed again using addition foam
Link to mods --> http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/650737-official-bareboners-lounge-62.html#post9275810


That's about it...

The score is lower than before. I think it's the drivers. I'm going to revert back to 320.49 drivers to see if it's any better.

Update: using 320.49, I'm getting a pretty big jump from previous scores. ---> http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6886678 Again, the temps never went above 61 degrees in celcius w/ turbo fan on. My ambient temp is: 21 degrees at the moment (79 degrees in F.)

So far, the newest beta degrades performance, at least in my 3DMark11 tests. That over 100 points difference.... As for what that means in a real-world gaming situation, I don't know.. But for the moment, I'm staying away. Sticking with 320.49 until things improve.

added ram isn't doing too much for the physics score either. I've got a slight improvement, but noting to write home about. Perhaps in memory intensive apps, it will make a difference. So far, not seeing too much improvement sover 1600mhz rams (12GB). But, I'm happy with the purchase. Will now be running with no paging file :thumbsup:

Ciao!

Update: Ran 3DMark11 Once more. This time score jumped higher to P7632
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6887089

Graphics Score 7707
Physics Score 8418
Combined Score 6296


Also, ran PassMark PerformanceTest 8.0 for the first time. --> http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8/display.php?id=10875515625

Is this pretty good score without OC?

 

Very nice MSI_Lover! I want to mod my machine too so I will consider your mods!

 

Interesting! I too tested the new NVidia beta drivers today...... still with 1600 DDR3, check out my 3DMark11 score HERE!

 

@ryzeki I'd highly recommend it. Mods are very easy to do.

 

Oh Ok, I guess MSI_Lover didn't find it interesting that our 3DMark11 scores were precisely the same, LOL!

 

Anyone getting the "driver stopped responding but recovered" crash with NVIDIA beta 326.19?

 

Check this out kiddies http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi...id-metro-bring-back-start-menu-right-way.html

I want 1000 thanks and 1000 rep power points within 24 hrs

 

Turn off your turbo fan and try this home made laptop cooler:

 

Just loaded vantage and got my first score...


NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4900MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz, MS-1763

 

Remove Bud Light and replace with any IPA for optimal performance.

 

You might be a redneck if....

Love it!!!

 

The newer NVIDIA drivers work much better under windows 8.1. I believe they've taken the windows 8.1 driver branch and made it more compatible with regular windows 8, which is IMO, 'backwards' Under Windows 8.1, install went smooth, and I was able to reach the highest Pscore on 3Dmark11 (P 7659). You can see the details here --> http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...ta-326-19-released-18th-july.html#post9293660

In a nutshell, this new driver works best, and performs best under windows 8.1 preview. Not sure what it is about Windows 8.1... Better optimization, different DirectX perhaps? (11.2 perhaps?) But so far, at least on 3DMark, Windows 8.1 is the fastest.

Windows 8.1 (stock clocks w/ fan at turbo) i-7 4700mq + gtx780M

PScore 7659
Graphics Score: 7727
Physics Score: 8479
Combined Score: 6328

 

Your engineering skills and innovation never ceases to amaze me Ken! Awesome! My choice would have been Belgian Strong Ale, but I absolutely LOVE where you are going with this! Ya know, I am still using the MSI notebook repair kit you sent me 2-years ago...... can't live without it, really marvelous work!



What would I do without you Ken?

VERY NICE vector7..... but, please tell us the conditions of the benchmark..... what OC tools used, if any, etc. Also, Vantage is an older DX10 benchmark, and as such, is not optimized for WIN 8. For this it needs to be upgraded to version 1.1.2, HERE, and the SYS INFO file needs to be upgraded to version 4.19, also HERE. Try this, and please post your scores again.

 

I have only XTU and Afterburner, all stock voltages and bios, no vmods.

Running it the exact same way as 3Dmark2011:

 

Ok, so you ran Vantage with XTU and AfterBurner, right? So now, what do your scores look like after upgrading Vantage and System Info to the latest versions? Have you done this yet?

 

working on it...

 

..... and if you don't mind, could you do a screenshot like so......

View attachment 99391

...... so we can see your temps & settings too?

THX!

 

Lol, I could do with an ice cold beer.....

I think we have overclocking in the unlocked bios figured out now at least on the non extreme edition CPUs too

 

Here you go....


NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4900MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz, MS-1763

 

Not great at screen captures

Did not get the whole screen on my 30249 run, only the web page score before I closed everything and noticed it.

I did get one of the previous run I had at 30148.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4756640



To get 30249 I only upped the Memory speed to 483 from 475.

 

:thumbsup:

 

You are still using version 1.1.0 of Vantage, instead of the updated version 1.1.2. Also, if you use the Windows 'Snipping Tool', it makes easy work of grabbing those screenshots.

Anyhow, thanks for the effort.... you'll get the hang of it.

 

Well the newer version is giving even better scores.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4900MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz, MS-1763

 

You tried pushing your 4900MQ a little further with a little base clock tuning? How are you finding the temps setting it to 4.2ghz?

 

Anything beyond 4.2 on this CPU is not rock solid set and forget stable at stock voltages.

Unless you want to apply a lot more vcore it will be diminishing returns with noticeably more heat.

Not seeing any temp spikes, even at 4.2.

I cranked up the min% too 100 in the power settings so it idles at 4.0-4.2 to test for temperatures.

Been messing around with Heaven DX11 Benchmarking...

 

Excellent. GPU still running cool and CPU temperature are also very good with OC.

 

Those are awesome scores!

 

I just noticed this.. I've tested HDMI before on my 60" TV, but never realized it was straight pipe to GT780M. I've tested this on both Win 8 and Win 8.1. When connected via HDMI, the intel IGP doesn't seem to work, the scaling options and everything else is all handled via NVIDIA. Some may like this feature, but man, this sucks for me.. I was hoping to get a nice HDMI display (24" or bigger), but this means, higher power draw, as I don't see a way to use Optimus when plugged in through HDMI.

I hope I'm wrong on this, and if someone here knows a way to use Optimus w/ bigger / external screen, please let me know. I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.

 

Got around to running 4.0 under the same conditions as above.



Been comparing the scores to this review...

Eurocom X5 Notebook Scores P33098 in 3DMark Vantage with GeForce GTX 780M | VideoCardz.com

 

Mine does the same when hooked to a 24" monitor via hdmi... I haven't tried vga or display port but I'd assume the same. I still don't see it as that big of deal however as the 780m will only be running at reduced clocks while doing desktop 2d basic stuff. Mine in this scenario stays in the 40's temp wise with essentially no load. Fan speeds are the same.

I'm pretty sure my Asus G46 does the exact same thing, but I'd have to check. Maybe it's an optimus thing?

On the flipside battery life is great, I'm getting 4+ hours and not even fully draining while working on the go.

 

Thanks for the feedback. 4+ hours on HDMI? Also, are you using the unlocked vBios? If so, is it possible to drive down minimum core / memory speeds even further. That would be a great solution. This way I can create a power plan via Nvidia Inspector and set the core / memory clocks much lower at start up. And have another power plan via Nvidia Inspector for gaming sessions...

Also, do you have 3D vision? Does it work with these laptops when paired with 3D panel via HDMI?

 

I just run a bench for my 780m just to test her(+135-+480)stock volt:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz,PowerNotebooks MS-1763
and I think I can go further up more....
my gpu score is perfect but my physics are so low....
I order 16gb kingstone hyper-x 1866mhz just to see differences.
if I don't oc the card my physics are 8450-8560
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6894856
and I used the quide from brother VECTOR 7(many thanks)
Maybe its the gt70 bios and EC??
But im good

 

I think I was a bit confusing in my last post... I have never run it with HDMI to external monitor on battery! I was commenting that I get great battery life using Optimus while mobile on the go, so it's a fair compromise I'm ok with! Sorry I worded it oddly.

Yes, I am using the modified vBIOS from Tech Inferno, so far it's been totally stable and reliable. It does allow both raising and lowering voltage and clocks, but I haven't tried it with 2D desktop clocks/powerstates... I have gamed some with it undervolted/underclocked as I was curious about temps/performance, and the vBIOS does enable real time slider changes both ways in NVInspector. It also allows adjustment of Power/Temperature targets in version 1.9.7.2. I'd be curious myself about the results on desktop powerstate, not sure if svl7 touched that option.

And no, I don't have 3D Vision, just a cheap LG monitor I picked up on sale for office use

That's surprisingly low on Physics, but you say it's in the 8k range without overclocking the gpu? Is battery installed, Hybrid enabled (does the little app show a big yellow bar and on?), and gaming mode set in System Control Manager? Sounds like a definite power issue. But, on a positive note that's a great score for the Graphics!

I struggle to see the faster memory changing this, but it'll definitely be faster.

 

Ok 2 things here:

1 - Last night I watched 3 episodes of Orange is the new black (~45 min each) via hdmi and it drained the battery to about 30% so do the math. Even without optimis, the battery life when doing 2d or video is quite good! But as far as I understand this is the first notebook series where the HDMI and display port are all piped DIRECTLY through the 780m. On earlier models, the external ports still went through the IGP where this does not.

2 - I had a slight fan noise coming from my fan. Powernotebooks send me another one, this time one branded with T&T. MUCH MUCH MUCH quieter! I think the TT fan is the better choice here

 

The gpu is oc +135mhz,+480mhz on stock bios volt.
well the battery is on, and I didn't install from the cd the application that allows me to switch from gaming mode,eco.... what a noob....lol
How can I see if the Hybrid you say is enabled??
On the other hand yea nice gpu score I have....lol

 

8711...you beat my graphics score!!!

VERY NICE!!! :thumbsup:

 

well I wish I had your physics score:thumbsup:......

 

I think you can still get more out of it.

Where is that?

I'm searching where to find similar adjustments in the system to increase video performance while on the battery.

 

For some reason and I'm not quite sure why but I have to think it's "NOS" hybrid power related, selecting "Gaming" mode in the SCM makes quite an improvement in 3DMark11 scores, and I have to assume performance in general. Also, I've got the "Hybrid Power" program installed, which when running adds a little box to the taskbar warning not to unplug, and also has a bar graph showing when hybrid power is enabled or turned off based on CPU load.... it came pre installed but I'm sure it's available on the download site. With gaming mode set, hybrid app running, and the svl7's vBIOS, here's a run I made for comparison:
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16F4

Physics score is still not as fast as I've seen for other 4700's, but it is consistent whether I overclock the GPU or run stock speeds. Try Gaming mode and if that doesn't do it, try installing the Hybrid program.... have fun!

 

Lol, same here.. i went to bigfoot boot manager and change settings multiple times, even changed it to display for only 1 second but it will reset after a restart. wont save at all.. tbh i pissed at that message appearing in start. can any of you 1762 bareboners shed a light on this pretty please?

 

I have formatted many many times and ran Windows 7/Windows 8/Windows 8.1 with and without hybrid or SCM installed and i can tell you that leaving those not installed and just setting your machine to high performance will yield the same results. I initially even thought having Hybrid installed was helping but have since discovered it does nothing more then show you its running after having extensively tested all these different scenarios with and without all this stuff installed.

Balanced mode is broken in Windows 8 but works fine in 7 and 8.1 preview. So in balanced mode i can get the same exact scores in every benchmark as high performance and i mean every single one but the benefit of balanced mode is that the CPU will idle at 800mhz when doing nothing and this is a big deal to me and always has been.

So if you guys ever do a fresh install and feel like running some benchmarks before you install Hybrid and or SCM you can see for yourself.

SCM overrides to some extent the Windows Power Profiles so that is why we saw a jump of performance from Balanced (ECO Mode) to Gaming because Balanced in Windows 8 is broken unlike Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 where they fixed it again.


The reason we even need SCM is really to Enable/Disable things like Bluetooth/Webcam . The rest for the power thing is rather useless unless you like to use their movie mode etc.

 

Thanks for the run down guys, all good things to know and what your OS is doing in the background before testing.

http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GT70-2OD.html#download

 

I feel the same way. I've saw SCM as nothing but eye-candy that eats up resources. Without SCM we lose 2 things on the barebone models:

1. P1 button / programming function (if someone knows how to access without SCM, and share with us, that would be great!

2. Display on / off function.
( I can get this by using Nirsoft 'Nircmd') --> NirCmd - Windows command line tool )
I have a short cut setup that just disables it. Again, if someone knows how to access this via EC (similar to fan control tool), that would be awesome!

3. Eject button. I have no need for this since I don't use optical drive, but have hdd caddy there. And even if I were to use the optical drive, the hardware eject button works just fine :thumbsup:

I like my machine as clean as possible at all times.

 

OK that makes more sense (+4 hr battery life w/ HDMI) I thought you were referring to just regular optimus battery performance)... BTW: have you tried to the new 326.29 drivers? ---> http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m18x/726094-nvidia-326-29-dev-drivers.html

Does this driver also require the modded inf and drive signature enforcement turned off when using OC unlocked vBios? I've tested the driver (stock vbios) and it installs just fine and very stable under windows 8.1. Performance is same with the 326.19, but I did read somewhere that it has additional hardware IDs updated. Not sure if that includes the universal firmware used on unlocking the vBios over at Tech Inferno. Be great to know. I have the bios sent to me by a friend here on the forum, but never used it. Don't want to until infs no longer needs modding, and until I can confirm that GT70-2 models will actually use the larger power supply rather than tapping the battery via NOS system. I am still skeptical that by simply putting higher wattage psu will bypass the NOS system. My hunch is that NOS system will activate regardless based on power-draw above 180 - 220 watts range... I guess a good way to test it would be to remove the battery and run it on AC power only and see what happens...

 

Anyone feel like taking a break from overclocking and looking into this?? Ive tried every setting. Nothing seems to save at all.

 

Performance goes down when battery is removed with my larger Dell 240 Slim PS. It appears at least for now, there is no way around using the NOS and the system does not fully utilize the larger PSU. I am holding out hope that MSI will eventually release and option for us to turn on or off the NOS system and allow the system to utilize larger PSU. Maybe false hope though. I feel its very limitiing for those hoping to upgrade eventually to a 4930mx. The power limit is already felt using my 4900MQ, and will definitely show little to no benefit if you can't OC the 4930mx.

 

Thanks for that confirmation. It makes perfect sense. Because If I was MSI, I would probably implement it this way as well, unless the PSU is smart enough to communicate with the laptop. I suspect this may be (hopefully) controlled within the bios somewhere (perhaps hidden). Sensible thing is to monitor the power intake and based on the limits reached, then kick the NOS in. So if it is implemented this way, then I didn't think adding a bigger PSU would make any difference what so ever...

Hopefully someone will figure this out... Perhaps there's a 'power / wattage target' set somewhere?

Also, unless MSI is actually ready to release a larger PSU for themselves, I just don't see how MSI will ever fix this issue. Why would they? It opens doors wide open to extreme overclocking and creates slew of support issues and potential liability issues. What started out as a positive feature, is quickly becoming a huge roadblock (NOS) for overclockers....

Anyhoo, it is what it is...

 

Haven't tried or even seen the Dev drivers until your link, but the 326 betas still require a modded inf for the TechInferno vBIOS.

 

Yep i just modded and tried them and they dont have the memory bug that 326.19 has. Seem the same otherwise to every driver i have tested. Ran various benchmarks and everything is similar/same as usual.

I never expect much from new drivers quite frankly because generally speaking they just fix various bugs and occasionally bring some performance to certain titles. I test them most on stuff that has poor utilization from optimus.

 

memory bug??