Linsux.org

http://linsux.org/

Have fun !!

 

Zoid,
Its funny you post that site. I just recently found that site and I have been going there for the last week and just reading the various threads. I can understand some of what they say and I agree that there is a lot of stuff that needs to be fixed in Linux. I agree with the comments of some that say that the focus needs to be on increasing stability of programs and not just creation of new features. Also I think the Linux and opensource community could be more welcoming of newcommers. I think this Linux board is very good with that.

But some of the people on that site are off the deepend too

 

On the same topic... here's a 'presentation' on why 'linux sucks':
http://lunduke.com/?p=429

It's somewhat lame.

I found it linked browsing a certain linux hater's blog. I'll leave it to the reader to google it at their discretion since it is not safe material for me to be linking to here (as opposed to the above vid which is 100% clean).

 

Interesting....good link...

 

just be warned that the Linsux guys do play hard...*and* you better have a sense of humour...or rather moreso a thick skin....

 

You are right. The lead mod chews out a lot of people.

 

Linsux.org is Powered by FreeBSD, guys. That's your entry point. BSD stinketh like the nethermost orifices of unwashed Berkley tree lovers.

Go forth and spring the flames of wrath!

 

Headed over there right now.....LOL

 

Well, funny site
As for what they say ... recently my desktop home box broken - mobo screwed, so i bought flashy, shiny new from msi.
I tried to install xp pro 64 bit (6gb ram)..... after sound driver install whole system crashed.... I know my stuff, administering computer networks for quite a time ... but no help here ...
This only documents one thing - if you got screwed with windows, you're screwed for good.
With linux, i can always try other distro, kernel, forums .... here, in this case ...? Bleh! Standard support answer - have you tried to turn it off an on again?!? LOL LOL ...
So i just used windows 7 64 bit.
What i have? ONE PAID OS that not work at all .... So much for driver support for windows ...
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Yeah, I know a couple Linux haters/burnouts. Both of them are 30+ years old, have families, and gave up on Linux some years ago, and now are Mac and Windows users, respectively. Their beef is that Linux was a waste of time, unproductive, etc.

I feel a little bad disagreeing with them, since they did try it themselves, but when they go so far as assuring me (in a belittling tone of voice) that "It's just a phase," and "You'll get over it," I feel no remorse in drawing their attention to how much Linux has improved, because, as they should know, that's what Linux does. They seem to feel cheated.

Yep, that's right... my wireless worked out of the box.

 

But the point of Linsux is not to all go in there and rant and rave about how bad Linux is in your typical Linux Youth manner (Linux teh suck111!!! Windows RULEZ!!!!111!) its a place to actually discuss properly the flaws of Linux and the FOSS community without people bombing in your threads about how you have no idea if you dont worship RMS and all that other zealotry that you find at other Linux forums.

Lets face it, there are flaws in the GNU, flaws in the FOSS movement and its hostile attitude towards non FOSS people and alternative veiwpoints, flaws in the Linux operating system (that it is STILL unable to take a sizeable market share from Windows and to a lesser extent Apple) that the Linux community as a collective are like a bunch of sheep at times, and not everyone involved with Linux or FOSS likes RMS....

All of the members there use Linux, all of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to Linux, and they are not going to tolerate people going in there purely to smash Linux, then again I was a member as I agree with the sentiment behind the site, but I just found the attitude and language in use was a bit too much for me personally - but I do agree with the sentiment behind the site.

 

The biggest complaint I have about linux is the lack of linearity across distributions. There are so many distributions out there that it can become really confusing for anyone who wants to try out linux. Distrowatch seems to add another 10 distributions every month or so for christ's sake! And most of them aren't compatible with each other.

Also the lack of a universal packaging system can be frustrating too. If there was one central packaging system employed universally across all distributions, it would definitely raise adoption rates. APT in all distributions would be a huge advantage for linux as a whole.

Unfortunately, there are too many distributions that want to compete rather than integrate and it causes segregation in the linux community and a new user to linux would probably be pretty frustrated downloading what they think is an application that just "installs" and finding out that its just a bunch of files with instructions on how to "build" it. Your average computer user has a hard enough time figuring out how to download and install something in the first place without having to deal with building packages, getting the right package for their distribution, dealing with broken dependencies, etc. It can be downright frustrating.

 

Totally agree with the above.

If there's one thing that would help Linux the most, would be an united userbase and standard main subsystems. Standard video system (but that's already partly working), standard SOUND system (that's the biggie), and standard package manager.

But what do they do instead - 10 new distros every month like you said, and when someone suggest an improvement to a part that the devs believe it's just fine, you're basically told to fu*k off. I've experienced it myself with the fonts. I can't stand the default linux fonts, they're killing my eyes. After a long search, i found the Droid fonts to be much better. But it seems like the only way to get them accepted would be to create my own distro. Maybe not necessarily make them default, but at least ship them with the distro. They are open source, so what's the problem?

I've said it on several occasions on various forums, and i will say it again: Open-source software is pointless if it's written by people with closed minds.

 

That's the problem really, not so much the extra or increasing number of distributions. It's the attitude of so many devs. They get something to work FOR THEM and if there are issues for other projects, the attitude is, 'oh well.' Also, the 'united' thing applies, too. If they are going to be so fractured, they are missing some opportunities on some cohesive work which sometimes help. Although, some might argue a larger organization might have too many obstacles trying to get people to agree on certain things. Lastly, another problem that exists that I think needs to be addressed also goes back to the their attitudes: when there is a problem in Windoze, Mikeysoft demands their developers fix it! But, in Linux, it seems the attitude is, I'll fix it how I want and when I want. There is not a sense of urgency and that can be a good thing. But, there is not a lot of incentive to fix it for 'others.' There is a lot of pride, it seems, but some seem to be satisfied for fixing whatever for their own liking. At least, that seems to be the perception of some users. Why wouldn't it be?

 

This is when you stop talking about Linux, and start talking about GNU and GPL-driven development. Linux itself has been standardized fundamentally from its core. The software stack that runs on it? Not so much.

Every developer has his own idea of what how the system should be designed, and by virtue of the open-source paradigm, each has the ability to implement their software however they wish. Now, I understand that such a design would have distinct disadvantages, but it also has clear advantages over Cathedral-model design. It's like music. Compare Clementi's strict, pleasant Sonatas with the more primal, emotive cadences of jazz, and you will have a good idea of the contrast between open-source and capital-driven development paradigms. The drawbacks and weaknesses of each are as much a consequences of their identity as their greatest strengths.

The point is moot.

 

The point isn't really moot - Microsoft has long-time unfixed bugs too, but most of them are due to 3rd party companies not wanting to support their stuff anymore. As large as MS is, they can't do everything on their own - or the other companies' EULAs restrict them from doing so. In contrast, most of the annoying Linux bugs are a result of "i don't give a flying squat about that".

I still think the Linux devs' mentality is the system's biggest drawback. And not all open source software is the same - look at Firefox for example. They listen to their userbase and that has allowed them to grow steadily - just look at the number of really awesome extensions. I'm an Opera user, but i have used Firefox in the past, and for those who need extra gadgets and gizmos in their browser it is heaven, it's particularly useful for web design.

 

I thought the whole point of Linux was it's flexibility. What people hate about it is the very thing that makes it what it is.

Edit:

The powered by BSD logo makes this site golden.

 

Hilarious forum! I will show this to my friend because he loves Linux. I'm sure he will get pretty upset and try to do anything in his power to prove them wrong.