Discuss Jaunty Jackalope!

Jaunty Jackalope is up on Ubuntu website and I'm downloading right now.

 

I've been running the Beta, then the RC, and now I'm burning the Final to CD. By far the best edition yet of Ubuntu, IMO. I am using EXT4, despite the relative instability of the filesystem.

 

Downloading right now, will have it installed sometime later today.

 

Would this be a good time/os for me to start learning ubuntu/linux?

 

downloaded the alternate cd so I could upgrade from it, and now it's downloading packages. Seems like it kind of defeats the purpose of downloading the alternate cd, only to make you download all the packages anyways. Oh well.

 

This, or wait for Mint Linux.

 

Messing with it now and all I can say is WOW!

It is one heck of an OS, everything just works!
The boot speed is also amazing!
Its probably too early to judge but I think its finally surpased Winblows.

Looks like a storm is blowing into Microsoft.

 

Unfortunately, I have to deal with the effects of ATi deciding to discontinue fglrx for anything below the HD2xxx series.

And thus, I am staying with 8.10.

 

Upgrading my virtual machine now... besides the new themes, however, Jaunty appears to be a minor/gradual release. I must say that the new look and notification system is welcome, though.

 

Been running it for a few weeks as beta and rc. So far I've been having a blast. I will be switching to the the 64bit version tonight.

The last few years my laptops have been so new that running linux has been kind of a pain in the butt, especially the 64bit stuff. 9.04 seems to have finally caught up with my hardware though. No major defeaters or hassles so far.

I stayed up late last night to see if they'd release but it was available via torrent about 7:30 a.m. or so.

 

ATI has discontinued support for the older cards because they're a completely different architecture than the newer stream-processor based chips. It simplifies the driver development, and allows them to make more radical improvements. If you want fglrx for your card, just install the older version. It'll still install on 9.04. You wouldn't expect NVidia to support all the new features in the original GeForce forever, would you? Things change.

Besides, the open-source driver is going great guns ahead. That's most of why they dropped it. Everything below the HD2XXX series has decent open-source acceleration any more. Enough to run Compiz and many games, and it's enabled by default in 9.04. I have an x1250 in my desktop, and it runs decently with the desktop effects and such with the open source driver. ATI is also committing at least two full-time employees to nothing but developing the open-source driver... it's the way forward. Especially considering how much fglrx sucks for video.

 

Really? So that warning that popped up was bogus? I know ATi is going to have to discontinue something sometime, I just didn't expect it to be so soon.

 

Really fast boot time, from start of the virtual machine to usable is ~50sec-1min. Nothing really else to remark on, every release generally has the same software what whatnot. The notification system looked nice. Noticed some program called Computer Janitor or something - I think that ones new. Installed the Linux Mint Gloria gnome-metapackage overtop for fun, still workin okay.

 

much better network management. with intrepid, i had intermittent problems connecting automatically to my wireless upon boot... with jaunty, it's flawless.

 

I just got back from school and installed it. I have to figure out compiz, trackpoint scrolling, my new printer, and.. that's it. Almost everything just works out of box flawlessly. Also booting is ridiculously fast, esp. with concurrency enabled.

For those of you who still don't know how to enable concurrency boot, here:

So far I love it and it was worth waiting.

 

I'm putting Jaunty on my Asus.....I've finished a Ubuntu torrent, but can't get a Kubuntu torrent....anyone else?

 

Best Ubuntu release ever. Works really good on my EEE's slow 4GB SSD (with Ext4 file system), dual boots great with Win 7, and with the specific EEE drivers downloaded from Synaptic PM everything is good.

BTW, does anyone know how to disable hibernate in Ubuntu like in Windows to save space?

 

Thanks for the heads up! I'm going to start downloading on our incredibly slow connection.

I'll put this on my laptop, and download 64-bit Slackware maybe for the desktop.

 

for 64bit, Slamd64 is what most of the Slackers are using as far as I can see.

 

Well windows crapped on my today, making me lose an ebay listing and some homework in progress so I'm angry at MS now

Here I come linux---------->>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

used it on the live cd and its a lot faster than previous editions i may have to install it and see how much quicker it is but im waiting for linux mint 7 lol

 

I'm really liking 9.04, but i have a weird bug.

If i download video from online and try to play it with movie player it keeps crashing the program (mostly stream video) mplayer works fine and i'll have to make that my default i guess.

But other than that one glitch i love it. Very fast ext4 and i love the new theme to it.

Already looking forward to 9.10

 

I tried to fix compiz, but found out that Intel X3100 is blacklisted due to a bug that freezes X.

 

Who said that Linux has 'surpassed' Windows? What does that mean?

Linux still has MAJOR MAJOR problems with wireless and sound among other things.

Plus, many Linux users don't realize there are more choices than Gnome and Ubuntu.

 

I will bitel..lol

Well *nix does offer more choice than Windows, and gives you TOTAL control over your operating system environment - as for surapssing Windows go and have a look in the server industry and see what Linux is like there compared to Windows...Linux servers are some of the most widely used server systems around....As a desktop - no I don't think it is ready to topple Windows as the OS of choice, but its in a position now where it can be a viable alternative for a lot more PC users rather than just computer geeks

No *nix does not have MAJOR MAJOR problems with wireless and sound as you put it. I could also argue that Vista also has issues with wireless here (ask me how many times I lose my wifi connection on Vista for no reason other than software issues....- google the internet sometime and see what people say about Vista and wireless....)

You can hardly blame ALL *nix distro's for a lack of wireless support on some cards - its VERY well documented what models do and don't work and have support and/or workarounds.

Ah thats right you have had issues in past postings about Ubuntu and KDE....

You are kidding though aren't you? - many *nix users know about things like Slackware, Gentoo, Crunchbang Linux, Sabayon, Mint, Puppy, KDE, Openbox, Enlightenment, XFCE, openSUSE, Fedora, Debian shall I go on? You need to rephrase that to say 'many Windows users trying Ubuntu' Personally I prefer XFCE or Openbox....

Ubuntu is just a very good starting point for people who have chosen for themselves to give a Linux distro a go. It has an excellent support community (which is rather newbie friendly and doesnt seem to suffer the 'Google is your friend' attitude some other distro forums have..lol), has regular releases, it might not have as much hardware support out the box as say, openSUSE, but its getting there, and its built on Debian whose packaging system and 'apt' is very easy to use and learn for a new Linux user.

As for Gnome - plenty of people have responded to you in the past about Gnome and Ubuntu - plenty of other distro's out there based on Gnome.....

 

Jaunty was supposed to make huge strides in OOB power management.
Any news on this?
Is linux ready to be my laptop's primary OS?
Windows XP, out of box: 8 Hours
Xubuntu 8.10 + tweaking: 4 Hours
How's 9.04 looking so far, folks?

 

I second that on Xfce....to me it's what gnome used to be, or should be whatever....I use it with Slack by choice. I'm using Gnome right now on my Asus A8js (Ubuntu 9.04 x64) just to see what's what and what's different. Seems pretty fast on this 2 yeer old lappy....no problems with x64 so far. I'll probably go to Xubuntu x64. Boot up time is amazing, and finally, FINALLY, they:

Got rid of that Eye Searing Brown after login !!!!

 

That's so good, i have heard lots about this new Ubuntu release around. This "marketing" is so good as it ends up encouraging people to try it
Ubuntu is a great starting point for new users. And right now it seems to be perfectly suitable for "I don't like Windows but use it because am not sure if I can survive anything else" people. I know many.

That's just it for us, fellow x1600er.

Though i'm still using that last working catalyst at Arch without any software issues. (Only some heat, fan and <1h battery life @ 9 cell issues that i have already searched for long enough to assume it has no solution).
It should work on Ubuntu aswell then...

 

I get the impression 9.04 is so wicked awesome... I think I'll put 64-bit on the desk, try out KDE at some point, and research Slack and Arch and all that good stuff.

 

Actually, compared to a standard Windows installation, Ubuntu supports FAR more hardware than Windows does. I haven't heard of any recent sound issues, pulse audio seems to have been worked out. Wireless is usually point and click to enable.

Windows, on the other hand requires a driver CD and a free few hours.

 

Ubuntu even found my wifi-networked printer and installed the drivers for me...about a thousand times easier than installing it on windows with the cd and stuff.

 

Okay, that's a huge debate that I don't want to get into. But, from my perspective, I see businesses still decide to PAY for Windows stuff rather than go with a Linux/Unix-based system. There might be Linux servers but businesses still pay for Windows software and their operating systems. Some businesses even use Windows servers because they have a deal for other Windows crap and don't want to pay for new training. Also, they go with what is familiar. Anyway, that's an argument that can go either way. I have read about many of the servers being Linux so I agree with you there.

You're totally wrong here.

I don't care about Vista. But, from what I observe and read, Windows users have less trouble with wireless than Linux. Even 'clueless computer users' get their wireless to work with Windows. One of the main reasons is that the wireless hardware manufacturers produce and create Windows drivers for their devices. So, it is just reasonable to assume they probably have an easier time of it, overall. That's not to say that the Windows stuff works well but overall, the wireless situation is BETTER!

Sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about regarding that. There are charts and sites that outline Linux compatibility whereas there is nothing ANYWHERE that lists Windows compatibility because, for the most part, there is no need to.

Also, the manufacturers have deals with Microsoft and Microsoft has a MAJOR need (selfish or otherwise) to ensure the hardware works. There are people getting paid to make sure they work. For Linux, many/most (?) are volunteers. The incentive is different. Not to mention, in many cases, they have to reverse engineer stuff. It's kinda hard when the source info isn't readily available. Even when it's open source, there aren't as many people working on it and the pay scale is probably different.

For the workarounds and documentation, much of it is often outdated and doesn't go into specific detail. When you hit a snag, there are many cases when it doesn't help.

As for sound, PulseAudio is a major PITA. There are threads on the Ubuntu forums suggesting to uninstall the whole thing and threads that explain what to do.

I have seen first hand, PulseAudio break and you can only restore sound if you reboot. I've read countless reports of sound especially Pulseaudio but also ALSA problems. There are people who ask questions about which sound cards to get and which ones are most compatible with Linux. Again, sound is one of the main issues in Linux and the problem is there doesn't seem to be much in the way of progressive change. At the very least, it is very slow. Perhaps, wireless and sound/audio needs to be stressed more?

Anyway, you probably won't agree with me and just want to argue because you are a die-hard Linux user, perhaps. I prefer Linux and don't like Microsoft but I think I am openminded and will give credit where credit is due. I don't blindly support anything but I hope that Linux wireless improves. Anytime Linux makes strides, I think it is great.

I'm not kidding, just being sarcastic. It's just that Ubuntu is overly concentrated on and is always the distro that people seem to promote. Ubuntu also has a KDE desktop and also a distro that is based on the fact that KDE is installed, Kubuntu, but it seems to never be promoted or suggested. Even Fedora has a KDE version. I don't have any reason to favor it except that my previous experience with Gnome and Ubuntu was pretty lousy but I don't like when one system is so heavily favored over another. Linux is about choices so at least suggest other alternatives is what I'm proposing.

Both Gnome and KDE are often the default desktops so it's good to try them both to see what you like and at least, you can say you have tried/experienced both.

XFCE is probably good, too, but I haven't tried it to a great extent. I mostly choose one of KDE or Gnome just because most of the software is geared towards one or the other although I know you can use most programs with either.

 

When I fresh install Ubuntu, I have to install..
Wireless
Updates - that are usually 10 to 15 of them 3 months after the release
Codecs
Printer - which its driver is automatically installed in 9.04
... and even with some necessary tweakings and playing around, it takes only about half an hour to configure it up to my satisfaction.

Now when I fresh install Windows XP on my custom-build desktop, I also need to install...
Anti-virus/spyware
Mainboard chipset software
Wireless
About a hundred of security updates + SP3 + more security updates followed
Graphics
Sound
MS Office
Web browser (preferably FF3)
Codecs
Printer
... and if I include defragging after all those installations, which is highly necessary, it takes about 5 hours for the system to be completely usable.
Especially for those who have a copy of WinXP w/o any special pack included, fresh install is a NIGHTMARE.

And still, WinXP's boot time is as twice long as Jaunty?

I think it surpassed Windows by far, in terms of flexibility and simplicity.

 

The boot time is much faster, and I'm quite glad to see that wireless now works out of the box, but my sound doesn't work anymore. It used to be a simple issue of enabling Front and PCM, but that doesn't work anymore. Does anybody else here have similar issues?

 

Things in Windows work. They might take a while but it works. You notice how many posts in various Linux forums about wireless not working?!? Tons.... But, then again you fan boys only care about your own crap.

 

Technically that is the beauty of linux... as long as it works for me i dont have to care if it works for anyone else. But on the flip side there is a HUGE community of people that are available to help becuase they want to and get nothing from it.

And no things dont "just work" with Windows (of any flavor). While i will say that windows is still better than Ubuntu (and most linux distros) at complete compatibility, there are more than a small number of things that dont work. People wouldnt have to ask for help on Windows machines if everything "just works"

But that isnt really windows doing so much as microsofts. Companies in the vast majority of cases code for either Windows or Mac. So linux doesnt get the support from the hardware developers like the other two OS's do. But even with next to no support linux still is compatible with more things than Macs are and is pretty close to Windows.

But then again i'm not a fanboy of any OS. I quite like them all just each for different reasons.

 

Things in Windows work because all drivers are provided by 3rd party. Some things don't work on Linux because some manufacturers just like to ditch everything other than Windows. You wouldn't blame on Windows if there was no Windows driver for a certain device.

Also let me clarify here. I'm NOT, in any form, a linux fanboy. As you can see in my sig, I use both Windows and Ubuntu. WinXP is awesome and it well suites my needs. It was released in 2001, and it's still going strong with a lot of devoted users. I mean, what kind of OS maintains major market share for 8 straight years?

 

Yes, exactly, the third party but also like I said, they probably have deals with Mikeysoft. As there are more closed source drivers than Open Source.

There is a lot of potential for Linux but it is annoying to no end to try and receive support from forums since that is your only recourse (for the most part) but then you read posts like 'I did X and it works for me!!!!' Then the poster leaves and you are left with nothing. That happens a lot. Other threads have users discussing the problem back and forth with multiple attempts and tests which end with no solution. The thread just...stops. So, you have either result but no progression with your own issue. It is frustrating as many people know. That is not a complaint on Linux really but just reality of the situation. What burns me is that some problems and issues don't seem to make any progression or improvement although they've been in the same predicament over new versions of distros and various utilities or programs (wireless utilities - NetworkManager anyone?) have been released. Explain that one...

 

It's usually the same with Linux.
Take Broadcom wireless for example.
In Ubuntu Jaunty, the Broadcom STA driver is included in the install, but not enabled. If the STA driver fails you, you have the B43 driver, with proprietary firmware. If neither of those solutions work, what works for a TON of cards is ndiswrapper.

 

So uh, battery life. What do you guys think?
Better power management, worse? The same?

 

Battery life: the same

 

First off, I will mention slipstreaming. I'll mention it because for most of the stuff you have listed (SP3 + the updates at least), this can all be slipstreamed into the install disc. I'll also mention this because with Ubuntu (and most linux distros) this is really all they do. 9.04 is just 8.10 with all the new stuff "built in" to the ISO. Yay. It's relatively trivial to "roll your own" XP installation CD. Apps like nLite will happily do most of the work for you, for free, in an easy-to-use interface.

Secondly I will mention you are comparing two things unfairly. Windows XP came out in 2001, and by MS's own philosophy (like it or not), they have kept the core XP design firmly rooted in 2001. SP2 added some new stuff, but really XP hasn't changed much since 2005 or so, and won't change anymore. Ubuntu 9.04 is literally the "now" Linux distro. It's not based on something from 2001. If you want to compare the two OS's fairly on post-install stuff, you should consider how much updating an SP0 XP install requires compared to a Linux distro from 2001. I'd say "Ubuntu distro from 2001" but it didn't exist in 2001.

 

First Impressions: It's nice to be in Ubuntu again. Installation was flawless, tis' a shame that the x3100 is blacklisted but I don't really mind not having all of the visual bells and whistles -I'll wait until it's off of the blacklist instead of trying to activate it on my own, as this is really the first "perfect" install i've had where everything (even touchpad speed) worked great out of the box.

One downer is that the migration assistant didn't bring over everything from my Vista account (perhaps it was because I don't run as an administrator in Vista) like my wallpaper, and complete Firefox bookmarks (it brought the folders that the bookmarks were stored in, but not the bookmarks themselves, and didn't bring over the massive amount of bookmarks that i don't store in folders)

I immediately changed my wallpaper and noticed the sort of Windows XP like fade effect when switching to a different wallpaper (XP only did something similar to this, except fading the screen to black and displaying "please wait" when you changed themes) but still a nice touch of refinement regardless.

One thing that held me back from committing more of my time to using Ubuntu was (or so i thought ) the lack of a RSS reader that worked for me. Liferea was OK, but it's internal browser didn't support all of the things that FeedDemon for Windows does (FeedDemon uses an embedded version of IE) and that prevented me from commenting sometimes on various blogs and such. I could deactivate this, but then it would open the feed's webpage in Firefox-defeating the purpose of an RSS app IMO. Also, UI wise, it looked a bit grey and dated. After doing some Googling I found a wonderful app called RSSOwl and it has worked great.

So far so good

 

I enabled it but it didn't work. I don't want to use ndiswrapper. I'd rather get/buy a card that is likely to work 'out of the box' and if has open source drivers so much the better.

I just think it's absurd that so many people brag their stuff is working and most of the time they don't even realize/understand what is going on. Ubuntu isn't much better than other distros and wireless in Ubuntu still sucks with certain hardware. Well, most hardware. Same as any other distro. Wireless sucks, period, in Linux.

 

I had a broadcom chip for several years. It worked just fine except for one thing, the chip would mysteriously turn itself off from time to time. I had to boot back into a windows partition and use Fn + F2 to enable it! I've never been able to find a workaround for that in Linux. If someone could figure that out I think it would solve a lot of these horror stories.

 

Instead of complaining about lack of Linux wireless support in here, why dont you get involved with getting wireless support fixed then?...ie write some code, join in on the kernel project, petition hardware manufacturers, buy an Intel wireless card (given the support that Intel gives the open source community), there are a lot of things that can be done rather than just telling us all how bad U(K,X)buntu and Linux wireless support is.

oops sound like a Linux Fan Girl there....LOL

 

Yeah, I saw that clip. He calls ubuntu an application at some point I think.

 

Hey guys I have a quick question. I remember seeing something with VMware and being able to run other OS's in the Mac OS X.

I know this is probably not hte best place to ask the question

Im not sure which VMware product I should download, because some of them are for windows only or w/e and cant find the right one for mac os x except VMware Fusion, which only runs Windows?

Basically I want to run Ubuntu on Mac OS X in another window. Is that possible?

Thanks

 

I don't know if anyone here can help you or not. You might want to check on the Apple/Mac forums and see what people are running their Linux on.

 

You can install Linux in VMware Fusion under OS X