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    ..is it me or is Flash play getting worse and worse in Linux?

    Discussion in 'Linux Compatibility and Software' started by naticus, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. naticus

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    as title states, as of recent flash performance seems to be getting worse and worse -- this is across the board on all of my systems ( see sig.) -- I have AMD and nVidia systems and it seems flash continues to perform worse with every new update.

    Is Linux support getting worse than what it used to be, say 5 years ago?
     
  2. ALLurGroceries

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    What version of flash player are you running? (about :plugins)

    I'm on 11.0 d1 and it has fixed a number of issues, like the memcpy bug where low bitrate audio sounds like a scrambled radio.
     
  3. naticus

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    11.01 but flash seems to be getting worse and worse. On windows 7 it is just miles ahead, and so smooth.
     
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    Flash is a big piece of s... s... such a good engineered software... :mad:
    The code is probably (none knows, closed source) nicely messed up across the years and the whole metodology is just obsolete.
    It's bad on Windows, but in Linux it's even worse.
    The reason why it's more bugged, slowly etc. on Linux is simple - Linux is not a market for Adobe - too small, not highly profitable. They care only about the money (as almost all normal companies do...).
    And this is also why we don't have Photoshop in Linux...

    Crappy flash is a good reason to support HTML5 - do it! ;)
     
  5. Qing Dao

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    Flash in Linux brings my netbook to its knees. In Windows 7 though, everything is gravy. The performance difference is just absurd.
     
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    There does appear to be one performance option available for Adobe Flash 10.0.2 or greater, on Linux, that one can tweak to see if it increases performance, which is to set;
    Code:
    OverrideGPUValidation=true
    or
    Code:
    OverrideGPUValidation=1
    in your mms.cfg file. You will usually have a system wide mms.cfg file located in the /etc/adobe directory. In order to edit that file, (or create that file), you will need to perform the edit/create using sudo, or su. You can also configure an mms.cfg on a per user basis in a ~/.adobe/ directory.

    This blog post describes the basic commands, and this Adobe blog post describes the configuration option. Finally, this Adobe blog post goes in to a bit more depth on the subject as well.

    Good Luck..
     
  7. Qing Dao

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    There was a marginal improvement in Flash when using the bleeding edge software and tweaking, but it still never came even close to Flash performance in Windows. If you have a powerful computer, even moderately so, you probably won't even notice how much Flash absolutely sucks for Linux. It is really sad.
     
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    Flash runs OK on nicer hardware. The latest flash player for x64 is a huge improvement.

    On the other hand, it doesn't work so well with custom players and flash apps and it doesn't offload to the gpu so that it crushes older or downscaled hardware.
     
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    Are you guys... nitpicking here, or is Flash actually just getting to be unusable on the platform? Is this limited to Mozilla or other browsers as well?
     
  10. sazhagianambi

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    Tried both Firefox and Chromium and its pain. Especially when it goes to full screen mode
     
  11. windelicato

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    the stable 64 bit release last month helped me out a ton. Also the hardware acceleration tab. Chrome is a lil better than ffox.

    But it IS still pretty choppy. I can't use linux for any multimedia anything, and its a real shame.
     
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    It varies wildly depending on your graphics drivers.

    On sandy bridge graphics it's fine for me, on both mobile and desktop. The radeon and nouveau drivers also run it fine (in general).

    ATI fglrx drivers run it decently well, where I've had more problems with nvidia's proprietary driver (fullscreen lag).
     
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    On a Pentium 4 install I've done with no gpu, it (32 bit flash) runs pretty well with Debian. On my core 2 duo w/ fglrx its nothing to worry about, even at full 720p, 64 bit.

    Still, I'll be happy for full html5 so web video problems become less of an issue for new nix converts.
     
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    This. I dont have any problem run yutube videos even in HD mode fullscreen. Almost 4 yrs old laptop with Nvidia Quadro 140...
     
  15. Qing Dao

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    The issue isn't that it "runs fine" in Linux. The issue is that it runs far worse in Linux than in Windows.
     
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    There is a much smaller team working on the Linux version of flash player.

    I don't think it's getting worse, luckily. For a while it was sucking pretty bad, they pulled the 64 bit release a few times for no apparent reason.

    If you read the penguin.swf blog you'll see some of the (questionable at times) reasoning behind some of this stuff: Penguin.SWF
     
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    Some things I have noticed over time.

    64bit Linux seems to be really bad. I count this mainly to the fact that I am running a 32bit app on a 64bit install. On 64bit I have noticed flash shudders and runs like crap.

    I just switched to LMDE and flash runs really nice here. Might be because I elected to run 32bit with a PAE kernel. I just got tired of pulling all kinds of 32bit libraries on my system on a 64bit install.

    True 32bit flash runs much better for me. I am even using the nouveau driver with smooth performance. Hello 32bit and bye bye 64 until things get right!
     
  18. naticus

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    You know this might have some teeth to it. I would like to try this out on my netbook -- where Flash performance is abysmal compared to Win7 -- but I have it set up so nice with GNOME-shell and 11.10 x64 Ubuntu.

    I think next time I upgrade, 'distro hop', I will try a 32 bit environment and test for a difference.