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IBM sold their computer business to lenovo of hong kong, sold their printer business to lexmark of USA
IBM concentrated on Point Of Sales already
Lenovo Group Limited (SEHK: 0992, OTCBB: LNVGY) is a Chinese-based multinational computer technology corporation that develops, manufactures and markets desktops and notebook personal computers, workstations, servers, storage drives, IT management software, and related services. Incorporated as Legend in Hong Kong in 1988, Lenovo's principal operations are currently located in Beijing, China, Morrisville, North Carolina in the United States, and Singapore, with research centers in those locations, as well as Shanghai, Shenzhen, Xiamen, and Chengdu in China, and Yamato in Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan.
Lenovo acquired the former IBM PC Company Division, which marketed the ThinkPad line of notebook PCs, in 2005 for approximately $1.75 billion.
They make great laptops... Dell is an American company and they make bad laptops... on another hand Apple is an American company and their laptops are awesome....
Exactly, it doesn't matter if they make it from China, US or from the North Pole. As long they keep churning out decent laptops then that's fine with me.
And, that's the problem, cost cutting is the typical goal of any Management Team run in China, innovation isn't, hence you see the Lenovo's of today aren't what the IBM's were in their time.
you don't even have a Lenovo to have a informed decision upon.
I had a T22 one of the IBM thinkpad "Tank" and I have a t410 now and even though the build quality is not identical the change in quality is minimal.
Lenovo is the one that saved Thinkpad, IBM's management was so innovative that they bankrupted the brand (sarcasm intended). There is no point of being innovative if you can not make a profit, the managements' goal is to expand shareholders' wealth and keep their job as management. Let other company win the "most innovative company award", let our share price rise...
IBM did not change the marketing segmentation and positioning of Thinkpad products, which made it less competitive against business laptops offered by Dell and HP...... IBM has strong R&D, but its expertise is developing high tech products, but lacks the expertise in effectively marketing them according to the market dynamics. Hence why it lost out in the PC industry... when other companies were offering cheaper PC compatible machines.
Regarding, US or Chinese owned is quite trivial, since most of the electronic products are produced in China........ also Chinese people don't ask whether Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Yum! Foods (Pizza Hut, KFC, etc), Buick are chinese owned or not, they just enjoy it as it is.... it is only the governments and politicians that play into these mentality, because they have other things to hide and start 'a bay of pigs' to divert their citizens' attention away from them.
A little background of me...
I was born in HK, and I moved to USA since I was 12. I lived with 3 Chinese PhD students last semester, and each of them owned a TP.
Originally, Lenovo was a firm funded by the Chinese Academy of Sciences. According to the Wiki in Chinese, the funding was 200k.
The Chinese government (both central and local) prefers Lenovo in most purchases because Lenovo was and is a Chinese corporation. Same logic applies here in United States, in the case of Dell computers.
Do you think the government trust everything from the foreign? Simple logic?
I don't have the statistics, and I don't have the time to pull out the numbers.
Chinese government have been using Thinkpads for a long time, if you look at most of the CCTV shows, you would see that the T4x series are used almost ubiquitously. Before Legend (or should i say Lenovo) took over Think brand from IBM, most of their top management used Thinkpads, the same applies for many other Chinese owned computer companies.
Regarding, the biggest customer for Lenovo and that, well lets just say Thinkpads are an object of desire for most Chinese users, and its rock solid stability is makes it popular. China got many computer companies, it could easily go with any one of them.... Legend and now Lenovo are the only company that makes a high quality product that is comparable to HP and Dell's business line desktop and laptop.
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However, before anyone talks about Lenovo favouring Chinese and the Chinese government, etc. Please have a look at the pricing of the Thinkpads laptop in China and USA. Most Chinese people whom want to purchase a Thinkpad, have to purchase them through grey channel, where the Thinkpads are exported and reimported back into China. Even then it is still 40% cheaper than the laptops from the official channel.
Oh, Lenovo doesn't operate a Chinese discussion forum, but rather an English discussion forum out of USA.
So lets keep this nationality business out of this discussion, as it serves no purpose other than to slide into nationalist arguments, which doesn't seem to help anyone.
I gladily use Dell LCD, because they are extremely good... i don't really care what country they are made in, as long as it works to my standards then it is a good product. If everyone was looking at the Made in xxxxx and Owned by xxxxx before they would buy the product, then international trade would have stifled long ago.
If you are interested in the Made in xxxx history, then look at why Britain forced the German manufacturers to use the Made in Germany symbol.
You should learn a thing or two about referencing. I learned that in my bachelor degree...
didn't your PhD roommate tell not to use wikipedia as a source?
Customer A prefers computer manufacturer A does not equal to Customer A being the largest profit maker for manufacturer A. Simple logic?
Yes I read Chinese (simplified), non of the sources you gave me supported your claim that "the largest portion of lenovo's profit in China comes from contract with Chinese government". And you still yet to provide me with a solid reference to your claim (you need a direct quote).
wow, you read newspaper, does that make you opinion a fact?
You can't find sources to back your statement about Chinese government contract, so now you have to use an article about lenovo's deal with education department in an Australian state? How reliable.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
