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    Intel issue

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by realwarder, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. realwarder

    realwarder Notebook Evangelist

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  2. vēer

    vēer Notebook Deity

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    I think given how hot some of their Arrandale chips tend to be, one could say that Arrandale was already hit with "chip flaws".
    Either Intel didnt design their chips hard enough and rushed half-baked product to market (Arrandale) or manufacturers didnt take into account heat dissipation and designed smaller cooling systems according to chips size and Intel's promises on them running cooler(did they promise?), I hope that wont be the case with Sandy Bridge.

    Just my assumption on this this topic, hope to see SB running cooler, longer, with even stronger integrated video :D
     
  3. Stoic

    Stoic Notebook Consultant

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    Intel hit with chipset design flaw in Sandy Bridge rollout

    I just got notification that my X201 has shipped, one I ordered on Jan. 22. I'm hoping my system isn't affected by this but does anyone know if there's a way I can find out?

    I probably have to wait until it arrives. Sheeesh!

    addendum: 0A21286 SBB INCI5-560M(2.66GHZ,3MB L3
     
  4. vēer

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    This info has already been posted in X220 thread as well as in separate Intel chipset problem thread ;)
     
  5. dylanemcgregor

    dylanemcgregor Notebook Consultant

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    X201 is still using the older Intel chipset and not affected by this problem. The updated x220 will be using the new Sandy Bridge processors, and those look to still be a couple of months away.
     
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    Stoic Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks. I guess this just goes to show why "early adopting" is treacherous.
     
  7. realwarder

    realwarder Notebook Evangelist

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    Ars Technica

    In its statement, the company states that customers who have taken delivery of systems with the P67 and H67 "Cougar Point" chipsets can continue to use their systems "with confidence," suggesting that the flaw is restricted to a performance issue and cannot cause data loss. Nonetheless, such users should contact their computer manufacturers to obtain a fixed system.

    So users of Lenovo y560p etc. need to get their systems replaced?
     
  8. unreal25

    unreal25 Capt. Obvious

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    I would try to do that once they release a fixed chipset, regardless of whether there are currently issues or not.
     
  9. talin

    talin Notebook Prophet

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    Atleast Intel is owning up to it and is correcting the issue, even if it means another delay. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

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    "Atleast Intel is owning up to it and is correcting the issue, even if it means another delay. "

    Roger, none of the alternatives for intel were desireable, certainly hiding the fact wasn't.

    Renee
     
  11. vēer

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    Yeah, look at Nvidia, after all these years they do have to shell out some money or free replacements/repairs through laptop makers.
     
  12. MidnightSun

    MidnightSun Emodicon

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    You guys may not have to panic all that much:
    (from Engadget)
     
  13. unreal25

    unreal25 Capt. Obvious

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    Yep, I don't think they are saints either. This simply minimizes their losses.
     
  14. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

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    You know...what it means is that intel screwed up...and they owned it because they had to.

    Renee
     
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    talin Notebook Prophet

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    More information...

    "If you have a notebook system with only two SATA ports however, the scenario is a little less clear. Notebooks don’t have tons of storage bays and thus they don’t always use all of the ports a chipset offers. If a notebook design only uses ports 0 & 1 off the chipset (the unaffected ports), then the end user would never encounter an issue and the notebook may not even be recalled. In fact, if there are notebook designs currently in the pipeline that only use ports 0 & 1 they may not be delayed by today’s announcement. This is the only source of hope if you’re looking for an unaffected release schedule for your dual-core SNB notebook."
     
  17. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

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    I've just checked and ASUS has removed or has had them removed all their Sandy Bridge mother boards from Newegg.

    :( Renee
     
  18. talin

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    Oh there are no SB motherboards at Newegg at all now that I could find.
     
  19. Renee

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    Roger,

    I only checked Asus because thats all I use.

    Renee
     
  20. talin

    talin Notebook Prophet

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    Asus isn't bad. I only ever had one asus board ever die on me.
     
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    I like that intel does their due dilligence on their products most of the time. Same with the SSD issue a while back. Or maybe they are just covering their own azz also in case of future liabilities. In any case at least you know they are not sweeping it under the rug!
     
  22. Renee

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    "Asus isn't bad. I only ever had one asus board ever die on me."

    I've alway used premium Asus boards but reading the remarks left by people. Asus is going down hill.

    Renee
     
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    Price is going down, so quality does too...
     
  24. Renee

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    That's PART of my issue with capitalism. It is getting difficult to find a reliable computer today.

    Actually the cost of useable Asus boards is going up. I've seen some gaming Asus boards that cost twice the amount ($400) that I used to pay for a good Asus board which was $200.00.

    Renee

    Added: Actually, there was not such thing as a "gaming board" in the early ninties.
     
  25. Smellycant

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    I dont know if this is true. Probably need to analyze on a case by case basis.

    Technology is one of the reason things can be produced cheaper. There is also economies of scale at play as personal computing became more mainstream and there is more global demand for electronic goods. Overall this allows part manufacturers like intel and western digital to produce everything cheaper relative to the inflation adjusted purchasing power of the average citizen. In effect, the average joe can now afford to buy a 'computer' whereas a similar joe 50 years ago could not because it was state of the art back then.
     
  26. ThinkLover

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    This is good side.
    The bad one is that manufacturers are not producing high quality things anymore, because it is no longer profitable for them, as most of peoples are about to buy cheaper computers...
     
  27. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    that depends on what the consumer demands and willing to pay for. Most people view electronic devices as disposable and would like to change them every 2 or 3 years or so (some last little over one year). Computer products are even worse in that regard, since the core technology used in them are improving so rapidly (i.e. GPU, CPU and data storage)... and people would want to keep their capital outlay for these products to the minimum, so that it wouldn't hurt hip wallet so much when it comes to their next upgrade cycle.

    So from that perspective, most computer manufacturer must satisfy the consumer demands, and therefore they are trying to keep costs to a minimum for commodity parts, i.e. screen, keyboards, casing materials, hdd, optical drives, parts used on the motherboards, etc. Therefore, given the cost pressure to the laptop brand company and the manufacturers, they have to find ways to save cost.

    To put this in perspective, the ODM of most laptops make about 5% profit, the brand company would make 5% profit. While, the retailer can make up to 15% (on average 7 to 10% profit)..... this doesn't allow much room to maneuver for the laptop company in terms of using complex manufacturing practice, rigorous QC, high quality materials or expensive parts.

    The more the laptop companies trying to compete on the price front, the more likely the quality will degrade.

    Opposite is true for the Luxury watch industry, where the manufacturers are constantly finding new technology, more exotic materials and new manufacturing processes to drive up the perceived value of their watches.