IBM Thinkbook T60

I'm looking to get one of these...I'm going to college as I've said in another topic but yeah I heard the thinkbooks are pretty durable...it's the one that i've heard as one of the most durable. This true?

Well yeah I was wondering besides durability is it a decently performing computer gaming-wise...

Well basically looking for opinions on this laptop I guess

 

IBM's are one of the best built and most durable notebooks on the market, that is very true. For performance in gaming it is decient enough where you can play most of the latest games on the market with out much problems.

as far for options the ones that come to mind are Asus W3J, Asus V6j, or Dell 640m or xps??

 

ThinkPads are buniess class notebooks and are not meant for gaming although as noted they will do in a pinch. Perhaps you should consider the FAQ and post back.

 

you also need to remeber that since the lenovo takeover, Thinkpads have become more for consumers rather than business.

 

Huh?
Certainly they're advertising for the consumers, but not a single thing has changed in build quality, customer service, etc (actually, if you count the cage, you could say that build quality has improved).

 

I ordered a t60 last week, after about 2 month of researching, I don't know what it looks like in person as I could not find any T60 in any stores near my place, but if it's as good as it looks on paper, I would recommand it.

Only thing that bugs me is the wait time though, it's be estimated to be shipped in 3~4 weeks(have heard worse stories on the forum). I am more of an old school type of guy when buying computers. I like to go to a store, see it in person, if I like it, I want to be able to use it right after I signed my visa recipt. For the good deal I got from the net, I guess i'd wait

If you are buying from canada, and are planning on using a visa card, buy it through visaperks.ca, I saved quite a bit, no lies.

 

since the lenovo takeover you cant deny that they have change the Thinkpad like to a consumer based. The quality of the service and prioducts has not changed.

Thogh we can see that now the thinkpads have ati x1300 and x1400 which are not that great with open sopurce os's, when IBM owned the prducts, Linux was there #1 thing.

 

I think they came with Windows when IBM owned them. Lenovo will sell to anyone who comes up with the cash.

 

I never said that it didnt come with windows.

IBM made sure that there systems wee universally compatible. while lenovo does not,.

 

Is Lenovo supposed to keep the x300 in there because there is a linux driver for it.

 

what the hell? so lenovo isn't suppose to upgrade the technology until a linux driver comes out for the video card?

are you blaming lenovo here for upgrading to a better video card?

 

If you are not talking about either the product or the service that has changed to become more consumer oriented, then what aspect are you talking about? Marketing? Because the marketing certainly has not become more consumer oriented at all.

 

There are no good drivers for ATI on the Linux or UNIX side; there are drivers though they are piss poor. When lets take for example the T40 came out it had the ATI Radeon Mobility 9000, which then was succeeded by the X300. Both of these are not the best in terms of performance, especially 3D performance. The ATI Linux drivers work, though they have always shown a lack in 3D support and many users just used the xorg drivers. Though these 2 gpu's were of a lower performance standard, the quality of drivers did not have as a profound affect as the drivers to on today’s GPU's. Thus this was not as big of a deal, so IBM was able to include a gpu in which was much cheaper to a NVIDIA variant, and the performance aspect of. The inclusion of the ATI gpu over the S3 Savage series was a huge step, and was also done to the increasing demand of CAD and other business oriented apps. The S3 Savage as well as the new ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 and somewhat the X300, all did not give users problematic installs of operating system variants other than windows. Since the newer GPU's. And thus after the Lenovo take over the IBM ThinkPad series has dropped the support of many business needs (many businesses, schools and people use UNIX and gnu based operating systems), and started to tend more towards a consumer interests rather than business. If IBM was still in change it is my feeling that the ThinkPad series would have not gone in that direction and would have had gone with NVIDIA products or forced ATI to come up with a better Linux driver.

If you remember a few years ago, in 2000 and 2001, IBM made a huge push for Linux. If you remember the Blond haired boy which can be seen here http://www-306.ibm.com/e-business/ondemand/us/lp/prodigy.html


This was way before the Lenovo takeover and IBM even gave its customers whom were personal, institutions and businesses the option of win 98, Windows 2000, in latter 2001 it gave the option of Win 200, Win XP and a red Hat Linux/IBM Linux variant.

 

It would be nice if they offered a Linux flavor. Perhaps Microsft got to them.

 

Well.... let's get back on topic...
He wanted a laptop for college. Is he a linux user? Perhaps not, if he us, go Asus. Otherwise, get a T60, they're fast. But I'll side with the other guys. They're business class notebooks, they need to be reliable for someone who's a professional. Gaming systems don't. While you would prefer them too, no corporation is going to lose a few thousand dollars if your gaming rig crashes. But if some dudes ThinkPad craps out before a signing deal, he's screwed.

 

Well Llame your whole argument rests on the assumption that to offer multiple operating system options, including Linux/Unices, is business oriented, and to offer a singular operating system option in the form of Windows XP is consumer operated. However it is not hard to see that this assumption does not have a solid basis. There are other possible reasons for this change in stance besides a refocus on consumer as opposed to business. It could represent a paradigmatic change in what Lenovo perceives as business needs. It could also represent a pragmatic change to focus on one operating standard, and abandon the costly war waged against Microsoft by the former owner, IBM. The latter possibility is especially plausible, as insiders in IBM have commonly revealed their support of Linux as stemming from an overall plan to combat Microsoft's monopolistic enterprise. Therefore the previous support for Linux across Think product lines is not necessarily a business oriented move, but rather part of an overall strategic operation on the part of IBM.