The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    How to use restore system on larger disk?

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Dan Patrick, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. Dan Patrick

    Dan Patrick Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Help!

    I recently had a Windows crash on my IBM T42 Thinkpad (Type 2379-DXU). I successfully restored the original Windows XP Pro and IBM system configuration with the IBM Rescue and Recovery with Rapid Restore disk set that I'd made, but I'm still concerned with some noise from my old hard disk. In addition, it's only 60GB and I'd like to upgrade to a larger disk.

    The 160GB Western Digital WD1600BEVE is one that's recommended. Logic would say you could make an "Image" of the current drive on the new drive, then just install the new one and boot up, but apparently, that's not the case. Why? Are there hidden partitions or something that can't be imaged? How can I do this as someone who's someone who is moderately handy, but no techie? I'd need simple, step-by-step instructions, I'm afraid. Thanks for your time, Dan
     
  2. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

    Reputations:
    11,461
    Messages:
    16,824
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    466
    Try the free trial of Acronis, it should work.
     
  3. surfasb

    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

    Reputations:
    2,637
    Messages:
    6,370
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Pretty any backup program will work. They'll just restore the partition itself. At worst, the partition will be the former size and you can just extend it to fit the drive.
     
  4. Dan Patrick

    Dan Patrick Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    So, you're saying that I should download, say, Acronis, install it, then make an image of my 60MB disk on the 120MB disk via USB, even though it's larger, then install the new disk with that image and boot up? Is that the way it works? Or do you mean back up to separate disk (not the 120GB), then install the 120GB and somehow recover from the separate disk.

    As you can see, I'm confused. I've never used a backup or image program or done anything like this, so please forgive my ignorance.

    And you said, "extend the partition," what does that mean and how does one do that? With a program?

    Thanks, Dan
     
  5. surfasb

    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

    Reputations:
    2,637
    Messages:
    6,370
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Essentially yes. Actually, Acronis will extend the 60GB (I assume you meant GB and not MB) to fit the 120GB disk if you want. Then boot up the 120GB disk. Barring any previous disk errors, it will boot right up.

    Extending a partition

    Think of your harddrive as a house and partitions as rooms. You can have a house with one room (your current situation.) Lets say your house has two rooms. Well, this is the equivalent of two partitions. If say you want to consolidate everything into one room, you break down the sheet rock, then extend the carpeting to cover the rest of the house (extending a partition).
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 8, 2015
  6. flynn337

    flynn337 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    21
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Can the rescue disk be used on a larger (or smaller, or just different) drive than the stock one?
     
  7. surfasb

    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

    Reputations:
    2,637
    Messages:
    6,370
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Rescue disk?

    When technicians refer to a rescue disk, they are referring to a bootable medium that has the software necessary to repair or restore a unbootable or inoperational system.
     
  8. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    610
    Messages:
    2,645
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Any utility will not work once the recording has been made.

    An image, is a picture of a system, not to be confused with the system itself. By and large, images have to be "reconstitued" by the same manufacturers software that put the image there.

    "And you said, "extend the partition," what does that mean and how does one do that? With a program?"

    What it means is to make the petition larger. It's usually done with the same program and the appropriate switches.

    Renee
     
  9. halobox

    halobox Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    207
    Messages:
    1,019
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Apparently you haven't tested it. Ghost and TruImage work very nicely. Heck, even the Complete PC feature in some versions of Vista and Windows 7 works.
     
  10. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    610
    Messages:
    2,645
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    They are for NTFS aren't they? Apparently I have tested it and have written code for backup on other machines.
     
  11. surfasb

    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

    Reputations:
    2,637
    Messages:
    6,370
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    I think Renee is referring to situations where you move the disk to a different machine. That is not the case here.
     
  12. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    610
    Messages:
    2,645
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    I may be talking about that, but not necessarily.
    Renee
     
  13. The Fire Snake

    The Fire Snake Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    426
    Messages:
    2,889
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    You do know that you can use the recovery discs you have to install Windows(and all things that came with the original machine) on a new larger drive, right? Or do you specifically want to go the imaging route?
     
  14. Dan Patrick

    Dan Patrick Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Hey, I'd much rather do what you said, use the recovery disks to install on a new larger disk, but is that possible specifically with a T42 Laptop and Windows XP Pro? I read somewhere there was a problem with hidden partitions or something that are on the original disk and not on any other. If the recovery disks don't need anything already on the drive, then maybe it would be possible? Dan
     
  15. The Fire Snake

    The Fire Snake Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    426
    Messages:
    2,889
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    I am not sure specifically about a T42. But I did what you are trying to do on a T61p. I replaced the factory harddrive with an aftermarket one and dropped the recovery discs in and was able to restore the machine back to factory specs on the new drive(all original programs, files and drivers from Lenovo). I believe the hidden partitions are recreated by the recovery discs. I had vista x64 business. I am assuming the same will hold true with your machine. Why don't you:

    1.) backup all your files on your original drive
    2.) Don't erase anything on the old drive and just pull it out
    3.) Drop your new drive in
    4.) Put your recovery discs in and see if they can restore your new drive to look like the old one.
    5.) If it can, you are all set
    6.) If not then put your old drive in and research the imaging solution.
     
  16. Dan Patrick

    Dan Patrick Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    So, now I'm really confused. I don't know from the varied answers if what I need to do is even possible. Maybe I should restate the problem. I want to fit a larger hard disk in my laptop, but have only the set of restore disks I made to re-install Windows. First, is it possible to make an image of the current small disk on a remote disk, then copy or restore or reconstitute that image from the remote disk to a new larger disk installed in my laptop? Or simpler yet, put the image on the disk to be installed, then install and boot up? If either is true, what program is best to use? I looked at Acronis, but their free one is limited and will not work, as I understand it. If this isn't possible the way described above, how can I accomplish my task? I have only the original hard disk (too small) and the restore disks I made. Are there special hidden folders on the original disk that are required that preclude just installing the new disk and running the restore function from the restore disks I made? Surely, someone has experienced with this issue. What to do? Dan
     
  17. Dan Patrick

    Dan Patrick Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Oops, somehow missed The Fire Snake post before writing the above. I'm still worried that the size of the original disk, 60GB, will present a problem with "restoring" partitions to a larger disk from the restore disks I made. Can the partition be "extended" somehow afterward? Dan
     
  18. surfasb

    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

    Reputations:
    2,637
    Messages:
    6,370
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Yes, the partition can be extended after the fact.
     
  19. LucM

    LucM Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    9
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Based on my experience you MAY not even have to expand.
    When I did a similar thing a few years back on a T42 with the Windows XP Recovery Disks, it actually made the entire (larger) disk the C: drive.

    In other words: it created the hidden partition, which is used when you click on the Blue Button at startup, and grabbed the rest of the drive for the regular partition without me doing anything.

    In my case I actually wanted two partitions so ended up using a partitioning tool to get this done (in those days PartitionMagic was pretty much the standard, these days you can just download tools for free).
     
  20. The Fire Snake

    The Fire Snake Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    426
    Messages:
    2,889
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    I am not sure why you are confused. Why don't try what I said? You won't lose anything.