Heat in the Y580, Big Deal or Just Fluff? Post here to update how your machine has been running.

Hey guys,

I have noticed one of the biggest complaints about the Y580 is its heat issues and with good reason. However, I have yet to see someone actually say that their machine has failed due to the heat, though to be fair it hasn't even been a year since this machine came out.

Most of the temperatures seem to have been recorded after some stress tests which aren't real world conditions. However there are some reports of high temperatures after gaming (though actually most of the reports of temperatures after gaming from what I've seen are reasonable).

There is that one thing about how the HDD is between the two hottest components (the GPU and CPU) so this might become a real issue down the road. Also factor in that users have reported a sloppy factory job on the thermal paste and I can see why people are worried.

Anyways this thread is just for people who want to vent (ha get it? vent) about heat issues, post updates about how their machine is doing, and hopefully see in the long run if the Y580 is TOO hot. I've read about HP dv6t 7000s failing already due to heat but have yet to see a Y580 fail.

I just wanna see if we can debunk or confirm if the heat is that big of an issue over time. I agree with some people though that the heat issue seems to have been a little exaggerated over time in the forums. Anyways I will also post periodically to say how my machine is doing. Cheers.

 

Actually are there any i7+GF650/660 laptops that don't have such problems ? Seemed very common issue in all reviews on notebookcheck.

 

Yea, but it's just to see if anyone has actually been affected. Though a lot of these laptops are cited to have these problems, only a small percentage have been reported to fail because of them. Unless someone can pull a big list of many failures.

 

to be honest.. i doubt these things will fail... the graphics cards can handle up to about 100C and the processors 105 ... i just played sleeping dogs maxed out in 1080P WITH great frame rates and the max temps were: *checking programs*

GPU MAX 75C
CPU MAX 77CORE 2

On average i was running at about 73 degrees on the GPU with zero throttling issues..
Ambient room temp is .... *goes to check*
...
..

25C a floor below where it seems cooler then in this tiny 10'*10' room. so i would guess about 27C in here... to be honest... the GPU seems a little warm but still perfectly within what it should be

and ohhh yea... im running a 120GB mushkin enhanced chronos drive that was at max 59C min 41C
as for everything else.. a bit of heat on the laptops keyboard by the F key but nothing really hot... even if i run benchmarks this laptop doesnt get any hotter... this is the highest temp ive ever seen on my GPU but its still well within specs

 

Nice your temps are normal. How's you HDD temp?

 

In my case, the CPU and GPU temps are <80C when gaming (room temp = 29.4C), which is far better than the >90C I experienced on my returned HP dv6t-7000. I've been impressed how cool the GPU and CPU have been. The only heat issue I see so far has centered around the HDD, where solutions have been posted by many others.

 

Yea, even with the high HDD temps I still haven't seen anything. The solutions are good though(replace with SSD, use mSATA SSD, replace thermal paste, etc...).

So far it seems that the heat thing isn't even big of an issue. In fact some people may not even have to freak out that much about their HDD (though I have seen some reach their tolerated temperatures which could be alarming).

 

@voozers : stated my temp in my post.. : "and ohhh yea... im running a 120GB mushkin enhanced chronos drive that was at max 59C min 41C "

when i did have my HDD though... my temps were higher.. cant remember what they were.. but it was a bit more on the HDD.. was a WD cavier or something.

 

Ahhh I see. Well it makes sense.

 

59c is about right, after gaming. But that's still higher than what most hdd's are supposed to run at. Most mfgr's specify 55c operating temp.

It's too soon to see any hdd failure.

will see you in 3 years, if you still have this laptop.


I've made a ghetto mod using an 80mm case fan, placed standing up in front of the laptop, with a paper wrapped around it to funnel air to the hard drive vent. It knocked my hdd temps from 58c down to 50c during my last gaming session. Incredible ghetto mod.

 

Whoever said there were heat issues? They just ASSUMED it will have heat issues because of their observed temps but none have reported damages due to heat. The Dell XPS 15 thread has plenty of heat issues if that's what you're looking for.

 

This thread is just exactly meant to dispel most people's concerns about these issues. So far, there are more positive cases than negatives.

 

Heres's my experience with my unit (temps measured with HW Monitor) :

CPU with chrome, word, torrent and a few other things runs just slightly below 40C, GPU doesn't appear (probably because it's not running)
After a few hours of Guild Wars 2 at 1080p / medium settings including participating in crowded events : CPU reached a max temperature of 79C, GPU was not a concern because it was definitely lower than 70C which is very good for a laptop.
Palmrest stays reasonably cool, keyboard gets slightly warm on the left side and warmer in the center but it's nothing inconvenient for me.

I don't use a notebook cooler and my laptop sits on my desk. Temperature in the room is probably around 21 or 22C.

I didn't bother checking hard drive temps since I upgraded it for an SSD.

I don't think this laptop has cooling issues.

 

well that was useless. You didn't check hard drive temps.

we all know the cpu and gpu in the y580 do not overheat.

assumed? it's fact that the hard drive runs over mfgr's recommended temps.

damages don't appear until several years later with prolonged excessive heat. It's too early to tell. Even with heat, no one is going to get heat damage in the first year of ownership. But it's still not good when you run beyond specs.

Google's hard drive study showed that hdd's with excessive heat died the earliest.

 

60deg is the max operating temperature for the 500GB momentus not 55deg.

 

You are referring to this paper?


http://static.googleusercontent.com...ch.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf

On which page did it says that?

On the contrary, Figure 4 in the google study says that high temp is not a factor in failure.

 

yes, i'm referring to that paper.

i don't care what they say. I only look at Figure 5 in that paper.

hdd failure is lowest when temps are between 35-45c, which is what most of us see during low load.

hdd failure is highest in the hottest drives by the third year. Those who game often might be more likely to see hdd failure.


Even the dots in figure 4 support the case here, where 50C+ drives have twice the failure rate as those in the 40c's. 2% vs 1%.

still, 2% is very low, and most of us will unlikely see hdd failure.

 

the temp in the Figure 4 and 5 in that paper is the average, unless you play game the whole day the average temp will be more likely less than 45".

 

I haven't read the study (yet), so forgive me if this is ignorant... But is it not possible there is a mediating variable here? People who use their HDD more often will see higher failure rate due to consequent wear, as well as higher temps because they're probably doing more taxing things with their computers for longer periods. In this case it's not fair to say that high temps = high rate of failure.

Just a thought. I'll check out the study at some point though. But, common sense says that high temperatures are bad for electronics. I think that's pretty well established.

 

yeah.

the google study sort of controlled for variables. I think they were all server hard drives which saw about the same amount of abuse. The only major difference was temps.
it's correlation, but not absolute.

 

I also mainly made this thread to show people the Y580 can be a safer purchase than other machines. Like I said I've already seen posts of overheating causing laptops to fail within a few months as opposed to the HDD failure that could happen in a Y580 in 3 years.

The google study is interesting, it does show a correlation I agree but remember correlation does not imply causation. There definitely could be another variable (how often the HDD is accessed, etc...). Wasn't there another study that showed how HDD's at temps between 45 to 55 actually lasting longer (according to the data anyway)? I remember seeing it somewhere but I can't find the exact page.

 

"the other variable" is probably the wear as someone mentioned. A average temp of above 45 degree means the HDD in question is always fully loaded and thus will wear out sooner than those less loaded. If you play graphic heavy games eight hours everyday, your notebook will likely die sooner over the long term than if you play only 2-3 hours a day.

 

Maybe, but the temp in the Y580 is also heavily influenced by the GPU and CPU since it sits in between them so even when not in use I think it could go above 45 though not a lot. My example is a user who transferred his OS and games onto his 256 Crucial mSATA SSD and used only the HDD as storage. Assuming all files are played off the SSD, his HDD wasn't in use at all (Skyrim only takes up about 5 gigs) when he played Skyrim and he said he recorded it at 47 degrees Celcius. He also set it to spin down when not in use.

 

When checking out the specsheets of most notebook HDDs out there, they all seem to have max allowed operating temperatures of 60° C (max of 65° C when not operating). So I don't see the big deal of a drive heating up to 50 °C. It's within allowable tolerance.

And besides, a mechanical hard drive is just that much more likely to fail when compared to an SSD, simply because of moving parts, wear and tear and all sorts of other factors. Sure it might get hotter than average due to the less than ideal placement in the notebook, but I don't think it should have a huge impact on life expectancy.

I'll check later today, but I think my desktop HDD's average around 45° C and those have been running for many years now. I used to have a couple of Maxtor's fail on me back in the days, but ever since I've had Samsung (now Seagate) and Western Digital HDD's I haven't had any failures.

Just make sure you make regular backups of important data, in case the HDD does crash. Whether that's due to high temperatures or other things will usually be an unknown, as there are simply too many factors influencing HDD reliability (and sometimes it's just plain bad luck).

 

Except people are complaining when HDD temps exceed manufacturer's specs (see below). I saw my HDD shoot up 57C out-of-the-box, which exceeds the 55C spec'd for the 1TB that came with my Y580.

 

Ah okay, I wasn't sure what model was in the Y580. That changes things a bit I guess.

 

5400rpm drives are usually spec'd to 55c.
7200rpm drives to 60c

all said, I think we are safe. Still, you have a 98% chance your drive will last until your next laptop purchase

not sure how much the gpu and cpu contribute. But that hot PCH temp you see in hwinfo64 is right on top of the hard drive like an oven.
That PCH temp rises when you use both gpu and cpu.

 

Here are my temps after gaming for a bit. In the middle of the game the GPU was at 60-61 degrees Celsius.

 

Your HDD's get pretty hot! That doesn't look good.

I'm thinking of opening up my notebook and putting on some Arctic Silver 5 on the CPU and GPU. Should take off several degrees. Might do that this weekend when I have some more time. Perhaps I'll post pictures of this little project.

 

Sounds good, I was considering doing that but hesitated as it may void the warranty. I will probably do that in November when I'm more free (I don't wanna risk busting my laptop during school) and also finally do my clean install to my mSATA SSD to drop HDD temps.

I think my HDD would probably last at least another year even under this stress so I have a good amount of time to reduce heat.

 

Would you be willing to take a picture to show your setup please?

 

Hi folks,

I belive here are some wrong conclusions about the sensors in the Y580.

As you see in the picture attach to this message my Seagate Momentus Spinpoint get after 2 hours of Guild Wars 2 with "Dynamic Switching Profile" (Turboboost of the GPU) around 48° C hot. That is a little bit hotter than in some other notebooks bu it's still ok.

The Intel PCH Sensor is the sensor of the Intel HM76 Chipset which runs pretty hot after some gaming but it is in the thermal spec. The Samsung mSATA is also operating ok.

 

the sensors are not wrong.

you're just not getting that hot. GW2 must not be loading the system that much.

under a truly loaded system, the PCH would get up past 80C, and heat up the hard drive to 60C.
Your pch is only 63, so your low hdd temp is expected.

No one is worried about the PCH. it can go up to 100C without burning up. But it does heat up the hdd.