The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    From a new owner of a t400: A note on build quality

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by vilmosz, Apr 23, 2009.

  1. vilmosz

    vilmosz Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    10
    Messages:
    203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I just received my Lenovo T400 and the thing I was most guarded about in my buying-decision phase was build quality about which I'd heard many negative things. It's very difficult, even in a large city such as where I live, to get hands-on time with a Lenovo. I couldn't find one on display anywhere within 25 miles!

    Anyway, we've seen many comments and even a video on Youtube harshly critiquing the T500. I can't speak for the T500 itself, but the T400 is also a recent model, and while it's too soon for me to post a detailed review, I can tell you that the build -- including the keyboard and palmrests -- appears to be very solid, to my mind, as solid as the Thinkpads that carried the IBM name.

    For what it's worth. If your concern is build quality, you can check that off your list as a positive, not a negative.
     
  2. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,389
    Messages:
    10,552
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    456
    What other notebooks have you used? Have you tried the T4x or T6x or Dell Latitude E series? How do you compare it to other models?
     
  3. HerrKaputt

    HerrKaputt Elite Notebook User

    Reputations:
    444
    Messages:
    2,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Yes, the main competition for the T400 is Dell's E6400, which also has very good build quality.

    A comparison would be great. There already is somewhat of a comparison here, but it ends with a kid throwing a glass of water on his thinkpad.
     
  4. jaredy

    jaredy Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    793
    Messages:
    2,876
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    56
    We have discussed this a bit on here in random tid bits in various threads. The e6400 is probably better value for your dollar, so that comes into play when comparing. I personally don't think too highly of the Latitude E series keyboards...but you can get some great deals in the dell business outlet.
     
  5. Likvid

    Likvid Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    99
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Why are the thinkpads from Lenovo so bulky?

    All my genuine Thinkpads from IBM like the T41 and T42 are so slim.
     
  6. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    610
    Messages:
    2,645
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    The e6400 isn't a competitor for the t61p because it has a 14 inch screen - only.
    -Renee
     
  7. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    610
    Messages:
    2,645
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    The question was asked seriously, so I thought I'd give it a try. Thinkpads from Lenovo weigh so much because real components are used including cooling. Relatively, a lot is required to make a thinkpad with reasonable throughput and cooling at the same time.

    -Renee
     
  8. HerrKaputt

    HerrKaputt Elite Notebook User

    Reputations:
    444
    Messages:
    2,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    I said it was a competitor to the T400...
     
  9. puter1

    puter1 Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    95
    Messages:
    776
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    The T400 (and maybe the T500) and the Latitude E6400 are my two main choices. As long as I can customize and use a dock station for connecting to an external LCD monitor, then the rest is which one is 'better' or more likely to contain what I want.

    Unforunately, I can't use the 'outlet' angle. There is almost nothing in the outlet stores of either company on the Canadian sites which I would have to use. Well, I believe so.

    So, keep the comparisons coming!

    It is disappointing to read that the SXGA+ screen w/ LED is not available for the Thinkpads right now. That could be a deal breaker, I don't know yet.
     
  10. HerrKaputt

    HerrKaputt Elite Notebook User

    Reputations:
    444
    Messages:
    2,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    In a nutshell, and sticking to facts, the E6400 has the advantages of eSATA and DisplayPort, the T400 has the advantage of switchable graphics. The E6400 is cheaper in most countries I've looked but not all, and coupons/outlet deals change that constantly.

    Going beyond facts, I think the E6400 looks a million times classier than the T400, they got the "sexy yet serious" design just right in my opinion.
     
  11. jaredy

    jaredy Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    793
    Messages:
    2,876
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    56
    I think the e6400 look better in the dell photos...in person they were pretty meh. Not that that is important considering the D series was pretty plain and plastic looking. Of course you could get the brushed top <.<
     
  12. Slugur

    Slugur Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    1
    Messages:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    I use an E6400 daily, and I must say that the bezel looks a little stark in person. Also, the lid flexes WAY too much. With the lid closed, I can easily cause the lid to flex w/ light pressure of an index finger. Aside from the screen and ports, the T400 blows it out of the water IMHO.
     
  13. HerrKaputt

    HerrKaputt Elite Notebook User

    Reputations:
    444
    Messages:
    2,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Really? My lid is pretty sturdy... I expected it to be weaker than the T400's because the laptop itself is slimmer (there's no magic here... thinner usually means weaker) but even so I have tried pressing real hard at the back of the screen and I cannot create ripples.
     
  14. puter1

    puter1 Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    95
    Messages:
    776
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Interesting interpretations and perspectives, guys!

    Is the switchable graphics that much of a bonus? Seems so with the option to save/increase battery life.

    I don't mind the plain look of either although, honestly, I have not seen either up close. I've only seen them in photos. But, I think the plain jane exterior is acceptable since they are business machines and I want something sturdy over something fancy looking.

    Since, I can't find a good deal in an outlet and thus, I rely on the respective (Dell/Lenovo) sites, both the T400 and Dell E6400 are of similar prices depending on which customization options you choose. I guess I'll continue to read the opinions/perspectives since they're really helpful and try to decide which features are most important to me.
     
  15. Snakecharmed

    Snakecharmed Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    298
    Messages:
    289
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I think the switchable graphics are more hype than substance, especially on the T400 which is already great on battery life. It's a bigger deal on the T500 because the discrete graphics are at least twice as powerful than in the T400.

    The T400/T500 has the better keyboard by far over the E6400.
     
  16. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    610
    Messages:
    2,645
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Herrkaputt,

    It's no competition in my book unless it has a 15.4 inch screen. If you say, "less than a 15.4 inch screen", it's nullified.
     
  17. HerrKaputt

    HerrKaputt Elite Notebook User

    Reputations:
    444
    Messages:
    2,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    I don't think I understand. Both the T400 and the E6400 are 14-inch laptops. Where did that 15-inch comment come from?
     
  18. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    610
    Messages:
    2,645
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Well that's easy enough. I won't consider a laptop without a 15.4 inch screen.
     
  19. jaredy

    jaredy Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    793
    Messages:
    2,876
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Well we weren't discussing it really so that's why HerrKaputt was confused. And we don't know your preferences...
     
  20. Renee

    Renee Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    610
    Messages:
    2,645
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Why not? Everyone else's preferences are recorded and mine are not without technical merit?

    -Renee
     
  21. jaredy

    jaredy Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    793
    Messages:
    2,876
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    56
    I am not saying that your preferences and views are not welcome. I am saying that it was not known why you mentioned the t500 (due to your preference for it) when we were mostly comparing the e6400 and the t400. I am just saying we don't automatically know why you commented about it how you did; that's all.
     
  22. Snakecharmed

    Snakecharmed Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    298
    Messages:
    289
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Thread starter bought a T400. Inquisitor wants comparisons between a T400 and E6400. A laptop with a 15.4 inch screen is a non-sequitur.