FHD displays?

what is a FHD display? I just tried to configure T510 and W510 and neither has a "FHD" display option. Is Lenovo sold out?

From the comments about these new lappies, sounds like it's worth waiting for?

 

FHD is Full High Definition = 1920 x 1080
HD+ = 1600 x 900
HD = 1280x720

 

Why is Dell and HP selling them, yet Lenovo isn't?

 

Dell's aren't wide gamut. Not sure about HP's.

 

I personally would rather have a 19x10 screen that isn't wide gamut, but is bright and clear. Bright and clear is much more important to me than the range of colors supported.

And a faster GPU would be a nice option to have available.

 

some Dell's models, such as XPS 16, has a definitely wide gamut screen. Much wider than most of Thinkpad's

 

But XPS is a consumer line of laptops, they are not business laptops as such.

 

Infinus's post didn't mention about consumer or business laptop. In fact, Lenovo produces consumer laptops, too

 

But T510 and W510 is not a consumer line laptop, which is the topic of discussion here. Consumer line and Business laptops have a very different supply chain system. You will find that many consumer line laptops from leading laptop manufacturers are mostly designed and produced by contract manufacturer on behalf of the leading companies.

 

I think I understand what you meant. OK. Let's talk about business laptops only.

As far as I know, HP Elitebook 8730w with DreamColor has RGB LED backlight and very wide color gamut. Not sure about Dell, but I think Precision laptops may have.

 

All I have to say is that the people that made the decision to move from 16:10 to 16:9 screen resolutions made a mistake. A big one. I guess they figured everyone would buy the 1600x900 native res screen.

Think again.

I would love to see their focus group data.

 

You should talk to the LCD manufacturers.

 

They should have talked to us.

 

1. They're making money, thus they don't care to talk to us.
2. They are talking to us, but some people are giving them bad information.

 

They don't talk to you when the LCD market is run by these major oligopolists.

 

Screens are made wider and wider. Personally, I don't like 16:9 ratio, and I think that 16:10 look much better. But there're more people out there still like screen with 16:9 ratio. Manufacturer must choose, and they've chosen.

 

So say they listened to us. Would you spend 3000 dollars for the same Thinkpad in 16:10 vs 16:9? I use this as an extreme example. The LCD market is driven by television sales, not computer monitor sales. You are buying your entire laptop for what, 1400 bucks? Where's the markup? TV's sell for 3-400 for a small one, 2000 for a bigger one, and that's for just a screen filled with a couple hardware chips. The markup is way bigger. As long as TV's drive profit and people only want cheap laptops, LCD manufacturers will never listen to us. LCD manufacturers make the most money by designing factories to make TV's. Laptop screens are secondary, even further down the list when you consider stand alone LCD displays come before them too.

And if you are going to make a claim of "but there are enough of us" the answer is no, there aren't. Otherwise market demand would have kept 16:10 and it hasn't. Laptop screens will always play second fiddle to TV's and other higher profit sales.

 

@infinus: I can see that you're quite upset . I don't think anyone here can prevent new screens from being produced, so it's better to accept this move. I definitely hope that Lenovo will let T420 (probably the next Thinkpad I'll buy) keep 16:10 screen, but if they won't, then nothing's wrong to me.

 

Why is it that when I post from work that seems to happen....

 

Yeah this is a very simple Econ 101 problem of supply and demand. I don't see LCD manufacturers going back to 16:10 ratio panels anytime soon, if ever.

 

Actually, supply & demand for different aspect ratios is only part of the equation. More importantly, manufacturers look at maximizing production based on the substrate shape. LCD's are manufactured in large sheets and cut to size, trying to minimize dead pixels. Years ago, I read that 16:9 aspect screens yielded better on the raw LCD sheets being manufactured.

Applied Materials, the 900 lb gorilla in the Semiconductor Equipment industry, has a joint venture with Komatsu (AKT) to produce LCD media. AKT produces much of the equipment used to make the panels. While less known than the panel manufacturers, the equipment companies develop the technologies used in production. Here's a link to more information about AKT Display Products, LCD, Flat Pannel Displays (FPDs) - Applied Materials Inc.

 

i thought the LCD manufacturers tried to minimize waste cutoffs when they shifted to the widescreen format.

 

Lenovo is starting to look like a bad joke. When was the last time they actually had a W510 with a FHD screen for sale? January?

Sure looks like going to the 16:9 size was a bone headed move. Nothing like pissing off the customer base first by giving them something nobody wanted in the business sector, then not being able to deliver.

#EPICFAIL

 

which is why HP and Dell offers 16:9 in their business laptops too.... So Lenovo was suppose to stay in the 16:10 LCD business like a lone gunman with no ammo.... i would call that an epic fail.

 

Yea, but HP and Dell are delivering. Lenovo isn't.

 

i guess Lenovo did not expect that their FHD LCD is going to be so popular against the other two LCD options available.

 

Dell's FHD isn't a wide gamut screen. If you call Dell they are supposed to carry a wide gamut screen and they can't get any either for the Latitude and Precision. Lenovo's mistake is that they aren't stocking any FDH non-wide gamut screens as those do seem to be available.

 

After 3 months and about 10-15 delay messages my university will finally get the first shipment of W510 FHD early next week. The shipment will include about 60 notebooks which is a third of the whole order.

Same goes for a different university which ordered about 4 months ago, that shipment will arrive late next week with a huge (unknown) quantity of W510 FHD.