Decided to return Y500 GT750 Haswell is just too strong

After convincing myself that Haswell really did not offer much I decided to look into it further.

Not only does Haswell offer lower power consumption it brings in a new Socket Design which is more effcient for cooling.

Haswell (microarchitecture) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It also offer twice the vector processing performance over Ivy Bridge. Your gonna see some Core i5's smoke Ivy Bridge Core i7's in Gaming that does not use the Core i7's hyperthreading, and other applications.

Haswell's High end built in GPU is equal to a NVIDIA GT650 (gee I wonder why that sounds familiar) over clock it and you may get close to a GT750.

Haswell is also very over clocking friendly. Which will help Gaming. The also move the Voltage regulator onto the CPU eliminating a Motherboard component

It also looks like Lenovo was expecting this. Its from Lenovo.com

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Normally the charge 15% restocking fee for returns unless its their error. But not for recent purchases.

I'll be back looking forward to a Y500, with Touchscreen (or not) with more efficient Haswell CPU ,and Integrated GPU so we can have more than 2 hours of battery.

 

Huh. Looks pretty interesting. I would love to see some actual applications of that vector processing performance.

 

Its months away though.

 

I'd rather wait a few months for updated tech than buying near obsolete tech which I already bought. Twice the vector processing. to me that sounds like its very important for Gaming AND a 2.4Ghz Core i7 may perform like a 4.8 Ghz Core i7 for gaming purposes and processing graphics.

That sold me plus. the New Socket design, makes current Core i7's sockets obsolete. Not to mention Haswell's new socket is thinner and runs cooler. You can make a thinner a Laptop and have it run cooler. Again Cooling and Airflow very important for Gaming.

And a overall 10% boost in performance.

Your gonna see budget $500 Laptops Running Starcraft 2 on Near Ultra settings with Haswell and built in on chip GPU. Without the need for a dedicated GPU.

I can just see a Y600 with Haswell, and discrete GPU swicth, along with other improvements.

 

I think this is all marketing. Was the same situation when Ivi Bridge came and they said that those are much better then the Sandi Bridge, power efficient, more powerful etc. etc.

I had both the CPU's 2960XM and now the 3920XM and really speaking all the tasking and all the daily work including video editing, compressing, converting etc. etc. does not make much difference at all. Maybe at overclocking we see a little difference but overall there is not much to say about it, except it does run hotter the current generation then the previous one So, yeah, think twice before making this decision.

It will all be in your mind that I have an older* generation technology and already there is something new out, what if it runs better, what if it looks better on the paper and so on...

Believe me that the new CPU will not make much difference at all, we all have to be careful about what NVidia or AMD is upto with their GPU's because that is what matters on those machines and that is where the bottle neck starts in all the gaming and 3d applications that we try to have them improved and running as smooth as possible.

 

You have over-exaggerated the improvements of Haswell versus Ivy Bridge. Yes, it may be offer twice the vector processing capability, but this is only a small picture of the overall CPU performance and it certainly is not going to magically give you twice the performance. Especially when it comes to games, frame rate difference between the two platforms with the same clock speed has already been proven in early benchmark leaks to be 3-5 FPS at best.

I'm not sure how you managed to correlate a change in the CPU socket pin arrangement to be an improvement in thermal dissipation performance.

...And you do also realize the IGP that Intel is boasting about (HD 5200 A.K.A. Iris Pro) is only available in the highest tier i7 processors correct? The 4850HQ and 4950HQ will be $300-$400 upgrades over the standard 47xxMQ quad core processors, just like the current 3740QM and 3840QM being upgrades to the base 3630QM. The HD 4600 that will be used in the majority of the mobile processors on the market will only provide 5-10% performance increase over the HD 4000. In additional to that, Intel isn't exactly known for producing performance drivers with games in mind. I still remember Intel claiming the HD 4000 will be competitive to the AMD/nVidia IGP (Radeon 6620G specifically), and it ended up getting dusted by as much as 50% in gaming performance.

 

Cool story bro.

Instead of all of these guys dumping on people's purchases or zealously pining for a new shiny X to make them feel superior, why can't they just off and leave us in peace?

Everywhere I've been participating in the Y500 community, it's abundant. If you don't like the laptop, don't feel the need to put it down. Just keep your mouth shut, return it, whatever, but bugger off.

Ice Cold: This hasn't been directed to you, but actually it has. I've seen you posting the same crud in many threads. Just take it elsewhere, we don't care.

Thanks.

 

There is no way you will see the HD 5200 in 500$ laptops, they will more likely be inside high end ultrabooks and laptops that will cost between 800$ and 1200$ ... I seriously doubt it will equal a 650m like intel claims it will, it will most likely struggle to reach 555m performance,

 

So are you buying y500 or wait haswell

 

i see that haswell cpu's are 2 tdp higher compared to their ivy counterparts, and correct me if i'm wrong, tdp is related to temps right? how come they say it runs cooler?

and an igpu is equal to a 650m? now that's laughably exaggerated. there's no way an igpu can get in that level, not even an amd igpu, amd's strongest igpu today is around the level of a 630m, and let me just say igpu is really not intel's forte.

 

i read that the new cpu cuts the battery usage to half, so saving a heck of a lot more battery.

i don't really believe that. battery life on laptops have increased only marginally. i mean my HP is suppose to last me last least 4 hours but i get about 2 and 3 hrs tops on it with the way i'm using my laptop. it's too subjective, what intel is claiming. i mean if i just leave the laptop on without doing anything and have power saver on i'd probably see about 5 hrs of life. so the stats they claim, i'd like to see exactly what specs they are benchmarking.

 

hey does anyone know a good Y500 dedicated (sub)forum w/people who want to have fun tweaking/modding/discussing & none of these ridiculous "is it good enough for me" or "y500 sucks" threads? How twould we know if the y500 is good enough for you, whether that's now, next year, or your next life?

I'm sorry to be rude, but only you know your requirements and if you're solely motivated by the fear that your Y500 won't play games that are a year or two from release, I think you may need to do a reappraisal of your expectations (and possibly your priorities)... I mean we're pulling off TODAY's most graphically intensive AAA games at 1080p / 60fps on a LAPTOP at medium/high settings. That's pretty da*n phenomenal.

 

i'm actually very interested in the laptop. i really don't care about gaming on the laptop, for me i need something that can handle photoshop and come light gaming but mostly for school and work.

 

Ok, then I'd say that your largest considerations are probably battery life and touchpad responsiveness then. Also possible monitor dead pixel/backlight bleed, but almost every mass produced laptop has similar manufacturing issues.

 

correct, i'm aware of the touchpad issues and also the usb shorting out web cam issue. that's about it. but those are covered under warranty.

 

Just as an FYI there is no way the new IGP of Haswell will come close to the GT650m much less the GT750m. You are being deceived.

Realistically, it will come close to AMD's latest APU, but that is it. I have seen the video and read the articles claiming this feat, but don't buy it for a second.

 

Dude, you are the MAN! Best post I've see in a while. :thumbsup:

 

So explain to me this Ice Cold: You're gonna wait a month or two just so Lenovo puts out an updated Y500 with the same GPU and Haswell i7-4700MQ that runs at the same 2.4 GHz - 3.4 GHz as the current 3630QM and gets a, what, 10% increase in IPC and probably runs hotter due to the increased TDP of having an on-die VRM? And that's assuming they update the Y500 first. Something tells me the Y490/Y590 with GTX 760M is going to get the new CPU first.

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Also your remarks about better overclocking and GT3e/GT3 are completely irrelevant to this machine. There's no way the Y500 is getting Iris Pro or Iris or even Optimus for that matter and you're not gonna be overclocking a locked-multiplier mobile CPU anyway. Moving the VRM from the motherboard onto the CPU really only has relevance for desktop overclockers. It doesn't necessarily mean Haswell will be a beast of an overclocker, it just means you no longer have to spend the extra dough on a premium "overclocking" motherboard with high-quality VRM's and can get the same results on a cheaper one.