Begining of a new era

For those who likes the direction lenovo is going with the thinkpads.

For me they are doing a lot of things right. The W540 is almost a perfect laptop spec wise and if they keep the built quality decent it's a definite buy for most people who needs a full power quadcore and quadro graphics. HP is too thick and heavy. Dell is offering an interesting alternative in the M3800, but is too heavily focused on ultrabook form factor and performance for my liking. It also look too pedestrian for me.

An area id like to see lenovo improve on is the speaker system. A long neglected feature on corporate notebooks, but i fail to see the excuse for it.

Would need to see reviews to see the built quality and screen quality.

BTW. Who else thinks Lenovo needs to put a challenger in the ring for the Dell M3800. something like a W540s, without the DVD and in a thinner form factor but keeps the quadcore and Quadro Graphics, but one notch down. Something like a a mix between X1 carbon and W540 would be very interesting. But isnt tapered! woudl much rather have more batteries installed in those spaces.

 

W540s would be exactly what I'm looking for.

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Yeh! lets throw a !@$% storm about wanting a thinner W540s instead of wanting the buttons and 1990s keyboards back!



Can someone explain to me why some notebooks like apple and thinkpads have Ctrl and Fn switched? ????? I know its some legacy thing. Who prefers it and why? Why not just use the normal layout?


So W540s specs

Must haves:

IPS matte
Quadcore
mid range video(atleast GT750, 765 GTX has been done in 14 inch razer so why the hell not)
Decent speakers
solid build quality, same stiffness as macbook pros

Would likes:
Dual cooling which means
-no DVD
-no HDD

 

I concur. Please drop HDD, DVD, the that legacy ultrabay. User-replaceable storage is overrated, buy what you want and stick with it! Soldered battery and RAM too, please, most games just do fine with 8GB. 27mm is the too high though, get it 24mm, no!, 22mm high when closed (who cares it's 350x250 in other dimensions, and still weights 5+ pounds, it's the height what really matters!) Drop the trackpoint too, reduce keyboard to arrows, AWSDEF keys and spacebar (on-screen keyboard is fine for occasional google search and online shopping), and add Kinect instead! Yeah, and sound + speakers are definitely important - everybody in the office appreciates my favorite tunes, headphones are so 1998!

And then it's sure going to be the perfect workstation!

 

I thought you can get what you want anytime at the apple store.

 

^^ trollolol...

On topic. I find that Lenovo is just eliminating the bulk and the out-of-date legacy stuff. This only catches up to the competition.

I would like to see innovation in this new era. Such as:
- Hot swappable battery (this is good, only if the 6-cell didn't bulge like it does)
- Ultra thin bezels
- The old numpad at the JKL keys, when numlock is clicked, a special backlight lights up those numbers that would otherwise been hidden
- A column of special shortcut/programmable/command keys on the lef side of the keyboard. This also effctively centers the trackpad by shifting it rightwards
- Touchscreen, webcam, fingerprint reader and high res screen defaults at purchase. We need to up the standards
- Tablet convertability (yoga or other design) across the entire line
- Improvements with the trackpoint
- Improvemens on the 5-button clickpad (more physical markers maybe?)
- A way to check battery charge when the laptop isn't on. (signals from the ThinkPad 'i' maybe?)
- Carbon Fibre is becoming standard on many preminum notebooks, we need even better (nanotubes, graphene, carbyne??)
- Voice recognition and motion detectors

We need Thinkpads to be actually better, and not just its reputation.

 

I can't say anything about Apple, but on newer ThinkPads one can switch the Fn and Ctrl keys in BIOS.

BTW, the Fn key being in the lower left corner was considered to be "normal" since that was where IBM had originally placed it, and back in those days one wouldn't dare argue with an IBM's layout.

 

I wish for optional matte touch screen on all thinkpads.

 

matte touch screen? just get a matte screen protector like on the X1 Carbon Touch. If the Lenovo uses the traditional true matte touchscreen, it would be using those resistive rather than Capacitive.

 

Cool. I've been turning off the windows key for years via apps. But it's nice that the feature is right in the BIOs with thinkpads. Razer goes onestep further and have an app that allows you to remap every key on the keyboard.

IBM forever! hahaha. I wonder who switched it eventually? probably Dell

 

Haha. nanotubes.....

 

SIGGRAPH 2013: Dell Launches Precision M3800 Mobile Workstation with 3200x1800 Display | Custom PC Review

This is innovation. As far as mobile workstation goes.

By the way, i hate everything about the design of it. But the specs and intentions are good.

But lenovo please don't copy the Tapering and exposed Carbon fibre. Exposed carbon fibre screams aftermarket glued on skins(which this probably is) and tapering just make it look like every ASUS and Acer out there.

Also please don't start doing multi tone finishes. That butt ugly M3800 has greyish barbon fibre, black palmrest, chrome trimmings and aluminium lid.........along with the new alienwares, Dell is really dropping the ball on design these days. Seems to be designed by bunch of teenage gamers. I might have liked it back when i was 14.

Also.......Please try to improve tolerances. Look at the gap between the lid and the palmrest when the M3800 is closed.............cheap cheap cheap. I will never use a Macbook but please try to learn from their manufacturing techniques.

 

And I wish people would realize the stupid inefficiencies of adding a touchscreen to a traditional laptop. It does not improve productivity. It is more expensive, thicker, heavier, sacrifices battery life, and requires regular cleaning. Don't get me wrong, the Yoga 2 Pro is a great-looking machine and the perfect product for many consumers, but touch screens do not belong on every model of ThinkPad (ThinkPad Yoga (non-dockable), and X240t (dockable) is all we need).

 

Well, but even if you don´t use the Touch feature, the Touchscreen has a good aspect: Since ThinkPad Classic models with Touch use Gorrila Glass (T440s/X240/ThinkPad Yoga all use Gorrila Glass), the stability of the Display unit is improved and it is scratch-save.

 

I found the touch screen very useful when commuting/traveling.

 

Yeah, I was aware of that and like it a lot. 3200×1800 native resolution, 400-nit brightness, 1000:1 contrast ratio. (The keyboard is nicely centered, thank you.)

Its industrial design is virtually identical to that of the XPS 15 (L521X, 2012) which has wireless LAN performance problems, most likely due to the placement of the antennae within the aluminum lid. I hope Dell will manage to fix this with the M3800.

Also awesome is the new Ultrasharp 32″ 3840×2160 (140ppi) desktop display.

 

If this can still be done on the new X240 I then maybe I won't have as much disgust of the keyboard layout as have at the moment.
I've nothing against, Chiclet style keyboards, but I do have something against, Fn keys being where the Ctrl key should be and Function key's primary function being made things like volume controls, brightness controls, etc...
Simple functional things that should never be messed with because they just work.

 

I agree wholeheartedly.

Maybe you should direct your disgust to other manufacturers who decided to deviate from the *original* (which is Fn key in the lower left corner) laptop keyboard layout throughout the years...

 

How so? Do you use Win 8? I feel like windows 8 (without start is back) puts an unnecessary pressure on the user to use touch 'features'.

Touching the display requires that I lift my hand off the keyboard -- i.e. flex my shoulder joint, extend the elbow, articulate at the wrist and digits -- all in an attempt to simply swipe or otherwise locate a certain point on a physical screen. I'm young and well coordinated but there's no way this touch 'feature' is faster or easier than keeping my fingers on the keyboard and simply using the TrackPoint or keyboard keys. In contrast, such a task can easily be performed by placing my index finger on the TrackPoint and applying a small amount of force to move the cursor.

Like I said, some laptops like the Yoga and X240t series have their purposes and are useful tools in specific situations, but the vast majority of PC tasks are more efficient the old-fashioned way. I also forgot to mention that the Gorilla glass touch display is glossy, which bodes poorly unless the brightness is increased (another solution to a problem I don't need in the first place). Sure, it may be stiffer and more durable than a regular display, but I've never broken a ThinkPad display so I don't see how it's a plus...

 

No, the Gorrila Glass Touch Displays, that will be used in T440s/X240 is matte (or, maybe semi glossy). They do reflect more than normal non-Touch matte displays, but not nearly as much as on the first X1 or the Helix.

 

Not everyone is good with the trackpoint, in fact, I have not learned how to use it. A touch screen is easier for me on the road. A touch screen is heavier and often glossy, but hopefully it can be improved.

Just my experience.

 

not really innovation, on the 13~14 inch 2880 x 14xx is good enough, i mean the Yoga Pro 2 has the same screen resolution as the M3800. But if you want to run CAD simulation at this resolution, you are putting too much load on the GPU. It is obviously that Dell is focusing on the prosumer rather than professionals with this screen option, just to give them an edge over the competition. On the Macbook Retina 13 inch when i am using Windows 8 i have to bump up the scaling for fonts size, otherwise everything looks too small and hurts your eye when reading lot of documents.

 

It really depends on what one gets used to...

My work-issued laptop has no TrackPoint but does have a touchscreen. Runs W7, BTW.

I couldn't tell you how well it works with one's finger since I've never attempted to touch it with anything but stylus. Nausea attacks from fingerprints/smudges on the LCD panel is something I'm extremely prone to.

And yes, I do carry an old-school IBM mouse in the case with it...