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    Any updated on the SATA II speed cap?

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by sitecharts.com, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. sitecharts.com

    sitecharts.com Notebook Consultant

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    As a Lenovo x60t owner with an intel SSD I am still very pi**ed about Lenovo capping the SATA II speed on the device to 1.5Gbps.
    Is there any news on getting a new Bios fixing the issue?
    I saw some threads about this earlier ... specifically how this was only a bios/software cap.
     
  2. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    The X60t is a SATA I machine. Even if Lenovo decides to fix the SATA cap, it won't apply to the X60t
     
  3. halobox

    halobox Notebook Deity

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    Yea, it'll be fixed in the new wave of ThinkPads next spring.
     
  4. garga

    garga Notebook Guru

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    I found this when reading about SSD on t61 & t400 . It is from Feb 2009 but should still apply.
     
  5. erik

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    current generation thinkpads (T400, T500, X200, W500, W700, X301, etc.) already support SATA 3Gbps speeds with SSDs.
     
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    yuio NBR Assistive Tec. Tec.

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    erik speaks the truth. I have a Intel G1 80GB M-25x in my T500 and it runs at full speed. 267MB/s seq read ;)
     
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    Yeup. The SATA II speed cap only affects the _61 generation. All new Thinkpads do not have the cap.
     
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    Loonovo can fix it if they want, just like Dell did. But they don't want to.
     
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    sitecharts.com Notebook Consultant

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    Lenovo is all I can say!
    What a bunch of crappy lying cheaters.
     
  10. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    not without causing problems to the PATA ultrabay drive....
     
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    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    this is also why the latter generation of thinkpads have the serial interface for their ultrabay drive.
     
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    Mr.KL Notebook Evangelist

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    Why cant they issue a new drive bay?
     
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    User Retired 2 Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    That's what they claim.. but I am using a Fujitsu SATA-II 3Gbps HDD in a ultrabay type sata-to-pata caddy and it has no problems with the same Marvell chip used on the ultrabays. So the excuse on the lenovo website (standardising operations to Sata-I) is not valid.

    While this has been discussed with great passion and frustration by users I can't see Lenovo volunteering to correct the issue without a hugh impetus to do so from the user base. Why would they? Their current stance boxes users into upgrading to T400/T500 systems to see SATA-II performance. So user pays twice to get the SATA-II performance they should have already had with their T61/X61 systems based on Lenovo's SATA-II advertising of those products.
     
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    Mr.KL Notebook Evangelist

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    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    Mr.KL Notebook Evangelist

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    In reasearching something else I looked at the Manual for my T61 and it shows SSD as an option at the time of purhcase. So they acutally sold T61's with SSD dumbed down at that time? I read that Apple has had the same issue. Something about if you order with an SSD then its 3.0 if not they dumb it down to 1.5 but complaints which Apple states as coming from a "small minority" of users caused them to uncap.
     
  17. erik

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    the fastest SSDs available from lenovo at that time were samsung SLC models capable of 100/80 Mbps read/write.   the T61 didn't limit those drives in any way.
     
  18. Mr.KL

    Mr.KL Notebook Evangelist

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    I'm not advocating whether Lenovo or the OP is right. Just throwing out information for the board experts to debate. Like a pack of pit bulls going at it. lol. While laypeople like me wait and see if we can benefit from the results. lol, thanks that's good to know.
     
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    There was a long (way too long) thread on this earlier. The update is that Lenovo chose to limit the bus speed on the T61 generation laptops in order to use less power and extend battery life.

    The other update is that now that we have lots of test data we have learned that in real life application no SSD gets close to the SATA1 limit. The reason is that sequential reads tests have nearly nothing to do with real-world performance. The key number is the small block read test (4k) and those numbers aren't anywhere near the SATA1 limit, and won't likely be for another couple of years.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=399772&page=25
     
  20. thinkpad knows best

    thinkpad knows best Notebook Deity

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    Another true post that proves this thread can be put to bed once and for all... jesus.