Any alternative laptop to X220?

Wow. Read the owners thread and see how easy it is to replicate with, say, occt for many people. I'm glad you don't have the issue. Many of the i7 owners do. I get it playing civ5 for 30 mins, max. I am not exaggerating, but you can make your own calls. Thanks for the skepticism.

Petrov.

 

Have a link to the details of their test unit and test methodology?

 

Perhaps because years of industry development have reduced the cost of components that were once quite expensive? Perhaps because a more streamlined product lineup means that more FRUs are shared across different systems? Perhaps because massive growth in the laptop market over the last 5 years has driven down costs across the board? Perhaps because the designs are different and thus are not directly comparable?

What do you even mean by "prices have been divided by 3"? An actual concrete comparison would help here...

Most of them are just ODM re-badges. There's a reason that I recommend ThinkPads, but not other Lenovo notebooks...

Nope. Engineering and design is still done in Japan and Morrisville -- Think Place is far from abandoned. About the biggest change I've heard about since IBM's reign was the addition of the "lenovo" letters on the side of one of the main buildings.

I'm sorry that reality disagrees with your opinion, but that's the way it is.

 

if it is down to component value, then why sony Vaio Z is still so expensive? Why is a Porsche price does not come down despite the fact that car parts are made in China and cars are much more affordable now than 50 years ago? Why still some people buy Mercedes when they can get with the same money 4 nice Fiat? If I follow your logic there should be only low cost laptops on the market these days.

 

I had this happen on a ThinkPad SL510 ... I opened up the bottom and blew out the dust and reinstalled Windows 7 from a ghost image and it has been great ever sense.

 

I went further than that, I also changed the thermal grease, fan and HD to find out that the issue had nothing to do with heating dissipation. In fact sometimes I just turn it on and 3 seconds later it dies.There is only 1 pattern in the faulty behavior, everytime I have to remove the battery, remove the powercoard, replug the power cord so it can be turned on. same issue happens when I use it without battery or on battery only....I purchased an SSD recently for my X220 I was expecting to arrive and since it did not arrive I put it on my X200s. I am getting much less abrupt shuts, but maybe it is because I did not use it for a while...also SSD consume less power so I guess it has helped somehow...

 

You're right... I typed that message in haste.

Yes, I can also attest to the quality of Sony's support: It's terrible.

 

Rumor has it that the new Z series will come out in June I think.

13.1" screen with 1920x1080 resolution. External GPU dock for gaming at home. Prices of course will be through the roof if it ever comes out.

 

For me, that's a big no no, regardless of how great the design is. Screw Sony.

 

Here it is:
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One thing you definitely want from this type of laptop is good battery life, and thankfully the Series 9 doesn't disappoint. Our Battery Eater test simulated worst-case battery life by running the processor at full tilt until the battery finally gave in. The Series 9 lasted for 2 hours and 40 minutes, which puts it up there with the very best ultraportables.
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I have read somewhere else a 6h Batterly life which is also a bit disappointing, if they only had the slice option that would not be a problem.

 

Thanks for the additional detail.

I find it fascinating we now find 6 hours of battery life to be disappointing. Wow. Our standards have really changed in the last 12 months.

Don't get me wrong, I like the fact we are seeing major improvement in this area but before you write a machine like the 900X3A off as disappointing, you should look more closely at the entire package.

It will be interesting to see what Samsung does next.

 

His logic is sound. Components have come down in price, marketing however has not changed. Some companies charge more based on their brand and perceived value. Some companies still have high quality but choose to charge less. My buddy paid 2k for a Sony Vaio a few years ago and it came DOA. Sorry to burst the bubble, it occurs in all companies.

I'm not a Lenovo fan boy, this is my first. I've had Dell, HP, Sony and Asus laptops in the past. The x220 actually runs the coolest. Even playing Portal 2 for two hours it only got to a max of 70c. When not gaming and on for hours the top and bottom are completely cool.

Time will tell, but at the moment this x220 is far and away my favorite laptop. All my dells needed part replacements after a few months, HP in my experience is garbage. Sony is overpriced for what you get and Asus was actually not too bad. Right now, I'm quite happy with Lenovo.

I know you are feeling a little hurt that your order was canceled because of the slice battery outage. But come on now, every company has hardware issues and problems. Just because your previous laptops never had them, doesn't mean none of them do.

 

I don't know. It's kinda hard to compare, since I'm not really into cars.

But perhaps you can tell me: what 1960s Porsche would be good to compare with a modern one? Since we're looking for a fair comparison here, please only list the models that included power steering, airbags, anti-lock brakes, electronic ignition systems, which ran on unleaded gasoline and meet modern emissions standards.

 

I have read the thread and do agree its a real problem that Lenovo should fix . I do have the issue myself as indicated in my prior post, it is just that I have not been able to replicate it without using stress tools. Perhaps I have just not pushed my system hard enough to see it.

Personally I find the high pitched fan to be an even more annoying issue with this system.

 

Not realy I can get another X220 from german sites that people have mentionned in other threads and I am in Germany at the moment so I guess I can have a new one next day. However after seeing a new issue popping out every day I just changed my mind and think it is probably worth to wait until new Sony is out and probably save mysellf more furstration.

with regard to Marketing, I guess it plays a part but not all. What mostly makes the difference is quality control, research and engineering. There is another thread with regard to quality control that I recommend

 

instead of lawyer quotes I would refer to you to read more economist quotes, for example keynes was always great when giving exalted speeches, if an economist speaking can be exalted. Gold or not, William was still a lawyer.

by doing this you might understand what thinkrob and the others (erik and zaz) have said about the tidbits of pcs in general, specially thinkpads.

Dont take me for a fan of anything, I feel rather depressed when reading poor arguments thrown against each other.

Now if I were you I would wait for the new Z, Im also doing the same.

The vaio SA might be an option for you. And as also already mentioned the r835 from toshiba.

I would add to that line the hp 2580p (or something like that, never get the numbers right), which is to compete against the x1 and the x220.

and the thinkpad x1, while the battery life is not on par to that of the x220, I hope for the best, since it could be equipped with a quad

 

Hmm, new issues everyday. Sounds like my old dell laptop. Surprisingly the x220 has been the most problem free laptop I've ever had. If the fan didn't whine it would be perfect. I'm just going to have onsite swap it out anyways.

Good luck, every sony laptop I've encountered has been garbage... just sayin. The prices are ridiculous too. Maybe I'm a little biased given my buddy got one DOA and my fathers broke after a month.

Hmm, quality control eh? Sony charges double what lenovo does and Sony has been terrible in my experience. Maybe you'd like to think those other factors are greater than marketing for pricing. The truth is, a company can charge whatever they want as long as their ad campaigns can sell it.

 

The Panasonic Let's note N10 has a 12 inch 16:10 display, is much lighter (1,25-1,3 kg) and has a much better battery life (over 10 hours).

 

Damn! It costs close to US$ 2300 if the info on the link is correct!!! Look here: LINK Interesting looking machine though.