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    Alternative notebook with standard home/end/pgup/pgdown/delete layout

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by belmont_a, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. belmont_a

    belmont_a Notebook Enthusiast

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    The keyboard layout is my main reason to stick with Lenovo Thinkpad.

    Now that it is no longer there, Anybody know alternative notebook with standard layout,especially the home/end/pgup/pgdown/delete section?
     
  2. nkull

    nkull Notebook Guru

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    When I've looked I've come up empty handed... Ordered my X220 and will use it for at least 4 years now. Dell even got rid of theirs, although their keyboards just suck, their new ones feel even worse than the ones they had before now! (as far as I know, they were also one of the last to hold out with 7 rows)...

    I'm still hoping that maybe Lenovo will re-introduce the 7 row layout in the future, even if it is "island" style.
     
  3. belmont_a

    belmont_a Notebook Enthusiast

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    yeah, I cannot find any new notebook with this layout anymore. My company give me HP Probook without this layout. I can't help but being frustated with the non standard layout.
     
  4. sniper_sung

    sniper_sung Notebook Evangelist

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    Looks like I'll have to keep my X220 for a while...
     
  5. Jack Watts

    Jack Watts Notebook Consultant

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    Here you go: Series 6 Notebook

    While the layout of the keys isn't identical, it has everything you need, plus a trackpoint! It also uses the traditional vs. island style keys and even has a full 10 key pad. Here's a nice review of the one: Review Samsung Series 6 600B5B-S01DE Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews.

    Spill-resistant keyboard, Kensington lock, matte screen, docking station... For those who can't live with the new keyboard, this is a great option. There's a 14" which does away with the number pad but still has the home/end/page up/down (they're in a configuration to the side vs. the top).

    So, there are other options out there. They haven't announced their Ivy Bridge models, though these computers have discrete graphics cards so I don't see a huge benefit there.
     
  6. power7

    power7 Notebook Evangelist

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    Still missing the

    Ins Home PgUp
    Del End PgDn

    block. Plus keyboard is off-centered. Large Dells, HP etc. have the same issue. Lenovo x20 series were the last of the Mohicans.

    IMO it's time to adjust, as we've adjusted to 16:9 screen. The new Lenovo's layout is not great, but not terrible either (terrible = Fn+Left : Home, or a column of buttons to the right of Enter etc) , and can get used to it in a day easily (especially if you don't use Ctrl+Break and other combinations with the physically missing keys).
     
  7. Jack Watts

    Jack Watts Notebook Consultant

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    all of those keys are on that keyboard....

    Not on the 14". The 15" is only offset because of the number pad--but hey, if folks really want a "traditional keyboard", this is it--number pad and all....

    You'll get no argument from me on that one. I actually prefer the new keyboard. That said, I know there are some who just can't get past it, so this is a viable option for those folks.
     
  8. power7

    power7 Notebook Evangelist

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    All of these keys are on the "new" 6 row Lenovo keyboard as well. It's the layout that's changed.

    Otherwise, most vendors labeling their devices are "business laptops" have this layout nowadays: Sony/Samsung/Dell/HP/... And now Lenovo too.

    Folks want "traditional Thinkpad keyboard". Centered, with good Trackpoint/scroll, 7 rows layout, and with a USB keyboard available with the exact same layout and Trackpoint for desktop use. Sadly, this option is gone.

    I really hope Lenovo re-introduces this as an option in the x40 series. I'd happily pay +$50 to get the 7 row layout.
     
  9. nkull

    nkull Notebook Guru

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    Same... I would pay more for 7 rows, even if those 7 rows were island style keys.
     
  10. belmont_a

    belmont_a Notebook Enthusiast

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    Ins Home PgUp
    Del End PgDn

    Nicely described power7.

    I was shocked today when I can't find new laptop with this layout anymore. I hope Lenovo come to their senses and give customer choice between the new layout and the old layout.
     
  11. Jack Watts

    Jack Watts Notebook Consultant

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    Well, the OP asked for something that had the same keys as the original TP. This is as close as it's going to get, and it includes the trackpoint. No, it's not identical to the "traditional" TP keyboard, but it's probably closer to the Model M keyboard as you're going to find in a laptop (which, BTW, is a 6 row layout). The grouping of function keys, obscure keys which are missing from the new keyboards, traditional keycaps--this is as close as you're going to get. There's even a blue line on the enter key!

    I wouldn't wait around for Lenovo to reintroduce the old keyboard because I just don't see that happening. The Series 6 is probably the "closest" you're going to find.
     
  12. power7

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    Not sure how. To me, "new" Lenovo keyboard seems much closer to the older series than that, at least Enter key is not in the middle of the keyboard.

    Anyway, what's annoying with all this, is that we have no less than 4 choices of wireless adapters, or processors, when buying a Lenovo laptop. A couple of screens to choose from, or batteries, or power adapters. Yet the keyboard, which is modular and is easily user-replaceable, is take it or leave it.
     
  13. vēer

    vēer Notebook Deity

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    How about page back and forth keys, nobody misses them? Ill sure miss them if my next laptop wont have them!
     
  14. power7

    power7 Notebook Evangelist

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    These keys are herecy, and the person who put them next to arrow keys is pure evil.

    IMO if anything is better in the new layout, it's the PgDn/PgUp taking their place. At least you won't loose data on the web when trying to hit Left arrow, and hitting a key above it instead. Alt + arrows forever :)
     
  15. meemer

    meemer Notebook Consultant

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    I've fallen in love with the browser keys because I can use them in Windows Explorer to quickly move back and forth between folders. Browsing through my documents is so much easier with those keys that I can't imagine having to manually point my cursor to the arrows to do so anymore. Having a dedicated pair of keys for that on my x200 in combination with the trackpoint has unexpectedly made my computing experiences these last two years that much smoother and easier, so much so that those keys have endeared themselves to me and I will most certainly miss them in the new lineup. I might even consider finding an older x220 when it comes time to upgrade for those keys alone.
     
  16. power7

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    That's too much work. Alt+LeftArrow and Alt+RightArrow work on all keyboards, in all browsers, and in Windows Explorer too.
     
  17. XX55XX

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    Stick with the last generation Thinkpads. Sandy Bridge isn't obsolete yet (heck, Core 2 Duo isn't quite obsolete yet either).
     
  18. vēer

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    Yes, but its still a combination and not a real key :D