ATi HD3400 vs Nvidia Quadro FX 570M

My daddy got a new T400 from his department and asked if I wanted to switch with him. His has the ATi Radeon HD3400 GPU and mine the Quadro FX 570M. Everything else is the same save that his CPU is the T9800 2.8Ghz one and he's running W7 Prof.

So the only thing to consider is the GPU. Which is more powerful?

 

The FX570m is significantly more powerful than the HD3470. Of course, you are comparing a 15" workstation to a more portable 14" notebook, so each has its own advantages.

 

That is true. But overall, for gaming and stuff, the FX570M better even though the HD3400 is newer?

 

Even though the ATI card is newer the Nvidia Quadro is still better. Both aren't necessarily for "gaming" but the 8600gt (FX 570M) is better.



http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-8600M-GT.3986.0.html


http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3470.9594.0.html

 

Much better than the 3470, in fact, it is even better than the 3650.

If you want to really show the guy up, temporarily overclock your 570M. I did mine for 3DMark06 and got around 5500 compared to 3900 stock.

 

but the FX 570M suffer from manufacturing defect, so if you play too much GPU stuff on it, it will die a premature death.

 

Did Lenovo ever update their designs to fix this failure?

The one benefit of the nVidia is they have the headstart on the implementation of GPU enhanced number crunching (they call it CUDA).

 

I'm gonna tell you right now, the 3470 sucks for gaming. Recent games will not run well on it. Older games is fine but if you play anything newer than early 2008 you will not be happy with the performance.

 

not sure, since there are reports which said all GPU of that generation are affected, so i will be wary of any machines that carry that gen of nvidia gpu.

CUDA is good, but given that the GPU suffers from manufacturing defect, i wouldn't be using it for cuda or games for that matter.

 

how do I check if my 570M has the defect? Or is it ALL 570Ms?

 

Nvidia tried to say the same thing to dell, and blame them for the massive amount of chip failures. When in reality nvidia did not want to own up to it. That will forever tarnish their reputation.

Basically 7XXX, 8XXX, 9XXX and their workstation variants were all effected. I had a dell vostro with an effected card but didnt see any artifacts or crashes, but I know alot of people with the same ddr2 8600mGT that failed. The way you can tell is the screen will start going crazy in games or even in 2d, crashes due to the GPU will also happen. Not 100% sure on the exact happenings since I have not experienced it first hand.

as far as parallel computing, its a really nifty idea but I personally wouldnt use it until I knew that the GPU issues are done.

 

All chips that they announced had defects or "higher than normal failure rates" were defective, the defect is in the solder used to attach it to the mobo and how it does not tolerate rapid rises in temp or decreases in temp very well. When i knew this i now use TPfancontrol to adjust the fan speed so that the GPU cools down very slowly after i am playing a game like Dirt 2 for example, or FSX, or Bioshock, not suggest playing games on it? Yeah right. I'll tell you when mine fails. Won't be for a while since i think i got a good one, idle temps are very low for the average of this GPU in peoples T61p's, as low as 43 idle.

 

It has a lot to do with luck as well. Your GPU might never fail, at least not before something else breaks or you choose to replace it with a newer model.

I think that the failure rate of T61p's has actually been fairly low in comparison to other 8600m-equipped laptops. The failure rate of the Asus G1, for example, has recently increased rather substantially.

All I can say is, good thing mine has the 3-year ADP warranty!

 

Yeah, i was scared when i bought this T61p used off of eBay, very nervous. I think however that failure percentages were just a little higher than normal and the fact that nVidia stated this brought people who did have them fail to come out and say something just because they think they now have a reason to explain that their GPU failed, and that if it was any other GPU it wouldn't be a major concern, but if it's a G84 core, oohhhhhh boy it gets lots of attention. I really do want to see actual failure rates of within 2 years of laptop ownership released, but i guess they never will.

 

you can't check.

 

May as well be all 570M's..

 

I thought it was only the Nvidia 7x00 and 8x00 cards that were affected. I haven't read about any such issues on any 9x00 cards.

In any case, yes, the Quadro FX 570M is based off the 8600GT, so it is affected as well. That's not to say it will die for certain, but be aware that that flaw could pop up without much warning.

 

Actually it should have plenty of warning (BSOD, distortion, previously playable games now unplayable, 1 long and 2 short beeps on startup and black screen)

 

^That's nasty I hope it doesn't happen soon...

 

the problem that is affecting the nvidia GPU is not the solder that connects the GPU to the motherboard, if it was the case, then it is not Nvidia's problem, but the problem of the laptop manufacturers. The problem is actually an intrinsic problem of the gpu chip, where heat soaks somehow causes the problem with the GPU electrical wiring.

 

The 9XXX series was basically just the 8XXX series in disguise and had some effected units.

 

Maybe for some early units, but I was under the impression that Nvidia pretty much corrected the soldering error for practically the entire 9k-series production run.

 

Pretty much.

 

All models based off the G84M and G86M are affected- nothing off the G92M series though....

 

according to Nvidia all the 65 nm and 55 nm GPU were affected.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective

this article gives the best explanation of the whole Nvidia Saga that i have read so far on a public forum, so it is a must read for people whom are interested or concerned about this whole issue.

 

F Nvidia. They shouldnt leave people guessing. Oh, I boought a car and the car manufacturer denies a problem, avoids a recall and keeps consumers guessing if they have a problem. Come clean.

 

Would my Nvidia GeForce Go 7800 be affected by this in my dell e1705? I have a four year complete care warranty that will be up in june, so should I do anything? Thanks for any info.

Haven't had any issues (yet *knock on wood*) and this laptop gets pretty damn hot sometimes.

 

isn't that an integrated GPU? if it is an integrated GPU then it is okay and you shouldn't have much problems.