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    2016 Lineup Announced

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by echen1024, Jan 3, 2016.

  1. echen1024

    echen1024 Newbie

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    A bevy of new ThinkPads, hitting real heavy on the X1 front (tablet, yoga, standard.)

    Shortage of specs, although the Iris graphics many of us were hoping for did not make an appearance. T460s dGPU has also been downgraded to the NVidia 930M from the 940M in the T450s. It also waits to be seen as to the model of dGPU in the T460P, which is certainly one of the most interesting of the bunch (x40 series marked the resurgence of "p" models).

    edit: Upon closer inspection, it seems that the X260 is still using the old swipe-style fingerprint reader, compared to the T and P series which are using the touch-style readers.
    http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Thinkpad_X260_04_Win-10-MiniStart.png
     
  2. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    The $449 base price Thinkpad 13 has to rank up there as one of the most interesting devices announced by Lenovo at CES. At 3.2 lbs and .8" thick, if the display is anything short of horrific, this looks like a terrific entry level Thinkpad for the office. Actually comes close in size and weight to my old X301.

    The X1 tablet (seeming improving on all the shortcomings of the Miix 700) and the OLED X1 Yoga round out significant upgrades across the Thinkpad line.
     
  3. etz

    etz Notebook Enthusiast

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    It's also great that we have returned to all-black design. I didn't like the gray. T460s is non-removable battery only now, but the chassis is completely new, which means base cover removal is supposedly very easy, to change RAM-s for example. Removing the keyboard should be very simple now also.
    I can't wait to see the 1440p display, this year might be the year, when I go from X230 to T460s.
    All-in-all, looks like the Thinkpad team has been fairly busy, so far the results seem great.
    If you're reading this, TP team, good job.
     
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    linkgoron Newbie

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    Weird that the T460/p/s and X260 are all missing TB3 and USB 3.1 Type-C ports.

    It looks like the Thinkpad 13 is the only new laptop with a USB type-C port
     
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  5. Thors.Hammer

    Thors.Hammer Notebook Enthusiast

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    BinkNR Knock off all that evil

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    And yet still no notebooks (tablets excluded) with 16:10 or 3:2 resolution. :mad:

    This is a major bummer.
     
  7. pepper_john

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  8. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    I have seen one place that says the X260 won't offer a touchscreen option. Interesting if true.
     
  9. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    I hope they keep the IPS for the FHD panel on the T460, unlike the X1C. I've no interest in a WQHD screen. The L460 looks kind of interesting at 4.2 pounds for someone like myself who doesn't need a ton of mobility or battery life. I'd just want the backlit keyboard, or even better, the ThinkLight, to come back before I was sold.
     
  10. khajure

    khajure Notebook Geek

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    So no removable battery? Does this mean we cannot replace the back battery with a 6 cell and have upto 18 hours of battery life? If so then I am definitely not purchasing a t460s. OLED display on the x1 yoga looks amazing though.
     
  11. jmandel2

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    My T420 seems to be on it's last legs. Should I wait for the T460s in February (I think my 420 can hold off until then), or purchase a T450s now? Will there be price cuts on the T450s once the T460s is released?
     
  12. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    Hard to say. I've seen it go both ways. The T450s has proven to be a very popular notebook that rarely goes on sale or shows up in the outlet, so I don't know that it's a given it be discounted much. The T440s was heavily discounted when the T450s was released. Had I known about the touch pad mod, that's probably what I would have bought instead of the Dell.
     
  13. Albake21

    Albake21 Notebook Consultant

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    I still don't understand where the Yoga 460 is. I know it's on sale at Best Buy, but I am waiting for other models of it on their site. They haven't said one word about it and it looks like they won't be saying anything about it at CES 2016...
     
  14. ibmthink

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    Yoga 460 will be available alongside its workstation brother, P40 Yoga, in early February, alongside all the other new Enterprise models.
     
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  15. Albake21

    Albake21 Notebook Consultant

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    How do you know this though? There is no confirmation anywhere.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  16. ibmthink

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    Insider info, duh :vbcool:

    Yoga 460 was announced to be available January with Enterprise features. January is long of course.

    I think initial date for the P40 Yoga was January 29. P40 Yoga is identical with the Yoga 460, besides the GPU.
     
  17. ronstew

    ronstew Notebook Enthusiast

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    Okay, I'll admit it. I am confused by all the 14" Thinkpad Yoga offerings.You may treat the following as rhetorical questions if you like, or toss in your comments.

    I am a full-time lab instructor at a technical institute and a part-time masters student in engineering at a different university. I want a tablet for note-taking and marking electronically submitted reports. At home, I will use a docking station to drive three 1920x1200 monitors (one of which will be with a USB-DisplayPort dongle that I already have). Weight does not really bother me, except for the coolness factor (which I will not admit to my wife).

    I might do a bit of SolidWorks design. Does that mean I want the P40? And will the GPU in the P40 really make a practical difference? Is the 940M GPU in the 460 still in the plan, and how does it compare to onboard and the P40's?

    CPU: Is there much difference between Intel Core i5-6200U (2.30GHz 1866MHz 3MB) and Intel Core i7-6500U (2.50GHz 1866MHz 4MB)? 8% is not much of a clock speed difference for about $100 or $150. What does the 1866 MHz refer to? Do we know what the P40 and 460 CPU offerings will be?

    Storage: Now I have to choose between SATA and PCIe NVMe, whatever that is. (And maybe something called M2 that is there already but not used in most configurations?) Can I go cheap on this and upgrade my own? Can I take out a SATA drive and put a PCIe drive in?

    Screen: Does the higher resolution really make a difference to the user experience? The 1920x1080 base resolution seems like it would be fine? And would I want to wait for the OLED, because I have been waiting for a 14" Yoga with a pen so long, a couple more months might be okay. Am I right that the P40 and 460 screens will be the same as the X1 LCD choices?

    Memory: Can I add RAM without violating warranty? Is it model-specific RAM? Would that save money? Or will 8 GB be okay for SolidWorks if I keep the models reasonably simple?

    Best Buy: Is the existing Best Buy model really a 460?

    Head is spinning. Choice is a good thing, I suppose.......


    Ron
     
  18. djembe

    djembe drum while you work

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    With Solidworks, I'd think you would want a quad-core processor, which would mean P50 or P70.

    940M graphics are from equal to 50% better than integrated graphics, depending on workload. I'd recommend better graphics for Solidworks, such as the Quadro M2000M in the P50 or the Quadro M3000M, M4000M, or M5000M in the P70.

    A good rule of thumb for processors is a difference of less than 20% isn't usually noticeable, however it's also important to remember that all Skylake mobile processors are soldered, so upgrading will be impossible. For that reason, I'd get the best one you can afford.

    You can definitely upgrade storage on your own. Lenovo offers 2 different form factor slots for storage. One is the standard 2.5" drive slot, and the other is M.2, which allows smaller SSDs to fit. For the M.2 slots, you can purchase SSDs that work via the NVMe standard (uses PCI express lanes directly), which allows transfer speeds 4x faster than SATA 3.

    Screen resolution is a personal preference. Higher resolutions provide more details, but text can be difficult to read in native resolution and scaling in Windows still does not work well with many programs. OLED provides better colors and higher brightness at the expense of battery life.

    You can add RAM after purchase, just like storage. It's usually considerably less expensive that way. I'd recommend 16GB so your system has some room to stretch.
     
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  19. ohadfreund

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    You cannot add RAM in all models, in some the RAM is soldered.
     
  20. ronstew

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    Thank you djembe and ohadfreund. I gather that none of these 14" Thinkpad Yogas offer CPUs with more than 2 cores, so SolidWorks will take a performance hit. Seems that running as few other programs as possible will help. P40 really looks like the way to go. It will be interesting to see what stock configurations are available when it comes to consumers in a few weeks.
     
  21. jayku

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    Don't forget to check out the T460p. Quad-core + discrete graphics, although the GPU won't be as good as the Quadro in the P50/70 for Solidworks.
     
  22. Thors.Hammer

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    You realize the fourth gen Carbon FINALLY arrives with a FHD IPS screen?
     
  23. pipspeak

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    I just hope Lenovo makes it easy to set up dual drives in the T460p without having to resort to workarounds. A PCIe SSD and 2.5" SSD would be a good combo, but based on past experiences (T440p) I'm not very hopeful, especially because there's now no ultrabay to fall back on.

    From the official photos it also looks like the T460p has the same crummy build as the T440p... including the flexy lid that doesn't close properly and causes appalling light bleed on the panel.

    Anyone know how the GeForce 940MX compares to the Quadro M1000M for video editing/rendering, photoshopping and similar tasks? I'm not interested in gaming performance.
     
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  24. Albake21

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    I just went into Best Buy to see the Yoga 460 in person and I noticed something. The branding on the laptop was Yoga 14, not 460 like how the 260 is labeled. I know it's probably still the same laptop, but this whole thing still has be confused if I should wait or just go buy that one at Best Buy.
     
  25. BinkNR

    BinkNR Knock off all that evil

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    I’m in a similar boat as you, but with a T410. I’ll be waiting for the T460s as WQHD and NVMe SSD are not options on the T450s and these are important to me.
     
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    Are the battery still removable on the X and T models?
     
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    T460(p), T560 and X260, yes.

    T460s, no, you have to remove the bottom cover first before your can exchange the battery.
     
  28. ZaZ

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    Personally, I'd take the L460. I don't wish to spend that kind of money, nor do I need that level of mobility.
     
  29. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    The BestBuy version of the Yoga 460 is branded as a Yoga 14. It is an exclusive model to BB. The configurable version with some additional hardware will be out by next month at the latest.
     
  30. Thors.Hammer

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    Well, I've been waiting for Lenovo to build something remotely close to the MacBook Pro Retina. Looks like the 4th gen X1 and T460s might be worthly of consideration.

    Waiting to see the price for the config I want.
     
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    Also count me interested for the Thinkpad 13! What else is officially known about it, besides this? http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/lenovoces-more-than-meets-the-eye/
    And besides unofficial bloggers reporting about it from CES?

    Also, what do we know for HP's, Dell's, Acer's Asus', Toshiba's (what else is worth to mention?) similar announcements? What is, or will be the direct competition for the 13?
     
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    I'm glad they put back the 3rd USB port. However, looking at the sealed bottom... I wonder how upgradeable the X260 would be? Battery life is impressive and that's pretty much the only reason I want to upgrade.

    Do they still have i7 throttling issue?
     
  33. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    Not much at that price. I would guess the 3000 series Latitudes.
     
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    The T460 and the T460p is now listed in the PSREF and the user manuals are available online as well.
    Looking at those, it seems that there is no option to have 2 SSDs (one M.2 and one 2.5" SSD).

    Is this right or am I missing something?
     
  35. ibmthink

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    Lenovo never offered the option for the M.2 SSD as a second SSD on these, T450s also wasn´t offered with one and it still worked.

    We will see if it works with the new models. I hope so, but there is no way to be sure without testing. Lenovo does not officially support that.
     
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    Hard to tell... but Lenovo's track record for multiple drives in the T-series is not good, and without the ultrabay the easy option for a second drive is gone. I used that for a second 2.5" drive in my T440p. If the T460p has no straightforward two-drive option then Lenovo's probably lost me as a customer.