Why do laptop makers only seem to put high res screens in small notebooks????

/startrant

Why cant they put these 3k and 4k LCDs into say an 17 or 18 or heck even bring back the Dragon or XPS 20 and use them? Maybe this isnt the right forum but I felt it might be, but Im tired of looking for a 17in mobile workstation with the screen capability I want only to find out that its only offered in 15in or smaller notebook that even my 20/10 vision will strain to use.....

Maybe this has changed since I stopped looking a few months back, but even still I feel like it couldnt have changed all that much.....

/endrant

 

And why do even the cheapest tablets have IPS displays that have great viewing angles, when most notebook have crappy TN displays that change colour brightness and even seem to look like a negative image when you move a few inches from viewing them straight on, IPS panels in cheap notebooks is what i say.

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John.

 

lol 10 char

 

Economies of scale

 

My conjecture is that it's cuz of Apple.
Small devices, tablets are competing with Apple with super high res.
Before Apple started the high res retina craze, laptops were all going the crappy display route, with industry giving us the bs that they were being forced by panel makers into accepting crappy displays. When Apple put retina displays in their devices, this line magically vanished.

Why aren't high res displays being put into 17 inch laptops? Because there is no competing apple product, and the industry execs are idiots with no vision.

 

It's cheaper. That's why. Anything done in business is done because it maximizes profits. Why do you think 4k TV's start at like $1500 and go up to $25000*? It will change as time passes. Production processes become cheaper.

*http://www.abt.com/product/89518/Samsung-UN88JS9500FXZA.html?utm_source=scfroogle&utm_medium=sc&utm_campaign=UN88JS9500

 

It's a conspiracy!

 

Pretty much this. I highly doubt that we'd be seeing all these high-res IPS displays in laptops now if it hadn't been for Apple. Back in the day when I was hopelessly looking for a Windows laptop, I wanted a display like this, but there were barely any out there. Now they're all over the place and it really started with the "Retina" display.

Anyway, while I've seen a number of 15-inch laptops with these screens, I'm not surprised there aren't any in the 17-inch and above market. 17-inch laptops were already marginal and they're more marginal than ever. Nobody wants 17-inch laptops. They're not worth developing new expensive panels for them.

 

As sad as it is to say, Apple was the first to put high res screens in their notebooks. Why all the other manufactures are so stupid I do not know. Any one of them could have done it first and saw an extreme boost in sales.

This issue is actually one of the main things that finally pushed me into getting a desktop PC. For years I was laptops only, until I could find one with the res I wanted in the size I wanted.

 

There are many of us who want a 17 inch laptop, 18.4 inch even. I loved my HP 18.4 pavilion.

 

I know, right?!
Display is the thing users stare at all the time they are using the device. It should have been super easy to market. One would think at least ONE of the cretin product development managers would have hung out at laptop forums, and observed the rave reviews of thinkpad UXGA screens and figured out a market opportunity.

 

actually not quite ..... Apple just brought back hihg res screens and marketed them better. WAYYYYY back with the r50/t60 thinkpad era ad a bunch of others ( NEC, Toshiba etc ) we had wide gamut 2048 X 1536 screens in 15" laptops that even while being ccfl and old tech were actually still a better panel than the first couple generations of retina's

a small tidbit of information was apple was actually foeced to do something because of how OSX renders its screen fonts. since the days of windows 2000 pro MS has had a very clear and sharp font rendering as where OSX was very ragged looking so it became a case of doubling up resolutions to sharpen the fonts came about. although for the first couple itineration's most of the rest of your objects on screen OTHER than fonts were rendered 2x2 pixels to essentially act as a lower resolution screen.

75% of my work is still in 1080 etc because resolution does not always equate a good screen either

 

Was there ever a laptop with 2048 X 1536 screens? AFAIK only the R50 was compatible with such a screen, but the screen was not provided by IBM.

 

3k display in a gaming notebook with all the power of roughly a gtx 760. Makes sense.

 

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A wise man at Ubisoft once said:



And I agree. Give me a 1080p 4ms 144Hz adaptive refresh 100% aRGB calibrated color accurate IPS screen *breathe*

Couldn't care less about 3K and 4K in a laptop, any sized laptop.

 

No, I would rather play my games at approximately 15 fps, I'm going for that ultra cinematic feel.

 

Even 4k on my 39" is alot of work to read. I don't use it for videos or gaming, but sitting less than 3 feet away from it, its hard to use for windows desktop. I think 55 is a more realistic size.

 

They have wise men at Ubishaft?

 

IBM sold those screens in a few thinkpad models direct in Can and Europe for certain. NEC had models all over Japan and Toshiba had a couple. my old stock thinkpad is still in use as ordered with it. they were all the rage for doing data analysis and some publishing work in Adobe Pagemaker and Corel Draw.

 

This bothers me too, I am a power user and want the power of my desktop in my laptop. Using that as the base, a 17 or 18 inch laptop that is loaded is not that far fetched idea. I mean, I am looking at upgrading to a Galaxy Note 5 and that will have a 4k screen..... Why can't I get a 4k or even a 5k screen in a 17 or 18 inch laptop.

Did you know that the Raspberry Pi 2 is more powerful than the 386sx 33mhz pc I have with 4mb ram and an 80mb hard drive? and the Raspberry Pi 2 fits in the palm of my hand.

Well, Your 15 inch over priced Macbook Pro (which weighs in at half an ounce) that is actually slower than the Alienware laptop I am running is great for surfing the web, checking emails, taking a leak, etc if that is what you use your laptop for. :-D

I mean when Apple can offer a 48 core, 256mb cache, 1024gb ram, 5 petabyte SSD, Macbook that wieghs in at less than a pound, with a 15k resolution screen...... ok, I might not care anymore.

 

Won't happen. Apple is about thinner and lighter now in laptops and chic rather than ultimate performance. Phones are easier to optimize, as they run limited software. You need performance, you will need muscles. and Apple has abandoned the creative professional and power user base over the last number of years.

 

Jokebooks that Starbucks latte sippers like to use to talk to their Facebook friends and tweet on

 

Do you know the Toshiba and NEC models by any chance?

 

not anymore, I just remember drooling over them a decade ago when I was trying to convince people my MacBook Pro's had great screens and then spent a couple years in denial.

 

That's pretty untrue.

Apple has its MacBook Pro 15" series for power-users that need mobility (like professional graphics designers and photographers). They absolutely have not abaondoned that power user base.

Apple also has its mass market consumer line, where you see the Macbook Air and MacBooks. Apple doesn't design those laptops for power computing, because consumers don't need computing power. Students, consumers, and even a "typical" white-collar office worker doesn't need more than a web browser, email client, office productivity suite, and a few desktop apps. These types of users aren't going to be running databases or multiple VMs on their machines.

The reason you hear about the "thin and light" Apple laptops are because they get media attention. They are sexy. They grab headlines.

But make no mistake... Apple absolutely has not abandoned its professional users that buy MacBook Pros and Mac Pros. They don't need to put a lot of marketing muscle into that group of buyers, because they are already locked in to Apple. Apple puts marketing into the students / consumers / office workers because that's a contested area where they can steal customers away from Dell / HP / Lenovo

 

All of Apple's current 'mobile workstations' are overpriced nonsense, just like most of the stuff they sell.

 

Their workstations are overpriced because they can get away with it. Its ecosystem lock.

If you're a working professional that depends on using professionals grade software that runs best on Mac OSX, you're going to buy a Mac Pro or Macbook Pro no matter what it costs.

Those types of buyers aren't going g to re-buy thousands of dollars of photo / video / graphics editing tools and learn a new OS just because they can save a few hundred bucks by switching to a Windows based system.

Its ecosystem lock-in. And the people *IN* that ecosystem don't mind at all. Why WOULDNT you charge them a premium for that?

 

But do remember this, sometimes they must leave Apple to get their workflows done with acceptable throughput. Photoshop on the Macintosh was last on par with the PC at version 5.0. The professional video editors abandoned Macs with FCP-X aka iMovie Pro and switched to workstations and Adobe Premiere Pro. In the professional fields, time is money! Get the workflow out the door and on time. The music industry is the last field where Apple still has a major share. Macs are slow rendering machines. And save for Mac Pro, their GPU is too far behind to be competitive either. My wife's employers have abandoned Apple in the TV field, so has the local Knoxville TV stations and Jewelry Television not to mention many others. They're using workstation laptops and Adobe Premiere Pro.

 

The MacBook Pro sucks when pushed hard. What are you talking about? A power user who values that over looks and social cachet will not use one.


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Kent T is correct. I've been editing video since the mid 90's and about 3 years ago now I was pretty much forced out of the Apple ecosystem for my pro work as the offerings had no advantages and far too many limitations. yes I gave up thinner and lighter but I cut my rendering times back by over half, gained on stability ( OSX has been less stable since 10.7) and features ( 100% aRGB screens and vast storage). The Apple/Adobe pissing contest made Adobe CS a better windows product than Apple and then Apple tossed us under the bus with FCP-X. most of the editing houses I deal with now have or are transitioning to Premier Pro, AVID etc. on PC based equipment for new gear or setting up bootcamp/ 7 Pro on Mac Pro's and iMacs.

Sad part is I can also understand why, more profit in selling and supporting to the base consumer market that they have. the pro market is very limited and we tend to be higher support as we push our gear far harder.


and Kent T the trashcan GPU's ( Mac Pro ) in a lot of work is useless as well since a pile of legacy pro apps did use CUDA and if you want to take advantage of the Fire Pro cards you need to spend quite a few thousand upgrading software as well.

 

Well put!

 

I know people hate the term Isheep, but you have Isheep and then you have the people herding the Isheep. You can be an Isheep, or you can be the person running the flock.... Take your pick.

I did a recent comparison between the most expensive Macbook Pro I could buy and the most expensive Alienware Laptop I could buy.

The Alienware had a faster processor, more ram, larger Hard drives or SSD's for about $1500 less (We are talking about the mac daddy laptop's in both manufacturer's line up's) as of a week ago.

I run the flock of sheep, instead of being a by stander.

The other issues, The Macbook I buy today won't run Mac OSX 11 when it comes out.... the pc laptop I buy today.... even a $500 model will run Windows 10, 11 and probably Windows 12 when it comes out.....

 

First off, it's spelled herding.

Secondly, didn't most macs get a free upgrade to the latest version of cat software? I don't think it's fair to say a MacBook you buy today won't run OS X 11, and I hate Macs.

Even then, I think the "Mack daddy" laptop from each manufacturer is pursuing different goals, with accompanying trade offs (power vs weight and thickness come to mind)...

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