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    When will we know about Broadwell?

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by ComradeQuestion, Jun 13, 2013.

  1. ComradeQuestion

    ComradeQuestion Notebook Consultant

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    I'm not buying Haswell for at least another two months, if I buy it at all. If I end up hearing that Broadwell will finally bring 8 core processors to mobile, I'll wait regardless.

    When will intel release more information?
     
  2. IntelUser

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    You are not going to see 8 core mobile processors, probably not even in Skylake. In Broadwell, they'll skip a version for socket Desktop chips.
     
  3. tilleroftheearth

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    As we don't have 8 core desktop cpu's yet, I doubt we'll see it anytime soon in a mobile setup.

    Buy a Haswell based platform if you see benefits over your existing setup; but be prepared to buy a Broadwell based platform too (i.e. don't get the 'ultimate' Haswell and kill your near future budget just yet).


    Good luck.
     
  4. ComradeQuestion

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    Well, it's just that we see it in ARM. And AMD does have an 8 core CPU out. But I suppose it's wishful thinking.

    What does this mean?

    I'm on nehalem now, so it would be a large improvement. Especially for what I do. But if I were to buy Haswell now I wouldn't be buying Broadwell in a year.

    I'm just wondering when intel will start talking about Broadwell. How long after a release do they usually wait?
     
  5. Loney111111

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    Intel mentioned that there will be a Haswell refresh in 2014, and Broadwell won't come out until 2015.
     
  6. Jarhead

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    We do in fact have 8-core CPUs in desktops. Not as powerful as a potential Intel 8-core, but it's there.

    As for OP, if you need a laptop now, just buy now, but if you want to wait, might as well wait indefinitely since there'll always be something better around the corner ;)
     
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    Yeah; we have an AMD 8 Core cpu.

    I was talking about an 8 Intel Core CPU.

    See AMD 8 Core 8320 PM score '8189':
    PassMark - AMD FX-8320 Eight-Core - Price performance comparison


    See Intel 6 Core CPU PM score '12931':
    PassMark - Intel Core i7-3970X @ 3.50GHz - Price performance comparison



    A Haswell/Broadwell based 8 Core Intel CPU (with TDP similar to AMD's FX series) should be good for triple (no, probably more...) than what AMD's 8 cores can give us (even in ~2015).


    ...


    Nehalem platform? From 2008?

    It doesn't seem like you should be worrying what will be coming out so soon (one or two years) if you buy Haswell today. ;)
     
  8. ComradeQuestion

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    Yeah, i5 520m. It's alright, but my demands have grown and two cores isn't really enough. 4 with hyperthreading would work, but more would be ideal. The instruction sets in Haswell are good for me, but if there were a 6 core or 8 core mobile CPU coming out in a year I'd rather just wait until then. I have to buy a computer next summer at the latest.

    Is there a link to more information on this?
     
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    Let's see what Steamroller and Kaveri has to offer during Christmas...
     
  11. RainMan_

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    I'm planning to buy a new laptop after exactly one year from now, what combo should I expect, I mean like Broadwell/Maxwell or what?
     
  12. ComradeQuestion

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    That really sucks about Broadwell not coming. Guess that's what happens when you don't have competition, you can slow down.

    Hopefully this refresh has something more interesting than just a clockrate boost.
     
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    In 'exactly' one year from now, you'll still be able to choose SNB, IB, Haswell and possibly Haswell 'refreshed' if we're lucky.
     
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    For what is possible you need to look at the Intel ivybridge Xeons.

    The Mac pro will use a 12 core xeon processor(115-130w). The same generation of Xeons will also have a 70W 10 core chip, a 60w 8 core chip and a 45w 6 core chip. So a 6 core 45w chip is certainly available, even for the ivy bridge generation. But the turbo frequency of these chips are not high, which in turn will affect single threaded performance. Single threaded performance is important for consumer market. If you need the cores you can buy these chips and put them in a single socket consumer board like the Asus WS series. but in most cases an overclcoked X79 6 core will be as fast in multicore and much faster in single core performance.

    Intel will eventually release 8 core mobile CPUs, but only when a high turbo frequency can be reached in a 45w chip. Lets say am 8 core 2.9ghz (turbo all cores) with an IGP in a 45w power envelope. Im guessing we are atleast another die shrink away.
     
  15. ComradeQuestion

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    Yeah, unfortunately Xeon desktops like that Mac are really expensive. It'd be great, but I prefer mobile, and it's pretty pricey.

    I can handle 4 cores, I suppose. From what I've seen the 4900QM should be 3-6X as fast compared to my i5 520m, especially for my workload.
     
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    What about NVIDIA Maxwell ?
     
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    That's just for Desktops. We should see Broadwell on Laptops and Ultrabooks. It's just like how we didn't see 32nm quad core Westmere chips on the Desktop LGA1156 platform, but had 32nm Westmere based Clarkdale/Arrandale(Yes I know Clarkdale is Desktop but just saying the transition will be similar).

    Umm, we'll actually see Broadwell for Desktops, but later. The Haswell refresh platform supports Broadwell.
     
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    Broadwell I am predicting this is when DDR4 support will start and be the key feature, or some kind of hybrid like the like the X38/X48 days when the DDR2/DDR3 change was in progress, therefore Intel can still push cheap DDR3