T7500 or T8100 - confusing for me!

I am buying a thinkpad. In the proc choices, there is the choice:
T8100 VS T7500

the T8100 is a 2.1GHz 800MHz 3MBL2
the T7500 is a 2.2GHz 800MHz 4MBL2

the difference, is that to go with the T7500, it will cost 33 $ (vs none for the T8100 - ie 0$ if I go from the T7250 (2.0GHz 800MHz 2MBL2) to the T8100).

Any input in those proc ? Any help appreciated

Sebastien

PS: I will get a 120 gb @5400 rpm, a nvidi Gpu, BT, Intel AGN, 3 gb ram is that make any difference.

 

T8100. It's a new Penryn processor, you will not feel any decrease in speed, you will gain battery life (slightly).

 

interesting.

Cause for the same price (33$) I can go for the T8300 (2.4GHz 800MHz 3MBL2) [add $33.25].

IS the cache really that important (2 vs 3 vs 4 ) ?

Worth it paying 33$ (and the sales tax on it at the end!) or better to stick for the 8100 ?

Are those new proc. reliable ?

S.

 

Cache is important, but I believe that the T8100 is better and the T8300 better than a T8100 . Get whatever you want, but get the new ones.

 

For $33 I would go with the 8300 over the 7500. 1mb less of cache is not that big of a deal for 200MHz of speed gained. Also, the penryn processors are supposed to be slightly faster clock for clock and run cooler, so I would definitely take the T8xxx series.

 

They both run at 800Mhz ..... so I will just go for a 8300 over a 7500 just for the cooling effect ?

Also I saw this blog:
http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/01/02/penryn-laptops-roll-out/

are the new Penryn ok with Santa Rosa ? ie Worth it still ? ( i mean, i can save 300 $, I know it is not much, but I try to stretch the budget as much as I can

S.

 

Umm, the 8300 is 200MHz faster than the 7500, so it's more than just for the cooling effect. And like I said before, the new penryns are more efficient clock for clock than the older meroms, so thus that 200MHz difference is slightly more.

 

neat. Thanks for the input

technology start to go way to fast, a sign of getting older maybe

S.

 

I would go for Penryn aka T8100, more power efficent, cooler than Merom, etc.

 

I recommend sticking with the T8100 instead of the T8300 . . . both have the same amount of cache and FSB speed, the only difference is 200MHz in clockspeed. That is an unnoticeable and insignificant difference. Save the $33 and buy a bag or sleeve for the machine.

 

Really ?

there is a 300 Mhz difference between the 8100 and the 8300.

Dunno if it is different in real life (video editing, podcasting, encoding mp3 file).

Will this make a difference ? Or I stick with the 8100 ?

S.

 

200MHz, 300MHz - doesn't matter. For the majority of tasks you will not notice. Unless you are encoding for hours, the time difference will be insignificant. When buying a notebook, $33 is a trivial amount but it can be spent elsewhere. It's up to you. More processing power never hurt anyone.

 

Good point. And As one said, I slept on it and come up with something!

I still need your help thought

I will grab the T8100, and for the money saved, I would like to grab a not expensive video card for my desktop (optiplex SFF 745), as, just like for my laptop, I am encoding DVD that I am creating.

So far I had the integrated graphic, but well, will be better with a video card

I run XP PRo SP2, am thinking about a vista ready one (if I sold my desktop later and install vista).
I only have 2 slots - both are low profile.
And I use one of them for a firewire card
http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-...?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201705253&sr=8-19

I found those 2 video cards:
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-H155HMF12...8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201705045&sr=8-8
http://www.amazon.com/Nvidia-Geforc...3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201705045&sr=8-3

Are those good ? I will just plug the computer screen on it - vga - (and well, just edit videos, maybe few games)

Are those compatible with my pci slot that is left ?

here are the spec for the desktop:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/opti_745techspecs.pdf

It is a Small Form Factor.

Sorry, I do not know anything when it come to low profile, pcie ....

Any advice greatly appreciated

Sebastien

PS: I have one PCI and one PCI-express x16 on this machine. One is used by the firewire card that you see above. Can't remember where I put it (the pci or the pci-e!)

Picture before the firewire below (I install the firewire card in the black slot)

 

We're certainly going off-topic here, but this is your thread.

The video card goes in the PCI-express x16 slot - this card you linked won't work because it is AGP 4X/8X:
http://www.amazon.com/Nvidia-Geforc...3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201705045&sr=8-3

Doesn't your desktop have onboard/integrated graphics already? Integrated graphics are fine for the stuff you mentioned with the exception of the games.

 

off topic, certainely!, but well, it is still about the money saved, innit ?

Yep, I have some integrated graphic, I was just wondering if a video card will make a difference (in making dvds, encoding videos ...)

I am producing a podcast (audio and video) - so I either wanted a good audio card or a video card. One or the other (the audio integrated card in this desktop are bad - can not even add a "virtual" driver - kinda terrible!)

Any recommendation ? Or I just leave it like that (ie not worth the price to have a video card ?)

Sebastien

PS: this is the thing - if I go T8300, I do not grab a video/audio card. If I grab the T8100, I will
I already have bags and all of the extra!

 

The video card won't make a difference for making DVDs or encoding videos, no. The only place where it would come in handy is for 3D games. The sound card upgrade is what I would recommend, I agree a lot of onboard sound is terrible. The Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE is a decent card for the money.

 

true.

But a quick search seems to not find any audio card in pci-e x16 in low profile ....
Or I can go with a usb creative, but kinda of a pain.

Sometimes I wish I will not think too much about those kind of stuff

S.

 

The sound card doesn't need to be x16 pci-e only the video card.
This pci low profile card should work in your pci slot
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102010
As for low profile video cards in x16 pci-e here is a quick search I did on newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&Description=Low-Profile&name=PCI+Express+x16
I like the x1650 pro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102716
but you can look here for a break down on video cards
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html

-Skyguard

P.S. For $33 more I would get the T8300

 

Thanks! Very helpful

So now, too many choices .... the video card or the sound card ... mmmm.

What is your take ? I record podcasts in audio and video (I also use a griffin imic, but i also miss the "stereo out" in the mixer - dell removed it from their optiplex!)

Plus the prices you gave are cheap

But I do not get it for the pci-e x16. As stated in the pdf above, the optiplex I have says that I have 1 pci and 1 pci-e - Is the white slot not just for the video (and is it possible to stick something else than the video card)

I am leaning towards the audio, as well, the integrated video is doing fine for now. Or can order both, and swap

What's your take ?

S.

PS: yep I like the T8300

 

I'm having kinda the same dilemma, but the question boils down to this:

- Slight increase in speed / battery VS 1Mb L2 Cache

T8300 is not worth the upgrade IMO, few hundred MHz is really insignificant nowadays unless you run some crazy math / engineering programs

 

I will personally go for the increase in battery

But that is just me.

As for the T8300 - I am also thinking about a resell value. In 2 - 2,5 years from now, most cpu will be at min 2Ghz in C2D, and well, most people just look at the speed (not what is it nor the buffer size!)

S.

PS: the few Mhz will help when I encode videos. I spend 5 hours for 2-3 videos that are only 10-30 min long (along with more ram too

Also some post above stated that the new proc (perynn) where cooler ....

 

get a T9500, it will boost a lot...

 

yeh if you are encoding video then the time saved might be worth it. for my graduation project my render finished 10mins too late for my presentation so i had to use an old one with decreased resolution....not that it impacted my grades but still, it could have been a disaster if i didnt backup the old renders.


dont think about resale. in 2 years everything will be quadcore. i doubt anyone will buy a pentium centrino M 1.5 now days, even for a couple hundred bucks.

 

For the Small Form Factor PC listed in your post the specs sheets you linked says you have 1 PCI low-profile slot and 1 x16 low-profile slot pci-e slot so you should be able to put both the sound card and a video card if you not useing them currently. Also PCI and PCI-e are not compatible slots so you have to use PCI cards in PCI slots and PCI-e cards in PCI-e slots (but the PCI-e card doesn't have to be 16x as your PCI-e 16x slot useable with pci-e 8x, 4x and 1x cards, but since its a 16x slot I would used it for a video card.)

-Skyguard

 

True, but most casual users do not look into the proc per say. If the laptop runs great, can be updated to vista or others (I added 1 gb of ram on my hp dv1000), a nice HDD, well, a couple hundred bucks is better than none

S.

 

That has to be a joke, please tell me that's a joke.

The T9500 is the most pointless cpu Intel have ever released.

 

Ok, smart guy, now show me the same chart of the T9300 (2.5GHz, 800MHz FSB, 6MB L2 cache) versus the T9500 (2.6GHz, 800MHz FSB, 6MB L2 cache) and we'll see how well the utterly insignificant miniscule increase in performance the 100MHz increase the T9500 has over the otherwise identical T9300 justifies the hike in price between the two.

Where there is a T9300 available the T9500 will never be worth buying.

 

Haha, nice.

 

I'll also point out that the difference in price to buy the chips by themselves is around $215. $215 for 100MHz. Bargain.

 

yah T9500 is definitely ridiculous, it actually is the most pointless current intel proc I'm aware of.

 

if the prices are same , get the T8300 , faster , I tried it and compared it against the T7500.

mine was on a HP DV2700T , though.

 

yeah, the newest is the best , I would go for the T9300 or T8300 just because they are newer than the T7500.

 

I got the 8300

Interesting you have a Dv2700t. I was actually hesitating between the TP r61 and the HP (I really do like HP), but the TP ended up cheaper and a tad better

How do you like this new DV2700 ? not a lot of review about ir so far ....

S.