Intel will follow Nvidia regarding castration of the amount cores for their coming Cpus in notebooks

Intel will follow Nvidia regarding castration of the amount cores for their coming Cpus in notebooks vs desktops.

Its already widely known that the graphics cards (silicon) used in etc 3080 notebooks isn't the same GPU as in the 3080 desktop cards. They also skrapped the faster GDDR6X vram for their 3000 series graphics cards in laptops. Known as Ampere arch. Castrating the TGP/TDP wasn't enough to be able to put it into todays new thinner and skinny gaming laptop design. And differerent graphics TDP depending on the cooling for same SKU names is a way to further water-down the performance vs the real desktop graphics in same series as etc 3080 in desktop builds. Damn disgusting.

Yep the sick direction/trend for (gaming) notebooks goes the wrong way. All the hardware manufacturers as Intel, Nvidia and AMD seems to help the notebook OEMs to create even thinner and lighter joke-books with sleek and pretty Apple design at the expense of raw/better performance. This is just sad.

Alleged Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Roadmap Leaks With 14-Core Flagship hothardware.com | 3rd Oct 2021

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The future is bleak for technology if you are a PC enthusiast, and bleakness starts and ends with the pathetic trash called notebooks. The thin and light, long battery run-time sheeple are destroying all things related to PC and we are swiftly approaching a time with nothing, anywhere, is going to be worth a damn. We're already on the threshold of that right now. It sure didn't take very long for the brain cancer to metastasize.

Some folks actually get excited about it.

 

Technically speaking he is wrong. First of all ADL-P with a max core count of 6+8 gives 14 cores which is a bit more than current gen has to offer and secondly there is also a ADL-S BGA version coming with 8+8 cores: https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2021/07/Intel-Alder-Lake-Mobile.jpg

He might ignore the efficient cores and doesn't count them but that is another thing. Alder Lake-P isn't just a higher end mobile, it will replace the current TGL-U 15-28W lineup with only 4 cores. ADL-P looks much more capable to me.

 

I think he meant there's a different version of the design instead of disabling 2 defective cores for the 6+8 from a 8+8. There's always a Clevo/Tongfang variant every now and then.

 

To be fair Intel has already been doing this right?

I mean we have 10 cores in mainstream 10 series but laptops never got a 10 core, only 8.

If we count HEDT then it's a whole different story.

ADL-P is 6+8 from what they're saying and ADL desktop flagship is 8+8 so it's missing two cores just like 10 series 10900K vs laptop 10980HK.

 

I honestly stopped caring about gaming notebooks when the marketing for them became "more RGB"

 

@Papusan Intel is dead to me, the 11700kf inside my x170km-g just makes me wish more for a ryzen cpu to take it's place. It's only a matter of time before Clevo switches the flagship with a ryzen cpu instead of an outdated inefficient space heater intel chip. Why is an 8 core 16 thread cpu drawing 250w under load at stock? Even with an undervolt, this is unacceptable lol.

 

Trust me... Ryzen isn't a barrel of monkeys. I find it severely overrated and the shortcomings glossed over by Team Red fanboys. Lots of things about it leave something to be desired. I like some things about my 5950X, but there are just as many things about it that I hate. If I could have a do-over I would stick with the 10900K and Z490 Dark motherboard that it replaced. Overall, the 10900K was a better product than 5950X.

And, that USB drop-out thing that AMD claims they fixed. It's not fixed. It might not be as bad as it was in the beginning, but it still happens randomly. That doesn't excuse the icky path Intel is taking, but some of what they are doing replicates some of what is wrong with Ryzen.

And, heat? An overclocked Ryzen CPU runs just as hot, clock-for-clock and watt-for-watt, maybe even a little hotter, than an Intel CPU based on my experience. The main differences are Ryzen firmware absolutely sucks and Ryzen CPUs don't overclock as well. I would say AMD memory latency is horrible, but 11th Gen Intel is giving them a run for the money on who can reach the bottom the fastest on horrible memory latency. With Intel you can tune away a lot of that latency problem through custom memory configuration, but that doesn't solve it for Ryzen.

 

The systems I’ve used Ryzen with on the 5xxx series haven’t had any usb dropout issues, I’ve noticed compared with my intel water cooled setups that amd runs way cooler as it pulls way less wattage. For an overclockers perspective where performance is key yes Intel is better no doubt, more turning, better overclocking even a better feature set. AMD have a lot to learn but for a laptop that you want at stock with the full performance it’s capable off I know a 5900X - 5950X wouldn’t throttle in this chassis whereas an i7 - i9 11th gen would. Moral of the story is, I should have gone with 10th gen, a 10900k specifically, that with 10 cores sucked less power than my 11700kf and temps could be controlled easily.

In conclusion both have flaws, but if you want stock performance without tuning I think Ryzen is the way to go, for me personally it’s just worked no ifs or buts, no undervolting needed, no tuning needed nothing. On intel this is a reoccurring theme especially in laptops. I would say one thing, Ryzen is picky about ram, but the x170km has been plagued with ram issues already…

 

Most likely it's reading VID, not vcore.
Most of the time the real power draw is anywhere from less to substantially less compared to what SVID is reporting.
SVID allows communication for the CPU to share VID with this protocol, and I'm not sure where it gets amps from. Probably another register in the CPU, which then saves power draw as a third register.
But this all depending on the default values your board uses.
It's difficult to know without direct access to the VRM.
How accurate your power draw is wrt reality depends on the AC and DC Loadline values as well as your board adheres to Intel's stock Loadline spec for that platform (typically 1.1 mOhms on Z490/Z590)
ACLL is the voltage supply and DCLL is the voltage measurement (used in both power measurements and calculating final VID). The only way your power draw is going to be accurately reported is if "DC Loadline" in milliohms is equal to the VRM's stock loadline value the motherboard(laptop) is using. DCLL can be changed in the internal VR settings (on APTIO Bios) but it has almost no effect on real vcore or power draw, just reporting (there is apparently "some" very minor effect that seems to affect low power states in some way or affects the V/F curve). There is supposed to be a "DC Loadline Override" option on APTIO in "Overclocking performance menu", that "theoretically" is supposed to actually change loadline calibration itself somehow through SVID, but the few people who tested that on Z370/Z390 "laptop" boards, said it was non-functional. Probably the laptop has the VRM loadline completely hardwired.

 

Mine get worse with overclocking. Where it is most evident is when running Cinebench or when attempting to create Macrium Reflect images on an external USB HDD. I've had times that it took 4 or 5 attempts to write the image to the USB drive because of the USB drop-out issue. That seems to be a sustained writing operation of very large files that triggers it. And, I am not sure what or why it happens running Cinebench with the CPU heavily overclocked. I'm not sure why there is even a causal relationship there. I am on the latest firmware with the most current AGESA.

 

Ive been checking power draw from the wall using a watt meter, factoring out the 50-60w idle wattage. I’ve also used the total power draw sensor in hwinfo and intel xtu to confirm my suspicions. Either my core voltage is too high, which would explain a lot as I’ve undervolted 140mv which is a lot I haven’t tried any higher either.
Or my chip is a dud which is also possible.

Also the 250w was recorded when running cinebench, it doesn’t pull anywhere near that in games at least

 

Or, you've got Clevo firmware messes, LOL. I should say "laptop firmware messes" because Clevo doesn't have a patent on firmware trash. That's one of the "joys" of owning laptops.

 

Whatever it is it definitely needs fixing, although I didn’t have problems with my build I know a friend that did, a motherboard swap stopped the dropout issues for him but performance wasn’t as good. AMD still have a lot to learn…

 

How much should this cpu draw max? I’m kinda worried now lol.

 

I am not sure because I don't have anything with an 11th Gen CPU. But, I am typing my reply on my desktop that has the 10900KF. This is the system I use for work. I have it set to run 5.0GHz on all cores, cache set to 47x. Voltage under load is 1.296V and idle I am seeing about 16W of power draw. If I run a CPU-Z benchmark, about 190W.

 

Still havent experienced any usb dropout issues and none of my systems are currently functioning in a manner that the OEM's would sign off on, to make it even weirder, I never updated my sBIOS so it should be either release or close to release version.

 

My next purchase will be a GTX 2080 for my P775DM3-G and will invest in a proper desktop with probably a AMD CPU and a nVidia GPU (because AMD drivers suck for GPU's lol)

 

@DaMafiaGamer You've forgot that Intel back-ported the Rocket arch and put it on 14nm+++++++++++. The Red side of the fence doesn't mean you'll be more happy Maybe they even will offer the castrated OEM desktop chips with 65W TDP.

But one thing for sure... If Clevo find out that they will offer a AMD chips into a X170 chassis they will make a cooling that match the lower power consumption from the Ryzen chips (less metal is needed for power efficient chips) And why jump on AMD now so late in the life cycle? Lack of chips + less support from AMD doesn't help them to cut costs or boost the sales (need chips).

And I'm not even sure Clevo will make a new LGA/MXM monster-book as the P870/X170. The thin Apple trend (the modern baby-books) have come too far to be stopped. Clevo want also a bit more of that cake.

In short... What you ask for bro @DaMafiaGamer or want, is a change that you later will hate as the plague. Amd won't be the golden saviour as you think. We have enough cancer-books as it is.

H45 Mobile processors have followed same core counts as mainstream desktop chips a decade or longer back. The only Sku that didn’t follow same paths was 10th gen. Maybe Intel have found a new way to charge even more $$$. Offer H55 at premium for the very few laptops that can halfway cool it The i9 was the last trick to push higher prices for the lower binned BGA chips. Add in the H55 moniker on top will probably push the prices 100$ up over the H45 series mobile chips. And what gain will you get? Many of the newer gaming laptops already struggle to cool the i9, hence people say you should jump on the i7 and scrap the more expensive Cpu.

TDP FOR NOTEBOOK CPUS - When the Core i9 loses to the Core i7 computerbase.de
Not only with mobile gaming graphics cards, the TDP decides more than ever about the performance, CPUs also depend significantly on it.

 

I might be the contrarian on this topic but I'm not entirely convinced the move towards thin/light is in the wrong direction. Take the Alienware/Dell X17 as a prime example; this is a laptop that uses premium components in a thin/light case and delivers, at best, mediocre performance. I believe this was a design decision and possibly not a bad one.

Let's establish something up front, a "not bad" decision shouldn't be confused with a good one. It's my opinion that enthusiasts are in the clear minority and casual users represent the majority by a significant margin. I did, and still do, laptop maintenance and repair as a side gig; the number of high-end laptops out there paired with users that have no clue what they bought is shocking. Even on these forums, we have evidence of many that make purchase decisions based on how a laptop looks, or some other marketing gimmick rather than a deep analysis of what they need. The X17 represents the industry balancing cost and performance with what tech is available while meeting consumer demand for the 'perfect' laptop. That laptop is thin, light, powerful, with a 5+ hour run time. Does the X17 achieve this? Yes.

The problem enthusiasts have with this is the components selected for the X17 are all underperforming. They are necessarily hobbled for all the reasons contained in this thread and elsewhere on the forums; heat production, not enough power, and parts designed with limitations due to the form factor. Is it a good laptop? That's a subjective question and one where we will all likely find faults as well as positives from the example given. Objectively, we can all agree it isn't performing to the sum of what its components can offer, but I don't believe that was ever the plan.

Ultimately, and now with 600W GPUs on the horizon, I highly doubt we will see a return to desktop level parts in a mobile platform. Well, not in any way that makes sense. There will always be some niche boutique that makes insane 6 kg "laptops" that use socketed everything and cost as much as a car. That isn't reasonable for most and not a working example of what any of us really need anyway.

I want a laptop that I can do almost anything with. It needs to be reasonably light because I ride a motorcycle and a 5 kg kit isn't friendly towards my 46-year-old back. I enjoy playing a wide variety of games, some of which push the hardware, so I need it to be powerful but not insane. I do work with Blender and I enjoy seeing my renders in a few hours rather than several days after a bake. Lastly, I don't want to pay double for a desktop and laptop; I think my demand for a single piece of electronics is not crazy. Right now, I have the laptop in my signature. It's getting it done and runs nearly 8 hours on a full charge away from the wall (doing light office work and surfing the web). I can do nearly everything with it and I still have the AGA that will get an upgraded GPU once prices make sense again. It is thin, light, and powerful. It has a BGA CPU and GPU. I knew this was the case when I bought it and I'm okay with it.

What I would like to see OEMs do is be transparent about what they are selling and what we can expect. I think all the big manufacturers need to take a good look at Framework and see that a new laptop every year is a horrible idea and that upgradability is something we would all be interested in if it made sense financially. Hobbling performance isn't bad if they are clear as to why and what that means for the end user.

 

Whether or not one agrees with it is another matter, but you present a very clear and intelligent case explaining the basis for your satisfaction with your system. It's always nice to see an example of a good communicator, because that is something our world seems to be lacking.

 

Overall, I can agree with your assessment and your conclusion (for your situation).

However, there is not one manufacturer that can give what you're asking for and still make money in the long term.

For myself, having a single device isn't an option (no matter what I can or want to spend). Just like a woodworker that has 30 favorite chisels, 10 favorite sanding blocks, and 5 favorite saws knows that only one of those will fit the specific job on hand, I've also come to realize that the tools I need must be specialized to the task and environment I'm in now.

I am fortunate to have access to multiple desktops and notebooks as needed. But as a minimum, I need a digital notebook (EVO), a mobile workstation (Lenovo), and at least two desktops that I can depend on. I don't blame manufacturers for not offering a single device. Nor do I care about upgrading a running system either (I buy platforms that are already maxed out). I buy the most computer at each level I can, and upgrade when something significantly better comes along.

To me, this is another form of 'backup'. This time, not of the data, itself, rather, the hardware needed to do something with that data. This is what a lot of clients fail to consider when setting up their IT infrastructure for the long term.

And yes, I can do almost any of the tasks I need on any of the devices mentioned above, but the tools/platforms I've set up for that specific process will always be worth driving across the city for. If time (and energy and lost opportunity to multitask, etc.) is a factor (and it always is).

 

Don't really have an issue with thin and lights as long as I don't have to tear it down 30 times to get expected performance relative to the components.

 

Just stop brand them DTR's.

Latest news from Intel.

Intel confirms Alder Lake-P & H mobile specs, publishes hybrid architecture optimization guide for developers

Source: Intel

 

Well yeah thats why I said thin and lights, but also agreed.

I am interested in the phone cores as a supplement but given how resource heavy Windows 10 is an Win11 will likely be I dont see it working well. It would be one thing if you could personally assign services that run on the weak cores so as to allocate more of the totality in the CPU for advanced workloads. Maybe Linux will take more advantage of this new approach given how modular it can be.

With Intel being Intel and Microsoft being Microsoft its hard to see it as anything more than a justified reason for either maintaining current pricing or increasing their pricing while injecting more nonsense into the OS. Even the current widgets are already annoying as hell and its hard to see how this wouldnt justify them to add even more. If I wanted a weather widget I would get one, if I wanted a curated news feed I would get one.

I guess they think its been long enough to distance themselves from the last major Atom push on those netbooks, another decent idea bogged down by leftover ancient chipsets to now name the new little cores as Atoms :/

 

I have no problem with a company selling stuff that I consider to be rubbish. There is a market for trash and I can understand why some people want or believe they need stuff that I view as garbage. The real problem is the lack of alternatives if you want something awesome. Compromise has become the new and unfortunate standard. When the bar is set low enough it becomes too easy to offer something better that still sucks, and it makes it possible to be the best at something and still suck at it.

The lying and misrepresentation is common and unacceptable.

 

You know, as stupid and outlandish this may sound, why don't you and other like-minded individuals band together to create a laptop. A laptop in which you and others will have complete control over, and can change/tweak it how you please until it meets all of your (and many others) expectations.

Again, I know it sounds stupid, but you can look at people like B.O.A.T, who started as a very small laptop review channel, and eventually grew big enough to be given the opportunity to have a large say into how Eluktronics makes their laptops.

Now I'm not trying to say "anything is possible if you put your mind to it!" as I believe that saying is total BS, but I am trying to say that with enough like-minded people, and a bit of dedication, that you and many others could have the chance to change a market that many people have been fed up with in recent years.

Sometimes, you just gotta take matters into your own hands for any kind of change to happen.

 

The difference is the barrier to entry. Not to make light of BOAT's achievements but submitting videos to Youtube has no threshold, and pending your politics even less than that lol.

AS the consumer we know what we want. @Mr. Fox is I would say near or at the the top of the heap for unapologetic performance crown all else be damned. Its not a great option for business continuity as most people settled for less a long time ago.

Since its not a net positive for income, maybe something like a crowd fund every 2-3 years for 3 SKUs? Not necessarily all made by the same company but a limited run for no nonsense performance geared laptops.

16.1 / 17.3 / 18.6

330w / 330|460w / 2x330w

115w GPU standard / 110w CPU cooling

Hybrid cooling

The issue then becomes support? Everything would be quite expensive if its a limited run, so grant a full dump on the specs?

dunno spitballin

Talking to Dell would be a waste of time though sadly, iirc a group of our members here already did that.

 

No, that is not stupid or outlandish at all. I agree with most of what you said, but the " why don't you and other like-minded individuals band together to create a laptop" idea is easier said than done. Finding the people that care, have the time to devote to it, knowledge and money to float it as long as it would take for it to become successful, is a very tall order. I wouldn't likely take part in such an endeavor at this point in my life because that ship has already sailed and now I like desktops too much to entertain the idea. I have basically lost interest in laptops because their form factor (no matter how large) requires more compromise than what I am willing to extend.

I am friends with @B0B . I think he is brilliant and very talented. If we lived close to one another, we would probably spend time together. We have a lot in common and we both have YouTube channels. But, we are different in some ways, too. Perhaps one reason he has been so successful at building his YouTube channel is because he embraces products that I do not. At the very least, he finds a way to say a few nice things about products he reviews, even if they aren't one of his favorite products. Most of those systems are products that I would vehemently condemn. I wouldn't spend much time talking about the things I like, but I would rail on the things I did not. As much as we have in common, that is an area where our personalities are dissimilar. In addition to that, it was important that his YouTube channel be successful and it would not be if he were more like me. He has done a great job of it and I have tremendous respect for his accomplishment. It was never necessary for me to make a living from my YouTube channel, but had it been I would have needed to be more like Bob or it would never happen. That would not come natural for me and I'd probably never be as good at it as he is for that reason.

Case in point... I used to do product testing and provide feedback for Dell/Alienware, but I was very critical of their decisions as they began moving from amazing products to mediocre mainstream trash. This was done privately (under NDA and never publicly) with their development team on pre-release products, but they still didn't appreciate the fact that I pulled no punches and said exactly what I thought about their bad decisions. While it was always very civil, with kindness and a respectful demeanor toward the people, I made no apologies for calling the balls and strikes. If I had it to do over again I probably would have been even more aggressive at expressing contempt for crippled and compromised products than I was before. My identification of flaws and input about what they needed to do differently had no influence on product improvement because they had a different agenda. They were nice people. And, to be fair, that relationship started when they were still an enthusiast-centric company that wanted to produce amazing products. Time changes things. I didn't and don't intend to.

Because I will not endorse, promote, identify redeeming qualities or speaking kindly about products I do not personally care for, it is very unlikely that my input will ever matter to, or be sought by, an OEM. Unless their agenda aligns with mine, I won't have anything nice to say about it. If my ability to provide for my family were dependent on it, I would likely not be nearly so inflexible and critical. I'd find a way to say a few nice things and avoid making a big deal out of things that I did not like. But, I probably wouldn't enjoy doing it. I've never been very good at lying or pretending to like something that I do not.

Imagine trying to partner a group of people with similarly strong opinions in an endeavor to release a product that would sell to people like us. We'd probably never have the funding we needed and we'd probably disagree on too many things and end up killing one another before bringing anything to market. What it would take is a person like me (or some other fine folks that I call friends in this community) with an abundance of wealth and resources that could independently produce exactly what they want without having to reach a consensus from project contributors. I'm sure it would sell like hotcakes to a small group of like-minded and passionate enthusiasts, but we are a tiny minority that ultimately doesn't matter to a world filled with sheeple that love compromise and value form over function.

Another example... Look at my early activity in the Windows 11 threads. I quickly identified a few things I liked. I still like those few things, but they are no longer worthy of mention. Once or twice was enough. The focus is where it should be (in my mind) and that involves picking it apart at the seams and doing all I can to destroy it because of its unforgivable faults, which are legion.

 

This doesn't sound stupid at all. It's something I've personally wanted to happen for a long time.

If laptop parts were standardized like desktop parts, that would be amazing! I'd love to be able to build my own laptop from off the shelf parts just like I can with a desktop!

Right now, it seems your best bet at mobile performance is to build a portable SFF PC that can fit a full length GPU. I would use a Fractal Node 202 as my base since it can fit in an 18 inch laptop bag, and then I'd battery power it . Unfortunately I can't take those batteries on a plane with me.

 

We will now get another castrated version of CPU paired with castrated and locked up firmware. I think its better to invest in ARM64 custom Silicon's from MSFT or others which can work on Win 10/11/Linux.
I love to see some kind of parity with laptop and Desktop level performance like Nvidia Pascal.
I don't know if anyone faced an issue while choosing a BGA with Intel BGAs Chips of course, I was completely confused with many variants of 11 th gen CPUs G7, G5 etc..
I'm gonna go with "wait and see approach" for Intel 12th Gen BGA. I really wanted a Ryzen Jokebook but soldered RAM put me away. I really hate the soldered RAM idea!

 

Thanks for the kind words buddy! You're a good dude for sure

My outlook on products in general is rather jaded because in my opinion, most of the people that sell us products really don't know much about them. I think the same can be said about those that build them too. With that said, I wanted to take a different approach to influence change and use my YT channel for it. I have many times with several companies attempted to help them make a better product while understanding who my contact would be per said company. For example, my contact at Gigabyte was far from the individuals who could make a dent in what I wanted to see evolve, but it was enough to get them to ship many of their gaming laptops with dual channel memory back in early-mid 2018. If I were a larger entity on the YT platform, this might have been different.

Then we have Eluktronics and my direct contact with their CEO. In this case, I was able to impact quality changes like BIOS PL tweaks and bigger batteries for example. This is a cliff notes version and the layers of this are very deep.

Our eye to eye mindset and understanding of what customers want and the real challenges of making it happen gifted me the job opportunity at Eluktronics as their Director Of Technology.

Now I can really see the layers and it's kept me quite busy, ultimately without time to make video content....that will make a return eventually.

There's so much to this, imaging, licensing, injecting, bios, ec, software, bugs, warranty work on-site and off-site, part sourcing during these times, shipping COST!! Don't get me started on this it'll make you sick to know about it.. Plus we build these to spec in-house versus pull and ship models, for the most part barebones, then our builders assemble to order.

Well, look at that @Mr. Fox, see what happens when you bring me into a conversation, I just type away lol.

 

I'm glad you did, my friend. Blessings to you and your family and congratulations on the new and exciting career path with Eluktronics. You most certainly earned it. Brother Will seems like a good dude as well.

 

Power limited ADL-S looks good which is a good sign for the mobile variant early next year. There is a Cinebench R23 12900K @35W (IA cores) test on youtube, he disabled two big cores to simulate 6+8 on ADL-P. It reached a respectable score of 14288.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1456966531460501507


Of course this might be not 100% accurate for ADL-P since ADL-P and ADL-S are two different chips and we don't know if there is a better binning or some other low power optimizations targeted for ADL-P. It's a huge improvement to TGL-H 8C anyways.

 

Let's hope OEMs doesn't limit it further.

 

What is your youtube channel?

 

Bob Of All Trades
https://www.youtube.com/c/BobOfAllTrades/videos

 

Yep, the new rumors match the thread title very well #Intel will follow Nvidia regarding castration of the amount cores for their coming Cpus in notebooks#

Intel Core i9-12900HK high-end 14-core Alder Lake mobile CPU shows up in Geebkench database videocardz.com | Nov 8, 2021

We are looking at a total of 14 cores and 20 threads so it looks like the top Core i7 and Core i9 Alder Lake-P variants are going to end up with 14 cores comprising 6 Golden Cove and 8 Gracemont Baby cores.

Isn't it amusing? More of the thiny power efficiency baby cores than the real Performance cores.

 

Well considering the power consumption I don't think there are many surprised by this.

 

Would be good to know the single core performance of efficiency vs full cores, as benchmarked. Probably not super-trivial to determine on a laptop where there is no way to directly control cores in BIOS.

 

I'm interested to see how Dell/AW will use this high energy BGA with flimsy cooling and BIOS. Will they cut core count or disable turbo on reaching thermal limits.

 

First public Intel Alder Lake-P Core i9-12900HK leak surprises with 50% dip in multi-core scores compared to Apple M1 Max notebookcheck.net

The current leak is the first public appearance of the Core i9-12900HK, thereby confirming its existence. This Geekbench test was run on a Lenovo 82S9 laptop, which is probably an upcoming Legion gaming notebook. According to the benchmark, the Core i9-12900HK scores 1,751 points in single-core and 6,438 points in multi-core.

These scores are actually worse than the original leak we had seen before. In the previous leak, the Core i9-12900HK happened to have scored 1,851 and 13,256 points in single and multi-core tests, respectively. We are not sure what could have caused the reduction in scores, especially in multi-core where we see a 51% decrease. For perspective, an Apple M1 Max scores about 1,785 and 12,753 points while an AMD Ryzen 9 5980HX manages about 1,523 and 8,469 points in single and multi-core tests, respectively.

Scores apart, the new leak provides us with some useful information. The benchmark confirms that the Core i9-12900HK sports 14 cores and 20 threads. The K moniker indicates that the processor is unlocked and can be overclocked. The boost clock is shown to be 4,969 MHz, which indicates that this CPU is rated for a 5 GHz boost.

Maybe Intel later will release an new SKU branded as i9-12990HK to further be able to increase the price point for laptops? It seems Nvidia alread are on this roads with 3080 Ti notebook cards (second SKU with castrated silicon), so... why not?

From what I have seen with 11th gen, Lenovo offer better cooling than the Dell/AW. But from the rumored bench test from above it doesn't look so promisine.

 

I don't understand, HK and HX series are unlocked BGAs and can potentially score higher than M1 and M1 can't even overclock.

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/First...-3-and-Apple-M1-Max-in-the-dust.579828.0.html

 

Didn't CPU-z remove 8GHz results for lack of evidence and possibly bugged CPU uCode due to PLL bug?

 

There was a clock speed report bug in earlier microcodes of ADL-S/ADL-P resulting in incorrect clock speeds shown in tools like CPUz and the OC 8Ghz might be a result of this bug. It had no effect in performance and I'm not sure what it has to do with the latest Notebookcheck news since CPUz isn't there. The interesting part is the Cinebench result, it's like 50% faster using all cores and 20% faster in Singlethread compared to a comparable TGL-H SKU.

 

Intel started shipping of ADL-P to customers (OEMs) today.


https://twitter.com/gregorymbryant/status/1462930390029516803

 

Well, that's a good news since skewed clocks didn't affect performance.

 

Introducing 12th Gen Intel Core Mobile Processors guru3d.com 01/04/2022 08:10 PM



Intel announced the world’s fastest mobile processor, bringing its performance hybrid architecture to mobile platforms for the first time with new 12th Gen Intel Core mobile processors that are up to 40 percent faster than the previous generation mobile processor.

8 P-cores was all too much for the BGA platform. Hence Intel went with 6P cores and put the love into more of the slower power efficient E-cores. Maybe we will see Raptor lake BGA (13th gen) with 6P and 16 E-cores in 2023? More has to better? At least for power efficiency or/and thinner and slimmer chassis design.




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ADL-H/ADL-P is a very exciting platform, can't wait to see some benchmarks from retail devices. Meanwhile here some benchmark results from Intel:








https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2022/ces2022/intel-ces-2022-press-deck.pdf