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    Intel silently launches 10NM/Cannon Lake cpus

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    Compared with 8130U... same 15W limit... same 2.2ghz base clock... similar 3.2ghz single core turbo... no/disabled iGPU... certainly stacks up with all the info so far about troubles on 10nm, maybe that's why its a silent launch... no better than the refined 14nm++
     
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    Wait what, no integrated graphics? That's very unusual for Intel. IIRC most i3/i5/i7 processors have one except the "enthusiast" chips.

    True, Intel's GPUs are trash, but at least it gives you image without resorting to a dGPU solution. Not to be rude or pessimistic, but not having iGPU on a 2c4t mobile processor just isn't gonna work well.
     
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    It's on die, simply disabled. Intel already listed a version with the GPU. I'm guessing availability or cost are such that the "2+0" configuration warrants buying what is likely a very cheap AMD GPU and selling it that way.
     
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    I got quite the different impression, to me it looks like intel is still ahead of its competition (in hpc but please keep in mind i have very bad english so it could very well be the opposite). For comparison the best non x86 hpc cpus in the world and their manufacturing process
    PEZY-SC2 2048 cores/ 16,384 threads @1ghz tsmc 16nm 180watt tdp
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/pezy/pezy-scx/pezy-sc2
    IBM z14 10 cores/ 20 threads @ 5,2 ghz GlobalFoundries 14HP Process
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/ibm/microarchitectures/z14
    What i get from this is that there is no chipmanufacturer in the world right now that can produce mass 10nm and below chips that acutally can out performe theyre 14nm chips(in quality so they reach higher frequency sorry bad english) since tsmc produces @ 10nm at mass since late 2015 and they use those chips only for mobile soc s where all benchmarks and performance claims should be taken with a huge grain of salt(even premium 1000$ smartphone today cant run gta3 s native arm port lagfree...).
    So technicly intel is the first chip manufacturer to release a 10nm chip that will be benched and compared to the competition performance wise,
    the Qualcomm Falkor shouldnt be counted since there is no spec int/spec float benchmark of the cpu up to this day.
    But youre absolutly right, 10nm quality chips in mass seem to be pretty hard to archieve.
     
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    But why did Intel bother to make a version with iGPU disabled? And no higher end parts yet?

    Usually Intel releases a wide range of processors in the same generation at once (e.g. i3-8100 to i7-8700K), not this time. Is the yield so bad they end up having a lot of chips with defective cores and/or iGPU, so they couldn't get enough chips to release processors with more cores?

    There's another problem, a 15W laptop CPU paired with a 35W dGPU but can't run in hybrid graphics mode, seems odd to me. Not only it's inefficient in terms of power, but also having worse battery life and higher temperature than not having a dGPU. Apart from that, many potential buyers of such machine probably won't need a dGPU anyway. Or maybe Intel is trying to compete with Ryzen mobile APU with this ghetto solution?
     
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    Yeah, that's why my guess was the AMD dGPU was really, really cheap (since the performance of this low end SKU is going to relegate it to low end laptops). It's probably well known Intel 10nm yields have been really low, which is likely the rationale behind launching this configuration.

    That being said, they did the same thing for 14nm ramp up. All mobile parts, no desktop parts. Started with a tiny, >5W dual core, and launched the rest of the mobile chips (about 4 months later, iirc). Technically speaking, the desktop did later get two SKUs. AFAIK, they were the only socketed desktop processors Intel have launched with the Iris Pro eDRAM GPU


    What really piques my interest is the "M/Y" variant TDP went up from 4.5W to 5.2W. I wonder if this means Intel has gone back to integrated voltage regulators (which probably make more sense on laptops). FIVRs were not good for extreme desktop overclocking, of course, but laptops don't have to worry as much about that.
     
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    Intel's first 10nm Cannon Lake processor debuts after years of delays
    But don't get too excited just yet

    Carly Page, @CarlyPage_ , 18 May 2018
    https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...n-lake-processor-debuts-after-years-of-delays

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    Intel's first 10nm Cannon Lake processor debuts after years of delays

    "Chip maker Intel's long-delayed 10nm Cannon Lake processors have finally made an official appearance, in the, er, mid-range Lenovo IdeaPad 330.

    Intel's first 10nm silicon was originally slated for release in late 2016, but technical challenges encountered in shrinking transistors to ever smaller scales led to the launch being delayed until 2017. In its latest Q1 earnings report, the firm confessed that the company was pushing back volume production from the second half of 2018 to some point in 2019 after suffering "yield issues".

    The firm's first 10nm chip, the Core i3-8121U was first spotted by AnandTech in Lenovo Ideapad 330 laptops at Chinese retailers, and Intel has since published details about the processor on its ARK catalogue.

    This listing confirms that the Core i3-8121U a Cannon Lake 10nm process chip, while the use of "i3" and "8" in the name confirms it's a low-specification, 8th-generation chip (just like Intel's Kaby Lake-R, Kaby Lake-G, and Coffee Lake processors), destined for use in mid-range notebook devices.

    The i3-821U's specs add further weight to this. It's a dual-core processor with four threads, a base clock speed of 2.2GHz, (rising to 3.2GHz under Turbo Boost), 4MB of cache, a TDP of 15W, and support for up to 32GB memory.

    The Cannon Lake chip also supports two new kinds of memory: LPDDR4 and LPDDR4X, both low-power variants of DDR4.

    Intel's listing doesn't include a description of the chip's integrated graphics, suggesting that, er, there aren't any. Lenovo's Ideapad 330 for China, the first device to come powered by the entry-level CPU, is listed to include a discrete AMD graphics chip.

    While the i3-8121U isn't the most exciting of chips, Intel will no doubt be relieved that it's finally got a 10nm product to market after years of delays.

    Still, the firm remains a long way behind its rivals. AMD has already confirmed that it plans to run its second and third generation Zen architecture x86 microprocessors on 7nm, while TSMC has already started production of its first 7nm silicon."
     
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    Intel's failure to deliver expected new Intel 10nm CPU product lines has idled laptop makers, who were expecting the next generation of Intel mobile CPU's on 10nm to be available for development of new laptops...

    Intel new CPU release delay may thin global notebook shipments
    Cage Chao, Taipei; Willis Ke, DIGITIMES, Wednesday 27 June 2018
    https://digitimes.com/news/a20180627PD207.html
    "Global notebook vendors including HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer and Asustek Computer will be unable to launch new models fitted with Intel's new-generation CPUs in the second half of 2018 as scheduled, as the release of Intel's new (10nm) offerings will not come soon enough for this year's high season, according to industry sources.

    The delay has prompted the brand vendors to adjust downward their notebook shipment goals for 2018 while also weakening the growth momentum at supply chain players, the sources said.

    Without the support of Intel's new-generation CPU, notebook vendors will have little to stimulate replacement demand, the sources said.

    All they can do, the sources stressed, is to focus more on promoting gaming and business-use notebooks while continuing to lower the costs for consumer models by suspending the incorporation of innovative applications and functions originally designed to go with Intel's new CPU.

    As a result, Taiwan's notebook ODMs said that their internal R&D departments now virtually have come to a standstill.

    IC designers have also seen clouds cast over their revenue prospects for high seasons in the second half of the year, as the suspension of value-added functional designs will defer the demand for fingerprint recognition chips, touch control pens, and Type-C interface devices, among others.

    The designers continued that notebook vendors are taking a conservative marketing approach, and new notebook models rolled out in the second half of 2018 will not bear high price tags. Accordingly, they opined, both ODMs and OEM contractors must work hard to lower the costs of related parts and components.

    Now that Intel's new-generation CPU will not be available to support shipments of new notebook models in the second half of 2018, the global notebook shipments for the year are expected to fall further from 2017, with the declining trend likely to carry into the first half of 2019, industry sources indicated."
     
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    Intel Custom Foundry’s 10nm meltdown is crushing a $20+B market cap tech giant
    Exclusive: This is the beginning of a far reaching story

    Jul 2, 2018 by Charlie Demerjian
    https://semiaccurate.com/2018/07/02...down-is-crushing-a-20b-market-cap-tech-giant/

    "After extensive research, SemiAccurate can say this company cannot survive Intel’s lack of delivery intact. The consequences of this are far reaching for both Intel and their customer.

    We would like to start this out on a personal note, two actually. First and most importantly is this story makes us sick, it is going to mean the loss of thousands of jobs and the destruction of a once proud and innovative company, all because of executive stupidity. While we are just reporting the issue, it is still pretty horrible to watch and think about, our condolences to those affected but not to those involved at a high level.

    Secondly this is by far the biggest story that SemiAccurate has yet to cover, and we have had some pretty big ones lately. It is pure business, bad management decisions, and some scary potential fallout. Technology only comes into it as far as Intel and their utter inability to produce a functional 10nm process after years of delay.

    ( Note: For more about SemiAccurate, see the paragraphs at the bottom of the article. We are putting it there to save our regular readers the recap.)

    Vague Hints:

    That said the current issue is the result of weeks of research, over a dozen talks with sources inside the involved companies, at competitors, suppliers, and in upstream and downstream industries. All pointed to the exact same problem and result, there is no ambiguity on this one among our sources. A massive $20+ billion market cap tech giant bet everything on Intel’s 10nm process to get a leg up on the industry during an upcoming generational change. Intel has not announced this company as a Custom Foundry client either, and would not provide a list of current customers when SemiAccurate requested it last week.

    As you know Intel’s 10nm process is now years delayed, is not economically or technically viable, and is unlikely to ever work financially speaking based on what SemiAccurate understands of the problems Intel is still trying to fix. The customer in question put their entire upcoming line of chips at Intel on 10nm, and Intel failed. There was no Plan B, no out, and according to multiple sources, the customer in question can not survive. This is mainly due to a major industry transition that is going on now, the company in question will not have a product to sell into it.

    This isn’t a mom and pop company with a trivial product line, it is a foundational technology giant. They have been in business for decades and much of a sector depends on them. And as far as we can see they are dead. Without a product line for a major industry transition, they can not survive and will be acquired or simply die. There is no way out at this point.

    Note: The following is analysis for professional level subscribers only.

    Disclosures: Charlie Demerjian and Stone Arch Networking Services, Inc. have no consulting relationships, investment relationships, or hold any investment positions with any of the companies mentioned in this report.

    For those that don’t follow SemiAccurate regularly, let us give you a bit of background both on Intel’s 10nm woes and our history. When we exclusively reported that Intel had 10nm Cannon Lake silicon back, we also reported, “ This is no ordinary early silicon issue, it is a serious and unexpected problem.“, followed shortly by reports of extremely low yields.

    Since then we have explained why Intel’s 10nm is broken, partially anyway, revealed another 14nm device after Whiskey Lake, pointed out Intel’s curious bending of phrases on the 10nm timetable, and gave you the timetable that Intel internally feels confident for 10nm. Please note this last bit should have a, “for now” because of the added 14nm parts effectively line up with the purported 10nm ‘launch’ and Intel is refusing to give Tier 1 OEMs guidance on which is real. Feel free to read into this as you will.

    On the business side, SemiAccurate has also also had a long line of exclusive stories. Some of the recent ones include having correctly called the issues at Qualcomm’s server division, announced that a customer dumped Intel Custom Foundry ( Note:Intel has not acknowledged this publicly yet), exposed a potential $1B/year contra-revenue flow at Intel, and revealed Broadcom’s dumping of their ARM server division and it’s buyer.

    This is a sampling of the semiconductor industry stories SemiAccurate has researched and exposed weeks or months before any other outlet picked them up. We aren’t trying to pat ourselves on the back, just pointing our our track record because of the seriousness of the current story. Apologies to our regular readers for the rehash. S|A"

    Intel Custom Foundry’s 10nm meltdown is crushing a $20+B market cap tech giant
    https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/..._custom_foundrys_10nm_meltdown_is_crushing_a/

    Welcome to Intel Custom Foundry
    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/overview.html

    These are the most recent Intel 10nm news items from that page...from 2 years ago, July 2016...June 2016...March 2016...

    In the News
     
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    Apple Inc. Dodged a Serious Bullet
    Avoiding this unreliable chip manufacturer was a good bet on Apple's part.
    Ashraf Eassa, ( TMFChipFool), Sep 6, 2017 at 12:45PM
    https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/09/06/apple-inc-dodged-a-serious-bullet.aspx

    "...
    Betting on Intel 10nm would've meant disaster
    Had Apple bet on Intel's 10nm technology for the upcoming A11 Fusion chip -- which Intel continues to publicly claim is about a generation ahead of competing 10nm technologies -- it would be in a world of hurt right now. TSMC has been cranking out chips for Apple -- as well as others, like MediaTek and Huawei -- using its 10nm technology for months now. TSMC will need to deliver tens of millions of units to help Apple meet what could be insatiable demand for the latter's upcoming new iPhone models.

    Intel, on the other hand, has seen its schedule for 10nm production continue to slip. In late 2013, Intel told investors that its 10nm technology would be production ready by the end of 2015. After many delays, Intel is now hoping to get this technology into volume production sometime in the second half of 2017, and doesn't expect volume shipments of its lead product -- known as Cannon Lake -- to occur until the first half of 2018...".

    The one thing Intel is supposed to be good at, Intel's Core Competency - which spent $100B's over the years to maintain successful continuity, and what a surprise, Intel still hasn't delivered Cannon Lake 10nm in the "first half of 2018".

    And, Intel has failed at everything else it has tried outside of it's Core Competency - and if Intel don't have that moving forward, what does Intel have of value?
     
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    Intel 10nm Production Update: Systems on Shelves For Holiday 2019
    by Anton Shilov on July 26, 2018 8:50 PM EST
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13126/intel-10nm-production-systems-for-holiday-2019

    "Earlier this year Intel confirmed that it would delay mass production of 10nm CPUs to 2019 due to issues with yields, but did not elaborate on when in 2019 that would be. Late on Thursday Intel finally made a long-awaited clarification: the first systems powered by 10nm CPUs will hit store shelves in the second half of 2019. But there is a catch: 14nm products will still continue to play a big role next year.

    Intel is set to start mass production of processors using its 10nm process technology in 2019, and while the company isn't explicitly saying when mass production will begin, it's sounding like that will be in the Q2/Q3 time frame. This being based off of what Intel is saying, which is that they expect to have PCs based on these chips to arrive during the 2019 holiday shopping season. Given the kind of lead-time required to get complete OEM systems on to store shelves, this would mean that mass production on chips needs to start 3 to 6 months sooner than that.

    As for said finished systems, what's typically considered the holiday shopping season starts in October or early November. So systems based on Intel’s 10nm CPUs would finally be available in mass quantities starting in Q4 of 2019. Consequently, for more three quarters of next year Intel will continue to rely almost entirely on its products made using its various 14nm process technologies.

    It remains to be seen how much time it will take Intel to ramp up production of its 10nm CPUs and when the volume crossover between 14nm and 10nm chips occurs. At present, Intel seems to be optimistic about what it has today and will have tomorrow — a variety of 14nm products. In fact, there is a lot of room for growth here: shipments of Intel’s Xeon Scalable processors accounted for a little less than 50% of Intel’s datacenter revenue in the most recent quarter, so the company will certainly continue to ramp up shipments of these products for many quarters to come, increasing its ASPs and revenue. Keep in mind that Intel’s upcoming Cascade Lake-SP platform will bring support for 3D XPoint-based Optane DC Persistent Memory DIMMs, which will bring in huge earnings opportunities to the company.

    Speaking of datacenter products. Murthy Renduchintala, Intel’s chief engineering officer, promised that 10nm “datacenter products” will follow “shortly after” availability of client systems running 10nm CPUs in the late 2019. He did not give any exact timeframes, but stressed that its next-gen Xeon will follow its next-gen client parts quicker usually. Essentially, Intel confirmed this week’s report claiming that the codenamed Ice Lake-SP CPUs may hit the market in Q3 or Q4 of 2020."

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    Swan dive: Intel shares dip under interim CEO Bob as 10nm processor woes worry Wall Street
    Chips not ready until 2H 2019, Epyc headache looms
    By Iain Thomson in San Francisco 27 Jul 2018 at 02:03
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/27/intel_q2_2018_10nm/
    "Despite record-breaking earnings, Intel's shares took a modest dip on Thursday when the semiconductor behemoth reveal its financial results for the second quarter of this year.

    Revenues for the three months to June 30 rose strongly, year on year, and profits were up 78 per cent.
    However, it's clear that the markets are concerned about the continuing problems Chipzilla is having getting its 10nm production processes up and running.

    Intel has now confirmed that the first 10nm chips for PCs won’t be out in volume until the second half of next year and server products will take even longer. It previously hoped to get the parts out, in volume, sometime within 2019.
    Nevertheless the interim CEO, and CFO, Bob Swan was ebullient about the company's performance. He predicted that the end of year results would break new records in Intel's money-making history.

    "Our results in the second quarter were outstanding; a record quarter that we think will lead to a record 2018," he told analysts. "After five decades in technology Intel is poised to deliver its second year in the row of outstanding performance."

    Here's a full breakdown of those results [PDF] that made him so happy, in GAAP figures:
    • Revenues: Intel pulled in $17bn in the second quarter, yet another new record for the company. That's up 15 per cent on this time last year and Swan said the figures would only keep on increasing in the short term.
    • Net income: Profits for the quarter rose 78 per cent to $5bn, or over $2.3m an hour. Operating income was up 37 per cent at $5.3bn.
    • Earnings per share: Bigger profits mean more earnings per share and Intel is giving shareholders $1.05 for their stock, an increase of 82 per cent.
    • Taxes and dividends: One of the reasons for Intel's massively increased profitability is the reduction in its tax bill. This time last year Intel paid a tax rate of 38.6 per cent, compared to 9.5 per cent in the last quarter. As a result Intel paid out dividends of $2.8bn and spent $5.8bn buying up its 117 million of its own shares.
    • Client Computing Group: PC sales actually picked up a tiny bit, as companies rip and replace older kit, Intel reported. But the PC side of Chipzilla's business rose just 6 per cent compared to the second quarter of 2017, with revenues of $8.7bn.
    • Data Center Group: While CCG revenues have traditionally been Intel's stalwart, it was DCG which showed overall growth of 26 per cent, pulling in almost $7.5bn in revenues. It's this division that Intel sees as its future for long-term growth. Intel's memory (NSG) and Internet of Things Group saw growth rates of 23 and 22 per cent respectively, pulling in nearly $2bn in revenues.
    But once the prepared statements were done, it was clear where the interests of the analysts lay. The first two analysts to question the Intel team both had the same basic point – what is going on with 10nm and when can we see it.

    Intel's chief engineering officer Dr Venkata Renduchintala confirmed that volume production of 10nm wafers won’t happen until the second half of next year, hopefully before the main holiday season buying spree kicks in.

    Server-side 10nm hardware is going to take longer, he confirmed, but not that much longer...

    " Speaking of datacenter products. Murthy Renduchintala, Intel’s chief engineering officer, promised that 10nm “datacenter products” will follow “shortly after” availability of client systems running 10nm CPUs in the late 2019. He did not give any exact timeframes, but stressed that its next-gen Xeon will follow its next-gen client parts quicker usually. Essentially, Intel confirmed this week’s report claiming that the codenamed Ice Lake-SP CPUs may hit the market in Q3 or Q4 of 2020.""
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13126/intel-10nm-production-systems-for-holiday-2019

    "We feel very good about the product competitiveness of 14nm and that is factoring into our timing on 10nm, and we'll be launching it when yields are prime for volume production," he explained.

    "In general we're going to see a much shorter ramp period [for server silicon], as we talk about client systems on the shelf by the second half of 2019 and we don’t expect a long delay for server goods, and hope to reach parity of launch times in later technology."

    Intel's research into reaching 7nm chip architecture is progressing well he said, but is still very much in the research and development stage.

    AMD, on the other hand, plans to ship 7nm silicon in volume later this year.

    In the meantime Intel is confident its older 14nm silicon will keep sales buoyant, Renduchintala said. Better design has increased 14nm chip performance by 70 per cent, he claimed. But, with AMD's lower-cost Epyc server silicon starting to cut into Intel's server business, Chipzilla better get its skates on.

    Intel's shares are down nearly six per cent at time of writing to $49.21 apiece."
     
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    Intel's 10nm Chips to Arrive During 2019 Holiday Season
    The next-generation chips promise a 25 percent performance increase over the existing 14nm processors. However, Intel has repeatedly delayed the arrival of the new silicon.
    Michael Kan, July 26, 2018 9:45PM EST

    "...Intel doesn't want to rush the technology's development and will wait until it can confidently manufacture the next-generation processors in volume.

    In the meantime, consumers will have to make do with Intel's 14 nm chips, which it's been shipping with ongoing improvements since 2014..."
     
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    Ice Lake for Mainstream Delayed to 2020
    by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/25/2018 08:23 AM
    https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ice-lake-for-mainstream-delayed-to-2020.html

    "So many Intel slides leak in Asia, and a new one has surfaced indicating that Ice Lake for mainstream processors has been delayed towards 2020. That by itself isn't news as everybody expected that, but the fact it is now listed on a roadmap, kind of solidifies that thesis.

    Basically, the screenshot below is based on two slides that leaked, the first was made March 2018, the later one is from may 2018, and you can see the things being changed in the later one. Ice Lake has been replaced by Coffee Lake-R, both for the mainstream platform and for the business workstation chips - Xeon D and -E. Interestingly Cannon Lake is missing though.
    10nm.jpg
    You can see Coffee Lake-R, that R is short for refresh, so yes you can expect another iteration of Coffee Lake on 14nm before things move towards 10nm. In 2020 Ice Lake now has been positioned. By that time, AMD should be knee deep in 7nm CPUs already though."
     
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    Yeah, they are pulling all the tricks they can to stave the assault on their stock prices. They are making limited releases sound like full fledge process conversions, when we know it is not.

    Intel is also saying the 14nm will not have to worry about a shortage, this might be true as once AMD 7nm is here demand for Intel 14nm chips will fall drastically.
     
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    Intel Having Trouble With Its 10nm Nodes – EUV Technology Could Take Several Years to Develop
    Intel 7nm Could Be Pushed Back As Far As 2021
    By Sikanar Mahmood 3 days ago
    https://appuals.com/intel-having-tr...chnology-could-take-several-years-to-develop/

    "Intel is among the first companies to start developing EUV technology back in the 1990s. But the company hasn’t been able to deliver extreme ultraviolet lithography, taking minor strides in the field.

    According to Mark Li, an electronics engineer, an analyst with Bernstein, Intel, the once largest manufacturer of computer chips is having issues with its 10nm chips yet again.

    The company will not be able to implement EUV anytime soon. The tech is planned for its 7nm chips which are still way off considering they are having issues with 10nm.

    Meanwhile, rival Samsung and TSMC are pushing their tech and making progress to deliver EUV in the next two years. Analysts believe Intel has lost its touch and is no longer the manufacturing leader it once was.

    Mark Li believes Samsung will introduce 7nm after TSMC but it will feature EUV.

    What Happened With Intel’s 10nm?
    Intel’s problem began with general delays faced by its 10nm line. It takes several years to get foundry for a new process node running and bring additional tools online. Plans are made years in advance by tech companies for specific characteristics of each node.

    One can retrofit a node with new technology but the process is both expensive and time-consuming. Intel has been struggling with 10nm since 2015. The original plan to launch 10nm in 2016 didn’t pan out.

    7nm was scheduled to arrive by 2018-2019 with EUV implemented. If Intel was able to stick to its timeline we would have seen 7nm EUV from Intel by now or somewhere around the launch of Samsung and TSMC’s nodes. TSMC’s first 7nm won’t be using EUV but its later, 7FF+ is going to.

    The difference between 7FF and 7FF+ is reportedly minor. The company (TSMC) hasn’t shared any details other than saying the performance is “higher” than 7FF.

    As it now stands, Intel’s 7nm is reportedly delayed till 2021 and that too if the company can manage its productions delays."
     
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