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    Intel Core i7-8700K Coffee Lake Z370 and Z390

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by hmscott, Sep 25, 2017.

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    8th Gen Intel CPU - Coffee Lake - Oct 5th Launch

    MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Unboxing For Intel Coffee Lake

    MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon AC Closer Look For Intel 8th Gen Coffee Lake
     
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    You missed the best part of quote, the "same clock" results.. 8700k is near 0,5% more slow in ST than a 7700k at same clocks (4,5Ghz) look at Wprime, SuperPi and CB15 scores

    upload_2017-9-26_7-50-30.png

    If these are confirmed results, its better to wait a minimum of 2 next gen ahead from now
     
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    I noticed that, 0.5% to minus % single core results from 7700k to 8700k. Although I've now seen other "leaked" results that show a small 7% improvement in some tests, while there are some tests that show the 7700 better per core results. Overall 42% improvement from 50% more cores.

    It's going to be a little while yet before we know for sure...
     
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    Single threaded benchmarks like Wprime and Cinebench are within margins. Below from Eurogamer.com-Core i7 7700K review Other reviewers can get different results. Higher or lower.
    upload_2017-9-26_9-50-5.png

    My own tests show you will get small deviation/differences. Compare Single threaded results in Wprime 32M vs. what you show in your pict. No big difference.
    upload_2017-9-26_9-52-16.png
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    Edit. Intel Arbitrarily Breaks Coffee Lake Compatibility With Z270 Forcing Users To Buy New Z370 Motherboards-Wccftech.com

    Intel Representative via VCZ

    "Getting the max out of 6 core processor required changes to our motherboards, specifically to provide improved power delivery to new 6-core processors.

    We also took the opportunity to improve our overclocking capabilities by improving the package power delivery to the CPU. This is an another change that required motherboard changes.

    We increased memory bandwidth on processor up to 2666 MHz that required another improvement on the motherboard layout."


    "Truth be told the only apparent reason Intel is breaking compatibility with existing motherboards is that they’re simply after your money. Intel is a company trying to make a buck after all. If you’re upgrading to Coffee Lake from Broadwell or an older processor this doesn’t really affect you."
     
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    Intel Coffee Lake i7 8700K Review Leaks Out (Wccftech.com)
    Since a ‘review’ of i7-8700K was already posted by Expreview, I do not think this leak will have a big value to you. What we have are official benchmark results directly from Intel’s reviewers guide thanks to our Chinese friends. Use this as a reference for upcoming reviews or compare values to your own CPU.(Zero increase in CB-R15 single core with 47x means same IPC as 7700K)
    upload_2017-9-27_2-58-51.png
     
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    Unboxing MSI Z370 Godlike, Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming
     
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    MSI Z370 GODLIKE GAMING-One Board to Rule Them All | Gaming Motherboard | MSI
     
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    @tilleroftheearth From Guru3d.com
    New Intel Slides Reveal Product Roadmap up-to 2018 [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/29/2017 08:18 AM | Source | 0 comment(s)
    [​IMG]
    Next week you will see a bunch of reviews on the Coffee lake generation of processors, alongside it the motherboards. in a newly leaked product launch schedule you can see what is coming now and up-to the next half year.

    It starts with the 4 and 6-core Coffee lake gen of course with the Z370 chipset. The slides, who have been leaked by website gamersnexus, then reveal H370 Express, B360 Express, and the H310 Express. H370 might be interesting for us consumer pricing wise, it lakcs extreme tweaking options and SLI certification, but would be priced much better. Intel would launch corporate-ready Q370 and Q360 chipsets with enterprise-client features such as vPro, sometime in Q2-2018. Interesting is a mention of two-core procs as well.

    Indicated is that in early-November 2017 Intel they could push Pentium and Celeron low-power SoCs based on the "Gemini Lake" platform, consisting of quad-core and dual-core processors, these would have a sub 10W TDP, listed units are Pentium J500S, Celeron J410S, and Celeron J400S.

    Surfacing in the slides is also 240 GB and 480 GB sized Optane units. We're really not sure if that is a cache unit or a regular SSD based on Xpoint (we doubt it)
    after the failed introduction of Optane.
     
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    Intel’s Upcoming Coffee Lake Z370 Motherboards Aren’t Backwards Compatible
    https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-z370-motherboards-arent-backwards-compatible

    "Intel’s Coffee Lake refresh represents the largest performance refresh we’ve seen from the company since the Sandy Bridge era. While the benefits will primarily impact users who run multi-threaded workloads, many programs these days support four or more threads. Even when applications aren’t multi-threaded, having more cores can keep a system running smoothly when multiple single-threaded applications are running. All in all, it’s a big step forward for Intel customers, but anyone hoping to upgrade a Kaby Lake or Skylake system is out of luck.

    As Tom’s Hardware details, Z370 boards and Coffee Lake CPUs are both incompatible with previous Intel hardware. You can’t stick a Kaby Lake or Skylake CPU in a Z370 motherboard, and you can’t use a Coffee Lake processor in a Z170 or Z270 motherboard. Intel claims this is due to power requirements on the newer boards, thanks to the additional CPU cores that are now baked in to every chip."

    " PenguinJoe17 hours ago
    And this is why I will be going AMD with my next build. I am sick and tired of Intel's lack of technical planning by making every 2nd iteration of Intel's architectures needing a new socket and flushing compatibility down the toilet. Perhaps they think it will net them more money by forcing motherboard replacements every 2nd iteration, but now they have a real, viable competitor that is actually looking ahead at what their customers want.
    Buh-bye Intel!"
     
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    It is 'faster'... By 1.6%, at a price nearly $100 more.

    Intel Coffee Lake is still not worth it. Hardly any increase in IPC, reductions in core clocks, increases in TDP, locked to the newest chipset...

    To get Coffee Lake you need a new motherboard + new CPU. Total cost > $400. To upgrade to 12 nm Ryzen from a 1600X today you only need to buy the CPU.
     
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    I wouldn't touch mainstream for desktops (neither Ryzen or Intel). But you haven't other choices if you go for laptops next year. Everything else is crippled.
     
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    According to Eurocom's post, the 8700HQ/8720HK will be 6C/12T, so that's something to look forward to.

    Hopefully Volta is released by H1 2018. I7-8720HK at 4.5 GHz + GTX 2070 is looking really attractive.
     
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    It's BGA and 45w chips :no: Expect 6 cores will suck a Hell lot of powa if you overclock. LGA or BGA doesn't matter. And as you know... Jokebooks being thinner and thinner. The opposite of how it should be.
     
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    The PA50HS looks like a good offshoot of the P650HS...
     
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    MSI Z370 Godlike Coffee Lake Motherboard Preview

    Asus ROG Maximus Z370 Apex & Formula Coffee Lake Preview

    Quick Look: Three Intel Z370 Motherboards!

    The ASUS ROG Z370 Gaming Motherboards Presentation

    The ASUS TUF Gaming Z370 Motherboards Presentation

    The ASUS PRIME Z370-A Motherboard Presentation

    The ASUS ROG Maximus & ROG Strix Z370 Motherboards

    The ASUS TUF Gaming & PRIME Z370 Motherboards
     
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    Coolice Overclocks Intel Core i7 8700K To 6.6 GHz!
     
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    This means +1410cb in Cinebench R15 with stock clocked [email protected]. Aka confirmed performance for the chips :)
    upload_2017-9-29_21-21-42.png
     
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    Can someone give me a straight answer. If all I care about is gaming should I wait or no?
     
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    If you can wait, you probably want to wait, October is around the corner and that'll give you more info to make a better decision. The biggest question will be if there will be an upgrade path going forward and that's only going to be figured out post-October 5th.
     
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    Asus Z370 i Strix ITX Coffee lake Motherboard Preview
     
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    What are you thinking of getting if you don't wait? What were you planning on getting?

    If you were planning on an Intel Z270 and a 7700K then that's a great combination, but with no forward upgrade path.

    If you wait an get the Intel Z370 and a 8700K then that's also a potentially great combination, but also with no forward upgrade path.

    Intel doesn't seem to have a solid plan for forward motion for CPU upgrades through the announced / leaked futures.

    I doubt Intel is going to answer questions on Oct 5th as to what the Z390 supports, and what the Z370 will support when the Z390 arrives. It's too far out in the future, 2H18 is 1 year away essentially.

    So if you buy Z270/7700k after Oct 5th you might be able to save a big chunk of change on the motherboard and CPU as they are essentially EOL, at least when stocks run out - there seems little reason to keep that platform going after Z370/8700K is available.

    And, the same thing will be true of the Z370/8700k in 2H18 when the Z390 and Coffee Lake #2 8c/16t releases.

    If you buy Ryzen 7 8 core or Ryzen 5 6 core now the AM4 chipset and socket is to be supported with new processors for 4 years forward, and the same for the ThreadRipper TR4.

    That's been the case with AMD for many years of support for sockets and chipsets with backward and forward compatibility.

    Intel will like also drop the x299 series flat as well, making it a bad investment long term as well.

    Although Intel's habit of abandoning chipsets and sockets frequently has worked fine for me, I use my desktop builds for many years, and the same goes for the AMD builds.

    I don't feel the need to jump on new sockets and chipsets every year they are offered, and I think that holds true for most people as well.

    So, if you want to wait for price drops on the Z270/7700K and hold on to it for 5 years+, that will certainly be as good an idea as paying full release retail for the Z370/8700K.

    IDK how much the 6c/12t 8700K will add to the gaming experience over the 7700K, the jury is still out, and it may well be that there will be good reasons to get a Z270/7700K over the Z370/8700k and then there will be no price drop for the Z270/7700K.

    Lots of unknowns, lots of possibilities :)
     
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    I like the Asus motherboards but I don't like "Republic of Gamers" plastered everywhere with LEDs lighting them. I will probably end up going with a MSI or Aorus depending on pricing.

    I know going from a 7700k to an 8700k isn't worth it, but what are people thoughts about something like a 5820k to 8700k? I wanted to replaced my case for my desktop which is how this whole thing started off, until a friend asked me about buying my current desktop. Now I have it in my head that I really want to build a new high end desktop and build the best I can currently that I can afford, was leaning towards 1080TI and 8700k. No matter what I do from my current build I would have to buy a new mobo and CPU. My other option would be to just replace the case as I was originally planning and maybe upgrade my GPU if I can find someone to buy mine from me. I am going with a Corsair 570x and with my current internal components, they don't exactly look the greatest together or match colors/LEDs which is also part of why I wanted to plan something better out and get parts that match and look good together and will look good in a completely open case as my current one has no window on it.

    Also are there any good forums or subreddits out there similar to NBR that focus on desktops? This is my go to place to go for laptop related things, and general computer stuff as well as there is also desktop talk here but I'm curious if there is anywhere like this that focuses a little more on desktops?
     
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    Z370 Taichi, Z370 Aorus Gaming 7, Dark Base Pro 900 White & More!
     
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    i7-8700K - 10 New 6-Core Records with up to 7300 MHz (en)
     
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    See:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-coffee-lake-i7-8700k-cpu,5252-13.html

     
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    Intel Core i7-8700K Review, The New Gaming King!

    Wow, the Ryzen CPU's + Vega 64LC way outperforms the 8700k/7700k!!
    Ryzen CPUs + RX Vega 64LC outperforms the  8700 and 7700 with Vega 64LC.jpg
    Intel i7-8700K Review vs. Ryzen: Streaming, Gaming, Delidding

    AMD ThreadRipper makes the Intel 8700K and AMD 1700 look like toys...with the AMD 1700 matching the Intel 8700K for $100 cheaper!
    ThreadRipper Rips on 8700k.jpg
    Intel i7 8700k | i5 Speculations & Winning The Silicon Lottery

    ASUS Maximus X Hero Z370 Motherboard Review! [COFFEE LAKE IS HERE!]
     
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    ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 Motherboard | Everything You Need To Know

    Asus Z370 Motherboard Family Overview

    Intel 8th Gen Desktop CPU Launch - Coffee Lake - i7-8700K

    intel i7 8700k and i5 8400 Review - MORE CORES! are Intel back on top?
     
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    i would agree most of your points, only if i believe those guys are extremely competent, and they must talk about very detailed things that im very interested in and in areas i do not know about. for my case of use i think ive nailed down a lot there are things i wanna know but can't find them anywhere where people talk about them.

    to sum it up, right now cpu improve so slowly no software take advantage of the new extension. i rather want these hardware reviewer to include some software side of things, which is likely outside of their expertise.

    did you know this, firefox avx2 version is much quicker and snappier than even the latest nightly firefox version? as tested in software, avx software with haswell cpu can yield a 70-90% performance increase vs non avx of the same software while running at lower clock to reduce heat, for as long as your memory bandwidth is enough. this isn't something intel/amd can give us not even in 5-10yrs at this speed.
     
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    Intel Coffee Lake Core i7-8700K & i5-8400 - More Clock, More Cores

    Should You Buy the Intel Coffee Lake i7 8700K ? | An Analysis of Reviews & Performance

    COFFEE LAKE IS HERE - RIP KABY LAKE & RYZEN - Intel i5-8600K Review

    6-CORE i5 8600K Benchmarks! Gaming, Encoding, 5.3GHz
     
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    Coffee Lake: 2 Years Since Skylake with Little to Show For It!


    RushDark 19 hours ago
    Intel fanboy logic replace a mobo and cpu just because the new line up has 5 fps advantage~~
     
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    sorry i updated more stuff haha, previous post i mean

    edit: because i want to do other things like play games competitively and game mods etc. i have a lot of hobby but dont have enough time for all of them. if i were smarter and quicker i can have more hobby and not sacrifice some of them.

    besides, making video you need a type of charisma, i dont got those :) i can't even get you to listen to me LOL others wont listen to me for sure.
     
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    Tech Talk - (Forza 7 Benchmarks &) Coffee Lake Paper Launch
    Coffee Lake starts @ 08:50

     
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    Intel’s RYZEN-KILLER - Core i7 8700K
     
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    Comparativo: Core i7-8700k vs i7-7700k vs Ryzen 7 1700x em games!

    8700k vs 7700k vs 1700x.jpg
    It's not in english, but the test runs with live results are great, comparing the 8700k, 7700k, and Ryzen 1700x - spoiler - the 1700x or 1700 will keep up just fine against the 8700k for $100+ less :)
     
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    Intel i7-8700K Review vs. Ryzen: Streaming, Gaming, Delidding

    AMD ThreadRipper makes the Intel 8700K and AMD 1700 look like toys...with the AMD 1700 matching the Intel 8700K for $100 cheaper!
    ThreadRipper Rips on 8700k.jpg
    Intel Core i7-8700K Review, The New Gaming King!

    Wow, the Ryzen CPU's + Vega 64LC outperforms the 8700k/7700k!!
    Ryzen CPUs + RX Vega 64LC outperforms the  8700 and 7700 with Vega 64LC.jpg
    Intel Coffee lake 8700K Review Overclocking Benchmarks and Undervolting

    https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_coffee_lake_i7_8700k_review/1
    sample graph from review.jpg
     
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    lol no man.. those guys dont even hold a candle against the guys from tom/anand/pcper. cpu from tom/anand, now its pretty much tomshardware. storage from pcper especially the guy name allyn, also storage from tweaktown.
     
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    i7 8700k / i5 8600k Hands On Live Stream w/Level1 and MSI

    Intel i7 8700K Review: A New Gaming King
     
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    The benchmarks in gaming are uneccesarry, I mean if you have a 8700K / Highend Ryzen system you will play on at least 2k+ resolution, the interesting ones are the rendering benchmarks etc. It gave a nice boost in performance.

    I just don't see, how clevo intends to tame the 8700K in their notebooks. I mean even Jay had to mount a liquid cooling solution (for the 5ghz OC) onto it and it was out in the open. Personally I'd still stick with Ryzen, its more futureproof since it got more cores. At some point rendering etc. will be optimized on ryzen and gain a lot more performance.

    Still I'm excited to see that intel finally get their behind moving, it took them a long time to finally upgrade their CPU to something that is considerably better.

    No to mention the 8400 is a price to performance beast, I love that CPU, it's my number 1 recommended budget gaming CPU.
     
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    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

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  47. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    What's wrong with the 8700K example Guru3d.com got? Used a fake review? :D
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    thinkcomputers.com - Intel Core i7-8700K Processor Review
    "To measure power consumption I read the CPU Package reading in AIDA64"(7700K vs. 8700K)
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    Compare the CBR15 score with the one from Guru3.com
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    by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 10/06/2017 09:04 AM | Source | 7 comment(s)
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    Intel yesterday released their Coffee Lake generation processors. The Z370 motherboards are available alright, the processors however now. We did some rounds here in the Netherlands and availability is dramatic. Intel supplied a dozen or two of the high-end specced processors to distributors, and that's it.

    Meanwhile checking some price engines, the stock availability in Europe has run dry. In the USA the 8700k is also out of stock, I did notice the 8600k on Newegg though.

    As to why the availability is this low, nobody really knows and certainly not something we have seen or is expected often from Intel. Production is the same 14nm fab node one as Kaby Lake uses. Intel certainly will not shed any light on this. We have however heard rumors that there is lots of Kaby lake stock (processors and chipsets) left, perhaps they will be waiting to clear that stock fist before making Coffee Lake available in good volume, that however remains speculation of course.

    It once again feels like rushed launch, a paper launch mostle with incredibly low stock available.

     
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  48. Talon

    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

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    I can tell you this, my 8700K is making my 5820K look like an outdated POS in games right now. I am getting much smoother gameplay, higher FPS upwards of 30 fps in demanding CPU titles. PUBG is seeing a phenomenal gain.

    I use my machine primarily for gaming, and while I loved my 5820K, I also love 144fps silky smooth gameplay. Anyone want to buy a golden chip 5820k?
     
  49. Danishblunt

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    How are your temps with the 8700K compared to the 5820K?

    mind sharing some benchmarks with us? :eek:)
     
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    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

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    https://imgur.com/a/pJziu



    Please note this is note entirely comprehensive testing. The voltage was blindly selected at 1.30v. I have since dropped it down to 1.28v and still need to keep shaving to find instability. 5.0Ghz is possible but for my chip at least at the current moment takes me around 1.39-1.40v which just is not acceptable for me. The temps at 5.0ghz are fine but still, that voltage isn't somethign I'm used to.

    I am currently uploading with Hyperthreading turned off to simulate the i5 8600K. It's going to be a total beast chip. It performs amazingly well.
     
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