C2 Q9650 processor and 1333Mhz FSB in a laptop question

Micro Express Computers very recently updated their design of laptop NP9261 http://www.microexpress.net/prodcustom.asp?linenumber=167

which I believe is based on Clevo's D900C/D901C
http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/item.asp?procatalogID=4

This is very close to/identical to Sager's NP9262
http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=29175&action=customize

They both have a desktop-type motherboard using intel chipset P965 +ICH8R (an example of which is http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?Boardname=dp965lt ). From what I've been able to figure out on intel's website, motherboards with this chipset support 1066MHZ FSB and below, but both of these suppliers allow 1066Mhz and 1333Mhz FSB CPU's in the laptop's. While motherboards that support 1333Mhz can support all those available CPU's seem to be in a slightly higher class (example of 1333Mhz is http://processormatch.intel.com/CompDB/SearchResult.aspx?Boardname=dx38bt ).

Now to the question, How can the E6750/E6850/or Q9650 (1333Mhz FSB) CPU's run on the 1066Mhz FSB board that the Q6600/Q6700/X6800 use? Or am I missing a concept here/misinterpreting?

What I'm really wanting to do here is, get a high end laptop with the cheaper CPU's like E6750/Q6600 and be able to upgrade it with a Q9550/Q9650 or better that use the same socket, maybe a year when the prices are much lower. Think this is feasible?

And yes I know it would just be much easier to get a desktop, but I spend a good deal ~50% of my time away from home, and play recent games/video encoding in spare time traveling, so I like to stay on the higher end of CPU speed.

 

There are desktop P965 boards out there that support 1333MHz FSB processors, though they're pretty few and far between. I'm guessing how it works is kinda like how the X38 doesn't officially support a 1600MHz FSB but is almost always able to clock up to 1600MHz (and therefore some X38 chips becoming X48 chips which officially support a 1600MHz FSB).

I'm guessing these boutique vendors are just using P965 chips validated to run at 1333MHz, though that's just speculation. Maybe you should contact them and ask

 

I think just like the CPU sets the FSB (mobile) in the 965, when you change CPU, FSB will change. So to your question, if it fits and BIOS allows CPU will set FSB. Simple. Put the hammer away, no need.

 

So the motherboard is kind of overclocked?


Some guy here claims that the new bios of the D901C will make it possible put yorkfield procs in it. I was aslo waiting for this for some time. Someone on the forum advised me not to put the QX9650 because the TDP is to high and the motherboard would not support so much heat. So I guess not too much overclocking of the Yorkfield possible.

 

If you consider the X48 an overclocked X38, then sure, it's overclocked.

As for the Yorkfields, a rumor is a rumor. Though I'm kinda skeptical that its solely BIOS dependent; I mean, if I were a 1066MHz FSB P965 chip and some CPU told me to run at 1333MHz, I guess I could do it, but 1600MHz? That's like asking a P35 to do 2000MHz on a normal basis... I'm sure there's a trick somewhere. If you ask me, with these desktop chips on laptop boards you're just playing with fire anyways (literally).

 

This people are excelly selling the clevo notebook with the qx9650:

http://www.microexpress.net/prodcustom.asp?linenumber=167 .

970 $ is for me to much , so I will wait for the q9450 (about 300$).

PasoLeatis

 

Someone please explain how this really makes that much of a difference when hard drives are still the bottle neck. I understand how the processor, video and ram "cache" off of each other during intensive graphics and will speed this up, but at some point the HDD will come into play and bottleneck the entire "super fast" bus speeds.

I'm more curious than anything. Someone please explain.

 

It's true that the HDD is the slowest component when it comes to bootup etc, however, when used for gaming, encoding or rendering the HDD is less likely to be used compared to the CPU and GPU.

The most intensive graphical applications are likely to be games. For games, the HDD is not part of the equation as all the textures and information are loaded into memory as well as the game engine before it is completely rendered by the GPU and CPU on to the user's screen.

 

I intend to use mainly for running programs made by me in fortran , matlab and maple. For this I can minimiize the accesss to hdd, all that will matter will be the cpu and the cache. In rest having a quad is always nice since windows will allways take almost cmpltely one core.

 

I guess I can kind of see this, 1333 isn't too much over 1066Mhz. I'm sure they are getting the 1333Mhz out of the board, whether it is overclocked or actually supports that speed unofficially. I did actually send an email, but the response was very generic and didn't answer my question, but I'm going to keep trying to hopefully get a better answer.

 

One more thing. The q9650 in their offer is in fact the qx9650 which is the extreme version, which is always around 1000 $ because it has the multiplier unlock, I do nt think it will get cheaper in a few months and I think that overclocking it is not worth it on a laptop. The versions with locked multipliers will come out soo (I hope!) and cost the same as the q6xxx versions.