Some user at coolaler.com has managed to get hold of the llano a8-3800 processor and has benchmarked it.
It is running at a stock core of 2.4Ghz turbo upto 2.7Ghz. It has a 6650D apu along with it. Looks promising.
Check out the complete review
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First AMD Llano "A8-3800" Pictures and Benchmarks Exposed, Overclocked to 5.4Ghz on 1.2V
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Edit:There seems to be a bios error which shows the cpu at 5.4Ghz, but the actual clock speeds have been given as 2.4Ghz to 2.7Ghz.
Edit: These are the benchmark scores
3Dmark06: 6616 (stock) / 7278 (3Ghz)
3Dmark Vantage: 4019 (stock) / 4366 (3Ghz)
3Dmark 11 Extreme Preset: E1764 (Stock) / E1950 (3Ghz)
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abaddon4180 Notebook Virtuoso
This is a desktop processor, though. The fastest mobile runs at 1.9GHz with 2.6GHz turbo. I know AMD's Turbo Core allows all the cores to OC at the same time but I don't know if the 2.6GHz label means that it the fastest they all can go at once or the fastest a single one can go with the other ones disabled. I wish the reviewer had tested this.
Either way, we can still get a rough estimate of how fast the mobiles will be since they have the same L2 cache. If all 4 cores can go up to 2.6GHz, then A8-3530MX should perform pretty close to the benchmarked A8-3800 at 2.7GHz. That would put it around the top of SB i5's in heavily threaded performance. If it can only get all cores to 2.4GHz then it will be around the middle of them. -
A8-3800 isn't a Llano model number I've seen a leak of before....could be a desktop part....or a fake.
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I think around next Wednesday we'll have benchmarks for mobile Llano's. I Turbo core is only going to get the CPU at 2.4Ghz max with all cores and 2.6Ghz with 2 cores.
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So if it does compare to the i5's of the intel, amd sure has done a better job than I expected.
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Don't put me on quote, 2.6Ghz with 2 cores on Llano is equivalent to a Phenom mobile @ 3.2Ghz (2 cores). Currently the Phenom N660 is only 3Ghz and is equivalent to a i3-370M and i3-2310M (Sandy). If true the Llano with 2 cores @ 2.6Ghz would be faster than i3-2310M (Sandy) and is used for most games.
Also if true no quote please, 2.4Ghz with all cores on Llano is equivalent to a Athlon X4 640 desktop @ 3Ghz (4 cores) or 2.2Ghz with all cores on Llano is equivalent to a Athlon X4 desktop @ 2.7Ghz (4 cores) . Currently the fastest Phenom Quad mobile is the N970 @ 2.2Ghz which is equivalent to a i5-430M in multi-core applications. If correct, Llano @ 2.6Ghz with all cores would be a bit faster than a i5-460M and at 2.4Ghz with all cores as fast as i5-450M.
Edit: To my knowledge no quote please, Hybrid CrossFire only works with A6 and A8 Llano mobile models. No one has confirmed a HD 6770M working with Hybrid CrossFire, I think Hybrid CrossFire is possible but only with GDDR3 version of HD 6770M. In Hybrid CorssFire expect up to 30% gain on the discrete graphics card is games that support CrossFire. -
Seems good enough for gaming.
Really what I see here is not intel loosing, but Nvidia.
This really puts up their low and mid range cards in a state of trouble.
Edit: If that's really the case, it would be a disappointment. The 6770M is preferred only because of it's GDDR5 memory. -
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I said not to quote me.
But we'll see when benchmarks show up. 2.6Ghz being equal to a N660 sounds off because the fastest A4 (Dual Core) is only 2.5Ghz. The architecture hasn't changed but AMD has done something with memory controller which benefits both the CPU and GPU. -
They sure have made some changes to the memory of the die.
The worst that could happen is, that when the gpu is stressed, it would hog all the memory bandwidth of the cpu bringing it down to I don't know what?
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Do you know of any notebook scheduled to launch with llano? -
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June 14, 2011 (Tuesday) from this source: AMD Llano mobile to launch on 14th of June
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15% makes sense, the the A8-3530MX @ 1.9Ghz with all cores would pretty much equal the current Phenom N970 @ 2.2Ghz and A8-3530MX @ 2.6Ghz dual-core would pretty much equal a N660 @ 3Ghz. I think that's the least AMD should be aiming for their top tier mobile quad-core, if not AMD did something terribly wrong.
Please do not quote.
I just hoping for the above performance if true then that's like getting a N970 and N660 all in one CPU depending on the core/temperature load. Paired with a HD 6620G + HD 6770M(?) in Hybrid CrossFire would be a killer gaming/desktop performance laptop. -
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Even if they AMD did design the APU without even realizing there might be a bandwidth problem, though, I can't imagine a situation where lack of bandwidth would come into play with modern memory.
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Not even going to be close to Sandy Bridge CPU performance or efficiency, but I guess the IGP is nice for the tiny minority who still cares about PC gaming and too cheap to spend a bit more for a real CPU and a real GPU. -
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Just some quick looks at benchmarks will show you that when the user reports that Llano is no faster than Phenom II, he means desktop Phenom II with L3 cache not mobile Phenom II (Danube) with no L3 cache. Desktop Phenom II is about 10-20% faster than Danube. So Llano, if the benchmarks and the post you linked to are to be believed, is clock for clock, as fast as desktop Phenom II. It is still not close to Sandy Bridge, sure, but it is slightly higher than C2D and almost Arrandale in performance per clock. If anything, these benchmarks make Llano more desirable. So, if AMD delivers on the battery life, we are looking at
- Close to Arrandale clock for clock performance
- ULV battery life
- Up to 2.5-3 times SB graphics performance
- Price tag under $700
Thanks a lot for pointing that post out. After seeing those benchmarks I was incredibly disappointed but now they make a lot more sense. I can't wait for Llano now. -
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Well for me, the llano is a significantly better option than a sb.
The sb's have power no doubt, but I don't have that kind of programs that needs that kind of power. A quad running at 2.0 Ghz is enough for gaming, and since hybrid crossfire may be coming, it'll offer more than what the intel gpu can ever achieve.
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If the release of Llano drives prices down for SB then Intel is still a viable option for me.
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And the Llano listed is including a 19% VAT. Without said VAT, it is around $700. -
That's what I had calculated too, Llano pretty much equal Arrandale clock for clock.
So Samsung getting 30nm DDR3 for Llano or something? Cause I know Llano support 1.35v DDR3L-1333/1666. -
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I do not know how reliable this is but Wikipedia says Llano mobile is available June 16, 2011 and Llano desktop is available June 20, 2011.
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Here's a test of a K10 at 3.3 Ghz with 6MB L3 cache (more than any Llano will have) vs. a Clarkdale at 2.93 Ghz, 4MB cache (same as arrandale i7). The crippled i3 without turbo still wins. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/187?vs=118
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I not too sure that you'll get a better GPU for $100 more but a better CPU is certainty.
I'm in the middle and don't really care which I get between Intel, AMD and NVIDIA but for everyday tasks anything in between a i3 and i5 Sandy Bridge is good for my use.
If AMD can offer a CPU that fits the above criteria plus add a great GPU to the package at low price then I'd don't see why I wouldn't go AMD.
Currently a Y570 i3-2310M with GT 555M goes for $720 + tax in Canada and there's no i5 version available in Canada but that's not the point. If AMD can offer a A8-3830MX with HD 6750/6770M Hybrid Crossfire for the $700 or less than it's AMD for me, assuming the A8-3830MX beats the i3-2310M (Sandy Bridge) in performance and is is par with a i5-460M (Arrandale).
Please do not mention the HP DV6T i3/i5 with HD 6770M cause its not available in Canada (so disappointed, else I would already have a laptop).
Besides if Llano can indeed to Hybrid CrossFire, a HD 6750/6770M in Hybrid CrossFire is still faster than a HD 6770M alone on the HP and GT 555M on the Lenovo. -
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Up here in Canada we do get screwed on price and selection with laptops. I like buying crap like laptops from big box stores because if there's a problem with it , it takes me half an hour to throw it back at them and say "give me another one."
I have to admit its going to be nice to have a laptop where I can play games with more intensive graphics at a price point I really like. -
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I've already mentioned the prices in Canada and the GT 555M is the best card at under $800. Please do read before you post.
There's no HD 6770M option in Canada with a i5 and please leave i7's out of the topic cause most who are going for Llano laptops do not need a i7, besides the fact anything i7 + GT 555M in Canada is $900 at least so I do not know where you get $800 from (no DV6T in Canada).
The HP Llano laptop mentioned for $700 is with a HD 6520G + 6750M, so I don't know what you're blabbing about a HD 6630 or HD 6770M being faster than a Llano IGP.
I clearly sense a Intel fanboy here not to mentioned the disrespect for non US residents and I've already stated it does not matter which I go for as long a price/performance and most importantly availability fits my asking criteria. -
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http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4210/35835.png
Sabine will also be better than SB duals, quads aren't in the $800 price range, in anything that can take advantage of all 4 cores while offering close to the performance to similarly clocked Arrandale in anything else. -
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Just to sum up everything that has been said, using what benchmarks and information we currently have,
- Desktop Phenom II ranges from 10%(Arrandale i3/5) to 20%(Arrandale i7/desktop) slower than Westmere in performance per clock
- Danube, mobile Phenom II without L3 cache, is 10% to 20% slower clock for clock than its desktop counterparts
- Llano, desktop and mobile, will offer similar performance per clock to desktop Phenom II
- Mobile Llano, Sabine, offers about a 10% clock for clock performance boost over mobile Phenom II with basically the architecture
- Sabine will be about 10% slower per clock than Arrandale
- Because of Llano's ability to OC all 4 cores, or so we believe, the lowest Sabine quads will perform similar to Clarksfield/high-end Arrandale SB duals in heavily threaded applications
- In lightly threaded applications, Sabine will perform about as well as Arrandale processors with 10% lower clock speeds. So Sabine running at 2.6GHz will be similar to Arrandale running at 2.3
- The price of the highest Sabine quad notebooks will start under $700
- The highest Sabine IGP offers from 2 to 3 times the graphics performance of mobile SB IGP
What we don't know,
- Battery life. The only information we have is the 10.5h idle number from AMD
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Well the fanboys have been heard obviously. Honestly, I just compare with price/performance. The sb quad i7s are good enough to beat anything llano throws at them, so amd has sacrificed the high end market yet another year. But it seems they will provide some stiff competition in the mainstream consumer market, the core i5 market, where the majority of users buy a laptop.
Can someone explain this hybrid crossfire? and also, llano may be able to turbo all 4 cores, but it isn't going to get its max turbo speed with all 4 cores active. -
Liano was not meant to go up against Intel's higher end SB's anyway.
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AMD needs to stop competing with last generation, and work to catch up to intel current/future offerings. -
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abaddon4180 Notebook Virtuoso
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Lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
Even if you can pair it up with an HD6550 or something for around a doubling of performance (of the integrated solution) we are talking 6770 performance levels.
Now the l3 cache helps a LOT with games. Bump that up with a frequency of around 2.2->2.3ghz and thats going to saturate the graphics capability just fine.
One thing's for sure, if this takes off Kingston have a whole new market for their fastest ram because you are going to see serious scaling of performance with ram clocks. -
Lately all the Phenom Laptops I have seen have the same price point as their superior Intel counterpart, only people who do not better will get suckered in buying them. -
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Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow
Well I thought Llano's target market was the mid range which DOES sell more than the high end (900+). Zacate dominates Atom so unless Intel starts outputting ULV Core i series in their netbooks, Fusion APU for the netbook/cheapo laptop market is going to continue the trend.
Amd Llano Benchmarks
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