7k100 or wd2500beve

hi i'm just wondering whether the western digital 2500beve will match up the 7k100's performance. I assume that these are the fastest pata notebook hard drives available - if not, what are? Currently I am using a momentus ST9100824A 5400rpm hard drive, what performance gains can i expect to get?
thanks

 

Compare whatever parameter you want using the Tomshardware 2.5" HDD charts. The WD2500BEVS is the same as the WD2500BEVE except for the interface and I suspect it will beat the 7k100 in everything except access time. The 7k100 also has higher power consumption, but lower is better when it comes to power.

John

 

i have already checked those charts, the problem is that they don't have the pata version of the western digital there, and if you check the performance charts u will see that there are some significant differences when comparing the sata and pata versions of the 7k100 ( i'm assuming therefore that there will be differences in the sata and pata versions of the western digital), thanks for your help anyway

 

I am using a 7k100 here, have been for 6months+ I am quite happy with it, coming from a 4200 rpm lol! It fast, but not too friendly on the battery life.

 

Valid point about the differences between PATA and SATA. The latter offers higher interface performance (but this is only relevant for transfers to/from the HDD cache) and SATA uses more power. The other benchmark results should be very similar. The fact that some are and some aren't suggests some scatter in the results.

If you prefer 100GB 7200rpm then you will see better performance and less power consumption from a 100GB version of the Hitachi 7k200.

John

 

is the 7k200 available in PATA

 

No, the 7k200 is only offered in the sata form.

The wd 250gb pata 5400rpm drive is about the same speed as the 100gb 7k100 pata drive.
Either of the drives will be very fast, and indistinguishable.
I would go for the wd, cause it has more storage.

K-TRON

 

Just to let you know that I jumped from an Hitachi 7K100, Momentus 7200.1 to a 2500BEVS on my W3V. To be honest, I didn't notice much of a performance difference(which is really good since both those drives are considered fast for PATA) and I'm a pretty heavy user, but noise and heat was very drastically reduced. I've also done benches on this drive with HD Tune and found that it's virtually identical to it's SATA counterpart in performance.

You can see the benches posted on the HD Tune Benchmarks thread, my post is #119, and #118 posted by Flipfire is the exact same drive except that it's SATA.

 

definitely go 2500beve

 

Excuse me for kicking this thread. I'm searching for a faster hard disk for my laptop Asus Z92J-Q012H (that's an Asus from the A6000 series, A6Ja) with a Hitachi 100GB 4200RPM, 8MB cache, PATA (HTS421210H9AT00).

I attached my HD tune benchmark.

If I compare this with the WD2500BEVE benchmark from D3X that's a huge difference. If I check other 5400RPM benchmarks, they're just 5MB p/sec faster than my 4200RPM. How is it possible that the WD2500BEVE has such a huge higher performance?

I asked it on another forum where they said that I won't get such a performance as D3X has, because it's depending on my motherboard or something, or because it's an notebook harddisk...
Could someone confirm this, or would I really get that high performance?

If so I would really like to buy this hard disk, because my current hard disk is really slow.

 

The fastest PATA drive is Samsung HM160HC. I get about 52,3Mb/sec average.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21217&d=1216489766

 

The main reason for the faster performance is higher data density. The old Hitachi HDD probably has two platters each with 50GB. The WD2500BEVE has 125GB per platter (2 platters for 250GB) while the Samsung HM160HC uses only one platter (= 160GB per platter). The higher data density means more data can pass through the read / write head during one revolution of the disc.

John

 

Really thanks for the (fast) replies. I never heard about the data density and the platters. That declares a lot.

I would check the Samsung HM160C too, maybe I'll buy that drive or the WD2500BEVE or the WD1600BEVE.

I already have an external drive with 500GB, but more space isn't bad

 

you can check out the performance charts here, in my review of the Samsung Hm160HC:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=264209

As John mentioned, the difference in speed is mainly based around the increase in harddrive technology.
Your 100gb notebook drive is most likely a dual platter drive with 60gb per platter, with limited head movement to get 100gb capacity.
Their are only a few notebook harddrives for the IDE interface which have higher density platters. The WD2500BEVE drive has a 125Gb data density, meaning that 125gb of information fit on one platter. The Samsung HM160HC fits 160Gb on one platter. The more information which can be crammed on the platter generally increases performance. This is because the head of the harddrive can read more data in the same amount of time. (Because the platter's physical size is staying the same diameter, yet it is becoming denser in the data section)

K-TRON

 

I recommend getting the 2500beve, I had a 100GB 7K100 on my Thinkpad T42p and it was somewhat noisy and battery life was reduced dramatically.

 

Really nice review K-TRON and thanks for the explanation. Now I'm not really sure which drive I would buy: the Samsung or the WD. The Samsung is faster, less heat, but less capacity. I will consider these points.

With the Samsung I already have 60GB extra in my laptop, I think that I won't need 250GB internal HD, because I already got a 500GB external with a lot crap which I won't need when I'm at school or other place where I use my laptop. The currently 100Gb is always full at the moment.

Everybody thanks a lot for the information! From now on it's my own decision which drive I'll buy.

 

good luck,
both are excellent drives. I would say they are pretty close in speed, so if you want the capacity, go for the wd, but if you want the edge in speed the samsung drive has, go for that.

K-TRON

 

Last weekend I bought the WD2500BEVE, the speed is really fine. What a difference with my other drive.

Only one problem: the heat. My notebook Asus A6Ja isn't the coolest one.

My old hard disk raises up to 55 C degrees, maybe some degrees hotter when heavy using.

The WD temperature raises to 65 C degrees when heavy using it. As far as I know is that a critical temperature for hard disks?

On startup it's below 40 C degrees, after an hour of use (just listening music, browsing the internet, using Photoshop and Dreamweaver) it raises up to 60 C degrees.

Is it really dangerous to run on such high temperatures?
Maybe I should clean my fan too, I never cleaned it in two years and it's a bit dusty.

Stupid me...
I just found this thread:

forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=1306829

So maybe it wasn't really a good choice to upgrade my HDD.....

But I know that there are Asus A6ja versions which are shipped with an 5400RPM disk.

 

That sounds very hot yeah. Did you try lifting the notebook 1 cm from the surface?

I have a A6G here, and lost some of the rubber feet. The hard drive gets hot when there's no space between surface and notebook.

 

The notebook is only lifted from the surface with the rubber feets, so it isn't much, but it's not directly on the surface.

I was thinking about lifting my notebook higher from the surface, but I don't know how (because I'm using my notebook at home and other places like school). So it's need to be a mobile solution.

The A6G is from the same series, which hard drive do you have?

 

I have a Samsung HM160HC, it does not go above 45 C though.

I do notice a big difference (5 C) in temperature when I lay a pen under neath the laptop.

 

Whow that's a huge difference with mine. I would try to use a pen of something to check the difference, but it would still be too hot.
I think it's impossible to return my hard disk to the store and replace it for a Samsung.

Pretty dumb that I didn't think about the heat problems of the Asus.

Thanks for the info anyway!

 

Why don't you try it anyway?

 

Try what? Using a pen?

I would try it tonight when I'm at home, at this moment I'm at my work so I don't have my laptop with me

 

Yes a pen or anything.