2 TB ssds

@Spartan

if you still need storage

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123986224148

 

Now if only those had memory chips on both sides

 

Check my sig bro

 

WTH

on another note: i just noticed that the first 4 TB 2280 M.2 drives are becoming available, slowly slowly

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07ZQSDQDB...geizhals10-21&ascsubtag=2ACXJhVEvgVlXX9d6BE0w

 

Apple has an 8TB SSD FYI in their latest MBP 16 but I don't need that much storage, just saying though, it's great that we finally broke the 4TB limit for single drive NVMe SSDs.

 

nice find man, it'll be good for mass storage for sure.

that custom form factor though.

 

Not custom form factor, its soldered to the motherboard..

 

Yeah, those capacity options are great, but soldered to an M/B? It sounds like a throwaway solution to me.

If/when any servicing is required, that platform would not leave my offices without it being thoroughly pulverized with a silver hammer. Yeah; security and privacy at its most basic level.

@Spartan, that is obviously a well-equipped mobile platform you have there, spec-wise, have you done any kind of review on it? I would be interested in your workflows/workloads and how well this system meets or exceeds your previous build.

 

He'll be on newer MBP by the time SSD space is fully utilized! Haha...

 

I'm not worried about that, I'm worried about the data on the freaking M/B and having to pass it over to a fruity 'genius!

 

At least if you're near a Micro Center (not sureabout shipping): https://www.microcenter.com/product...80-pcie-nvme-30-x4-internal-solid-state-drive

 

eww soldered SSD, 4TB really?

 

Yeah nice way to upgrade SSD with newer Gen hardware since soldered one is good for nothing once board is poof or T2 controller chip goes out.

 

These Sabrent drives reportedly have problems with Bitlocker and overall quality, otherwise I'd be happy to get one - been waiting for 4TB m.2 for couple years already. Hopefully some other 4TB m.2 drives will be released in reasonable time; also, I personally would prefer SATA over NVME, for less heat.

 

What issues besides Bitlocker (which doesn't matter to me)?

 

Some Amazon reviews report fast drive failure and/or that these drives tend to run hot, while most positive reviews only focus on benchmarks right after receiving the drives, without any information about prolonged use, which doesn't inspire confidence. Also, cloning to these drives is difficult due to lack of 512 byte sector emulation (irrelevant to me).

 

all NVMe drives run hot though. issue with this is controller need to stay cool to last but the flash chip needs to stay hot for better endurance, while at the same time if they use crappy solder or poor soldering job then the hot flash chip will kill itself with cracks in solder eventually.

this is the reason why i go expensive drives when it comes to m.2, either intel or samsung, not saying they wont fail but just a bit more trust worthy & long lasting. and not just any expensive drives, expensive enterprise drives that is known for quality like optane SSD or server with eTLC/eMLC SATA mass storage SSD, this is win-win but i dont usually talk about this cause its niche within niche. @tilleroftheearth would understand as storage enthusiast.

 

@ole!!! I believe entry enterprise sata e.g. Micron 5100 or something along the lines would be enough for me... as long as it is 4TB & m.2 2280.

 

yea i got two of the 5100 at 3.8tb versions, pretty good, abit slow on the 4k but for mass storage its already good enough.

 

For my more normal mobile workloads, the Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB drive runs cool, efficiently and outperforms (probably because of the M.2 throttling issues) Samsung 970 Plus (EVO and Pro) 2TB drives in real-world use.

I've always said I want balance in my platforms (with an edge in snappiness/responsiveness). Max out the RAM, throw in a high capacity SSD that is fast and sips power and I'll be more productive than on an otherwise similar system where the paper specs are better, but the real-world performance and endurance away from wired power sources is significantly worse.

As soon as Adata updates the XPG SX8200 Pro to 4TB+, I only hope that their other characteristics are unaffected (including their low price).

 

I think most OS disregard any type of storage encryption and defaults to Software encryption say BDE or veracrypt.
The difference in almost NIL for a properly cooled NVMe and SATA drives, I found NVMe is hotter than SATA by 2-4C and under use had the same heat 70C with NVMe outperforming SATA by a small margin.

@tilleroftheearth Are you aware of the issue on Samsung Client based SSD especially 850 EVO m.2 which performs like garbage SSD when whole drive is partitioned as ext4 or any others?
I couldn't find a solution, so I tried allocating 10GB and formatted to NTFS and ran Optimize and SSD performance was as advertised in both Linux and Windows. What I couldn't believe that fstrim job was working but Samsung FW was rejecting or faking it and causing performance degradation.

 

@Vasudev, interesting point about Ext4. But I don't use that at all.

NVMe drives run hotter because they can hit peak performance very, very quickly. The 'small margins' they outperform a 2.5" SATA SSD is small comfort in a notebook where cooling is very limited.

That is why the Intel 660p and hopefully the 665p along with the new champ the Adata XPG SX8200 Pro (2TB and above need only apply...) are such a breath of fresh air in the mobile space.

Not that they are totally impervious to throttling when pushed for very long periods of time, of course, but they are much better than anything else I've tried on my mobile platforms.

 

Just installed a Sabrent 2TB bought on black friday, nice drive:


Very similar to my other 2TB drive with Phison E12 controller (Silicon Power)..

On Amazon there's always someone pointing out some problems but normally statistic (when high numbers are available) help in making a choice.. Anyway I can say that my Sabrent runs really cooler than my 970Evo in the same system, something like 27°c vs 45°c in idle, same heatsink, and the more ironic thing is that is also faster in magician benchmark (380/350 kiops read/write vs 350/300Kiops of the samsung). If I could go back I will buy only this kind of 'cheap' SSD over the samsung one (and it's near 2 pieces for the price of 1 for the 2Tb size).

 

Valid point.

That's very helpul, thank you. What heatsink do you use, how well does it fit inside your Precision?

 

The heatsinks are the originals one provided from Dell, just some tiny copper plates (nothing really performing, unfortunately).

 

The 660p has poor random I/O performanc, especially in terms of latency ( https://www.storagereview.com/node/7068). I've also read, but can't find the reference right now, that write throughput slows drastically (to below HDD levels) if you write more than 100GB or so without giving the drive time to move data out of the pseudo-SLC cache. Now, all of this won't matter to everyone, but it is something to be aware of (along with the much lower write endurance) if you're doing heavier data transfer.

I don't know what "NVMe drives run hotter because they can hit peak performance very, very quickly" means. Might the 660p dissipate less power because it runs slower? Sure, but to transfer the same amount of data also means that it has to transfer data for a longer period of time.

 

@rlk, yeah, the 660p has slower specs, but only in comparison to the fastest SSD's out there that can use 2x more power for less than 2x more performance. No one is recommending to buy these drives for a workstation... but for an everyday 'digital notebook', they hit a very nice sweet spot. When they were originally introduced, they were the efficiency kings. However, Adata has easily surpassed them in both performance and efficiency, but not quite caught up to them in price... yet.

Also, don't forget that I don't consider the smaller capacities at all for any SSD I buy. 2TB (with 1TB the bare, bare minimum until 2019 is done) is where all the magic happens since SSD's were born. For performance, responsiveness, and efficiency.

When you're talking real-world performance, even the 660p topped the Samsung 960 EVO and the 970 EVO Plus (both 1TB or larger) in my real-world testing (on my less heavy workloads, of course) - and that is ignoring the battery run time improvements on the mobile platforms I tested at the time too. The XPG-SX8200 Pro @ 2TB capacity is just better, but slightly more expensive (and easily worth it for me).

But I don't buy these drives for their maximum (or synthetic) performance... rather, I buy these because, in their own ways, they give Optane-like responsiveness for pennies per GB on my less demanding platforms.


See:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-660p-qlc-nvme,5719.html

See:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-ssd,5955.html

 

I'd be real careful about anything Toms says.
They have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar more than once (taking bribes for good review outcomes).
Back about 1997-98 they were not a bad site.....but it's been a exponential dive from there.

Try this instead...not a biased review.
https://www.storagereview.com/intel_ssd_660p_series_review
You'll find out it's a cheapo ssd barely able to outdo a spinner.

 

I'd be really careful about believing a site that is testing a consumer SSD with enterprise-level workloads and invariably finds it lacking vs. the enterprise-level drives they compared it to.

Testing against appropriate real workloads/workflows trumps anything synthetic testing can reveal.

I am not showing Tom's results as anything other than it matches my own experience/testing with these drives.

YMMV.

 

I have to confess that I look with a somewhat jaundiced eye on reviews that emphasize the aesthetics, particularly something like an M.2.

 

You do know what the word "aesthetics" means....right ?

Neither Toms hardware or Storage review make mention of the drives appearance (although I might have missed some small passing mention in one or the other article I must admit).
I have not noticed mention of it on this site either.

Is there some other review ... ahh, found it, the adata review at Toms.

Sorry, I was cornfuzzled there for a bit.
I honestly have no problems with the guy mentioning that the drive comes with a heatsink and thinking it looks good.
He didn't seem to gush about it.

 

mmmmyea.... dont care about aesthetics when it comes to SSDs and a few % more "real world performance" due to the SLC cache is hardly a valid point for me (shocker that SLC beats MLC, right?! lol). thanks, ill stick to samsung warranty and reliability

btw my 970 pro has never throttled once, heatsink keeps it below throttling temp at all times, no matter the workload

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Care to tell us about this cookie jar? I mean its really no surprise, especially when they love to advertise q1t1 drives as hitting 80mb/s read when they never hit over 60 in real world. I really cant imagine any of them not being cookie monsters personally.

 

It should be pretty well known about on most any *real* computer enthusiast site.
Too bad Hardocp no longer exists, I could point you right to the specifics....maybe anandtech still has something about it ?

I always thought Hardocp was a straight up site but it's kinda fishy that Kyle (the owner) was given a fat PR job at Intel about the time of the whole spectre (etc) bugs coming to surface.
Nah....it couldn't be that intel bought him out too....

 

That's what I hear in Samsung forums. They say Linux is new Buzzword for them.