16gb SODIMMS, When will they be here?

Desktops already have 16/32gb DIMMs, when will we get 16gb SODIMMs?

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We will get 16GB SODIMMs when there is a demand for them, enough such that the manufacturers will make a profit out of it.

 

It would be $700~850 for the first months or so like the first 8GB/piece so-dimms

 

Yes, but i know people who would kill to have them now regardless of the price. They will first make their appearance in mobile workstations since the people who buy them are those with heavy computing needs where more RAM is desirable.

I'm betting we'll see them before DDR4 is out at least.

 

Uhh you know the link you posted are all ECC memory, they are for servers and not for consumer use. No personal computer ever needs more than the current maximums of 64 GB RAM on an X79 mobo.

 

Discussing weather or not 16gb dimms are "needed" is another thread...

8gb dimms have been out for 2-3 years now. I haven't seen any talk about 16gb yet...

 

It is true though we need to see desktop dim's meant for consumer machines before we see them for laptops. The other problem is system support for the dim size as well.....................

 

I'm not turning it into a need thread, but that's essentially what it is. Manufacturers are not going to spend millions in R&D in product that has no market or very niche market. It's called profit magins, and with RAM it is ever shrinking.

 

I don't think you're going to do much on a mobile device, even if it's a "workstation" computer.

Max amount is is 4x8GB as of now (32GB) and if you're doing something really extreme, I suggest just get a desktop and jam in 128GB with an X79 motherboard.

 

You just offered a mini van option to some guy that's shopping for that accessory on a sports car. It may not be practical for his car at the moment, but he still wants whats he wants.

In any event, you'd have a time trying to find a practical use for that much RAM without a specified purpose. Think about it, if it were available right now only at 5 times the price, would you run out and buy it? If you're wonder if I've thought about it the answer is yes.

 

When you're crunching numbers, running out of RAM sucks, same for rendering (i'm sure KCTech1 would agree). I'd rather have more when possible to avoid that kind of scenario even if it means crunch time will be higher.

See: http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...uch-too-much-ram-ssd-storage.html#post8850210

When 8GB SODIMMs came out, almost no one needed them, but a few people who needed more RAM for situations when they were on the go without access to a desktop or a cluster were happy to have the option.

 

who told you that millions need to be spent in R&D to double the RAM size on a memory stick ??

me -> LOL.

but yes, main reason is that 16GB DIMM for laptops is not in high demand as it looks, so why make it ..

 

It is very strange if you create thread for example "When will someone create a car with 2 separate gas engines" and then not expect someone ask why the heck do you need it at all!

I hope no one will EVER create 16GB SODIMMS. Therefore I will NEVER see useless threads like "When do 32 GB SoDIMMS appear?" and so on.

 

It does take R&D and also support/commitment from the cpu/MB/chipset manufacturer to enable a doubling of RAM Sodimm modules. And now with the memory controllers inside our cpu's - it is not as easy (impossible!) for a system maker to add this support themselves (with a daughter-card, for example, on the main motherboard).

Unlike most people here that think 16GB RAM (total) is overkill for a mobile platform, there are also many people that would love to have a 16GB Sodimm as an option. Running a single VM benefits greatly from giving it more than 2GB RAM (I would be giving it 8GB - just like my 'min' for a physical setup) - running a complete virtual network (with a server and clients) in multiple VM's begs for more than the 32GB we're stuck with now.

For myself (high res image editing); I would jump on these Sodimms as soon as they dropped to 'affordable' levels (~$400 in my case). This RAM 'upgrade' would enable me to keep my systems longer, make me much more productive on location and negate the NEED for a secondary HDD/SSD for use as a 'scratch/temp disk'.

The people that feel 4/8GB RAM is fine for their needs can still buy those circa 2009 spec'd modules - but that doesn't mean that the ones that can put 100GB+ RAM to use should be left out either.

These kind of threads are not useless - I am sure manufacturers are reading/skimming these forums too and decide if/when/how to release these new products.

It's not a matter of if - it's a matter of when these will be released.

The only thing I would consider though when these are available; will DDR4 based systems be significantly faster? And will such systems be available in a reasonable time frame (one quarter; ~3 months).

Even if the new standard (DDR4) will improve my workflow considerably (>10/20/30%) but will not be available for half a year or more: the higher capacity DDR3 16GB Sodimms will be more than worth it to upgrade all my systems to because doubling my RAM capacity will effectively double my productivity too (until DDR4 platforms become the norm).


As to the OP's question of when we'll get 16GB Sodimms?

Soon!


But for me; not soon enough.

 

Hmmm...

See:
Samsung Demonstrates DDR4 Memory Modules, DDR4 Roadmap - X-bit labs


We may be getting 16GB Sodimms exclusively in DDR4 flavors.

If 16GB DDR3 emerges and is compatible with my SNB and IB platforms - I'll still buy them.

 

Going by that it is a pretty good bet. Looking at DDR2 they cap'd at 4GB sticks and 800 MHz for consumer laptops. The same situation will most likely be with DDR3 to DDR4. Now 16GB sticks may appear later on as transitional but they will most likely maintain a relatively high cost like the DDR2 4GB sticks do now compared to the same size stick of DDR3.

 

TANWare, you stated these additional factors better than I could (I gave up trying!).

This is one reason why I like to max out any new system I get as soon as I can - prices don't keep dropping indefinitely - and performance gains over a few short weeks/months (of additional ownership of the 'old' systems) is not as advantageous as those same gains over the lifetime of the systems in question (usually 2-4 years).

 

It will not be soon. You may see it in lets say 2 years. Yeah. I say that you will see 16GB DDR4 SODIMMs for consumers in 2 years or 1.5 years the soonest.

 

James D - the eternal pessimist, lol...

I don't want to bet (except maybe an online high five 'congrats' to the winner) - but I think they'll be here sooner than that.

 

On the contrary, not useless; and the 16GB SD is inevitable. In fact, these questions are one of the beginning questions of all scientific invention.

And you sir? You appear to have a single-minded obsession too? You remind me of the Pakleds with their insatiable need for power.

 

Still remember the days of we will never need more than 64KB of ram. How time files and thing change.

As far as the power, I say thank goodness. In reality hardware specs have passed casual useage and OS requirements quite a while ago. If it were not for our wants for more then hardware develpoment would come to a crawl. I am an example of the above as in no way do I need a new system let alone a i7-3820QM. I do not even touch the 8GB I have now but I want that 16GB in the new system and later on the 32GB upgrade.

There is an old saying "the grass is greener on the other side" and while it may be there are some points where the grass is already so green the new shade is just indisernable from the old..............

 

Funny thing is that you are still trying to find ways to OC your i7-3820QM... as advertised in the Samsung thread

 

Yeah, still looking for the greener grass..................................

 

good gracious why would we need 32+gb of Unbuffered non-ECC RAM? I thought at 16Gb the soft error rate from cosmic rays or something becomes so prevalent that data sets and such get corrupted really easily assuming you actually fill the 16Gb. I'd love to see Buffered + ECC SODIMMS becoming more mainstream in consumer laptops at those kind of densities.

 

Do you think that's really needed considering the mobile, non continuous operational nature of a laptop?

 

ECC SO-DIMMs are coming with DDR4. http://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/JS_Choi_DDR4_miniWorkshop.pdf

Densities double, so 16GB unbuffered DIMMs and SO-DIMMs will be out. For 32/64GB parts, you'll be limited to registered (aka buffered), which is going to be a full-size form factor only.

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A lot of my users need 32gb; running 2 java application servers at around 6gb each, plus a proprietary IDE at 3-4, and a regular java IDE at 3-4, plus an OS, plus a local copy of Oracle or SQL server, plus Outlook... it's sorta doable on 16gb given some swapping, or undersizing of heaps. Once you add integration work there are more app servers rather than 2, forget it.

In practice, that means we're buying a lot of Lenovo W520/530 machines as they're one of the few 15"-class machines that will take 4 SO-DIMMs, and the alternatives we're aware of are even bigger and heavier.

 

Exactly! I am studying towards my MCSE on Server 2012 in addition to simulating the network as well using GNS3. Virtualbox does not do memory balooning and in addition each 2012 box needs at least 2GB of RAM to run effectively... more if you actually want to do something with it. (Virtualbox Page Fusion doesn't work worth a either... I had to turn it off.) At work my boss would also like me to simulate a complete network upgrade to Server 2012, including the AD, Exchange 2013, Lync 2013 and Sharepoint 2013. Given that strictly Sharepoint 2013 needs 32GB of RAM, I have a *little* problem. This means I normally horribly undersize the VMs and then suffer when I try to capture video of me demonstrating the infrastructure. Some folks would just use a Type-1 hypervisor in the backend but I travel a fair amount and end up working on these projects at odd hours in odd locations where I can get the time.


Furthermore when I am editing videos or transcoding, this laptop (Asus G73SW) could use all the help it can get. I've already maxed out the CPU, RAM (32GB) and I've got two 512GB SSDs. The one thing I can't do anything more with is the RAM. I'm otherwise happy with this laptop; I don't want to get rid of it only because there are no further RAM upgrades, but that's what it's looking like once DDR4 comes forth.

 

i for one would want 16gb stick but someone mentioned before its likely won't come out for another 2 years, for laptops. desktop maybe a year of time with haswell E anx x99 chipset.

64gb of ram, 24 for temp file, 24 for ram disk, rest for vmware and video encoding, good stuff

 

Just want to note that ECC SO DIMMs have existed for ages already. Almost no Intel chips support ECC so they are limited to some small niches sadly.

 

When you start seeing DDR3U-1866 1.20v sodimm sticks that's when you'll see a single 16GB sodimm DDR3L stick, IMO I think we will not see a single 16GB sodimm stick until Q1 2015 at earliest; basically next year is all about DDR4 then they start manufacturing the smaller process technology to DDR3U/L in Q1-Q2 2015.

It would not be in the best interest for ram manufacturers to start producing DDR3U/single 16GB DDR3 sticks before first introducing the smaller process technology to DDR4 for much more profit and faster speeds.

I'll probably still have my Sandy Bridge Y570 laptop by that time and looking forward on upgrading to DDR3U-1866 CL9/8 sticks...

 

im not sure if ddr3 sodimm will get a 16gb stick. however ddr3 will still last a good 2 years before ddr4 goes main stream so there just maybe a tiny chance..

 

Hi everyone!
Well it looks like its been around a year since the thread started... so ... anyone has information if there is available the 16gb single stick sodimm now? lets say for this beauty EUROCOM Panther 5SE

And let me share you that virtualization rocks hard now, i mean tons of projects involved with it and a mobile workstation saves time etc

the spec of the mobile server

EUROCOM Newsroom - Release

 

My comment on page 1 of this thread still applies. Would you care to venture the number of people "rocking hard" on that machine? 8GB SODIMMs came out because there was enough demand for them. When manufacturers think there is a similar demand for 16GB SODIMMs, they will release those.

Otherwise, you could wait until DDR4 becomes mainstream as that protocol is slated to have plans for larger memories (as mentioned several times in this thread).

 

I do not know of any mobile chipsets, or mobile CPU based memory controllers, that support a 16gb sodimm. Yes there are desktop sticks but even these are few and far between. If the OEM's can not get to sell them in droves for the desktop it is doubtful they will attempt to do this for laptops.

 

I wouldn't say chipset is an indicator because previous chipset specs said 8GB weren't supported but they worked when they became available. But you are right that the demand likely isn't there. If you need 32GB+ you're likely buying a workstation notebook with four SoDIMM slots, or if you need more, you're going to a desktop. Although our CAD workstation notebooks have 24GB RAM right now and are moving up to 32GB systems next year. So I guess I can see a need for it. But as noted DDR4 is on its way, should make its debut next year, and should offer much higher capacities along with much faster clocks.

 

The availability is also a function of how 'balanced' the system will be with a lot of RAM installed.

In the Vista x64 bit era (and associated platforms) 16GB was the best performance-wise (desktops, of course). With Windows 7 x64, especially with SNB platforms - 32GB or more was definitely more productive than anything less, but the systems still felt a little molasses-like when pushed to the limits.

With today's quad core Haswell based platforms and Windows 8.1 x64 Pro, 32GB's RAM make for a very balanced system - but much more than 64GB's and snappiness does suffer (comparatively).

With Broadwell and DDR4 spec'd RAM - the capacity where the cpu can drive the RAM effectively will also increase and the 16GB SoDimms will make more sense.


It is the CPU+RAM that gets work (productivity) done in a modern computer. But this relationship still needs to be in balance.


For example:

An i7 4700HQ (quad core) and 16GB of RAM would still produce more output than an i5 4200M with 32GB of RAM.

And just like any other component in a computer, RAM capacity needs to be matched to the cpu/platform. (The cpu is what allows any component to work to it's maximum level). With 99% of today's mobile systems: we aren't there yet (to need more RAM capacity).



As a side-note:
while some people lament the small 5% and 10% increases each generation of platforms gives us: the truth is that the real (work) capacity of the systems increase much, much more because of the relationship outlined above.

While the cost/benefit analysis doesn't support replacing/upgrading all my systems each year - I do replace my personal machines with the latest models as I can. The difference going back to even an 18 month old setup is astonishing and well worth the $$$$ to be on the latest tech.

But even I, who recommends 16GB and even 32GB RAM to clients who run mostly office workloads (those PDF creating requirements are a killer) on their desktops would not buy a current (mobile) system with more than 64GB right now - the 'balance' is simply not there.

 

Why do people climb to the top of Mt. Everest? If people didn't pose the question then develop a solution to it, then we'd still be living in caves and painting ourselves blue instead of launching rockets into outer space..

 

dont fix what aint broken aint that someones motto?

and there is almost 0 possibility that 16gb sodimm will appear in ddr3

 

The "solution" is with DDR4. Unless there are high enough capacity RAM chips, why develop it for DDR3 when DDR4 is knocking at our door? If you noticed, in the last year DDR3 RAM prices have steadily increased, that's because, like from transition from DDR2 to DDR3, factories are updating their equipment for DDR4.

 

Look for the JEEP HURRICANE... 2 separate V8 5.7L engines!!
Sory about the off topic
16gb DDR3 sodimm will be great but too expensives! You´d better look at a mobile version of ram disks, that would be awsome!

 

???

RAM disk requires more RAM to be used as a disk, one of the reasons you'd WANT more RAM...

 

You've just described the very reason why they're so desperately needed: Computers have gotten dramatically more powerful in just the past few years but, RAM seem to have stagnated at the very minimum capable.

On the other hand, storage has increased exponentially in speed, multiple drives, and GB/disc. Its well past the time mobile unit do as well with RAM.

 

32GB RAM (4x8GB) on a mobile platform is a lot for the power any mobile unit packs, including workstations. But just wait another 12 months and we'll have 16GB SoDIMMS with DDR4.

 

Most people don't realize what 32GB on a affordable mobile platform represent. Still modern formula 1 cars, Boeing liners, luxury cruises have been designed on networks of monster workstations packing 32GB RAM altogether.

I remember upgrading my 386DX from 2MB to 4MB of RAM just to play Syndicate Wars. And now I'm processing hundreds of 80MB RAW files, worth tens of gigs uncompressed..

 

DRAM Memory Modules | Intelligent Memory

single 16gb sodimm ddr3 modules are being sampled now

 

Wow. Nice.

Although I think I'd rather see 8GB-2400 modules before 16GB-1600 ones.

 

Although these are not available yet, they can still beat James D's prediction that DDR4 won't be available in 16GB capacities before ~Sept 2014 (or, ~Mar 2014 'at the earliest').


I would love to try these modules out and see how 'balanced' a Haswell based notebook is with these 'slow' (1600MHz) modules.


Nice catch ghegde!

 

Absolutely right for the majority of users. But animation and/or After Effects can gobble that up an still be hungry for more. In that case, like tilleroftheearth quest for speed, its never enough.

 

If one really need that much ram for computing/rendering, they should really build a server with real ram.

 

You do realize that that argument could have been made about anything computing ten years ago?