1 tb m2 2280 drives

my laptop has 3 sata m2 2280 slots and one 2.5 inch. so advances in this format are what im looking for, you can see my storage right now has 1 tb in m2 and 1 tb in 2.5

so for me ive been waiting for 1 tb 2280 cards for a while. it will make my laptop really fast and huge.

honestly 3 tb in raido will not only be the fastest available in all realism it will be 3 tb.


anyhow i saw newsbits about the 3d vnand from samsung 1tb 850 being available soon.

but then i saw in ces that sandisk also has a 1 tb card available soon.

only its closer to reality as it has sku already ready and its for sale for preorder in many stores

https://www.bestbuybusiness.com/bbf...ctDetail&productID=BB19904209&operation=Specs

heres an example

i have seen it for sale for 300 preorder, its already in google shopping etc and has about 8 online stores carrying it.

where as the 1 tb samsung 850 is still vaporware.

 

If theres another one along these lines post it here.

i havent heard one from crucial being made yet but if i did id prefer that as theirs is mlc.

 

I personally don't like the idea of 2280 SSDs at all. They lack compatibility. 1TB 2242 drive is what I'm interested in.

 

The 2280 (80mm length) M.2 form factor is a standard M.2, the interfaces are important to watch for compatibility, don't buy the wrong one - I know I need SATA III, but others might want PCIE x4

2242 (40mm length) M.2 is too small for a 1TB size right now, in fact 2280 was too small up until the recent (almost) releases.

Until now the 1TB capacity was only available in the 22110 (110mm length), which few (Apple) supported.

A little more patience, we are still in the first "week" of 2016

 

@hmscott 2280 SATA drives are functionally absolutely the same as their 2.5" and mSATA counterparts, only more expensive - hence I'm not very interested in them for personal use, as of now. Given the length of 2280 drives, I'm disappointed there are no 2TB variations yet. I mean, 2280 drives can be double-sided, and m.2 is supposed to be the future, at least for ultrabooks - what's the problem? If 2242 single-sided 512GB drives are here already, then by all means double-sided 2280 2TB drives are possible. Meh.

 

stamar,

I wish you luck on your search, but M.2 drives are not what I would be pursuing in the early days of 2016...

See:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/are-there-any-m-2-4x-pci-e-ssd-drives-worth-getting.785257/


See:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=SNIA...eqFbHP8gewhLLABQ#q=snia+plexistor+ddr4+nvdimm


The above link shows what to possibly expect in 2016...

When the heat, the throttling (not just of the M.2 SSD, but also the rest of your systems components...) the low performance increase for most real world workloads (even in 'software' RAID0...) vs. 2.5" SATA3 drives and the cost are considered, M.2 is a 'still born' tech, imo.

Hope that the platform you want to install these in has the necessary PCIe lanes, the necessary cooling and the drives come at even better prices than what you're seeing now.

Otherwise? Unless just pure storage capacity, only 'bursty' loads (a few seconds or less) or simply bragging rights was your goal, this seems like a (throttling/heat/RAID0) disaster waiting to happen.

Buy with the intent to 'torture' test them and return them promptly if found unsuitable (w/no restocking fee too).

Good luck.

 

@tilleroftheearth

Can you please provide links for M.2 2242 512GB SSD's? The largest I could find were 256GB.

2TB isn't going to physically fit in the space of a 2280, at least not yet. 1TB are just now becoming available due to the size shrink benefits of 3d Vnand.

The physically larger 2.5" SSD's also have physically larger surface area to spread out the components, and better heat transfer / cooling over the metal cases.

Without anywhere for the heat to go on the small form factor M.2 2280, the best interface is likely going to be the slower SATA III - it puts out less heat than the PCIE x4 M.2 drives - about 70c max temp for SATA III vs 100c+ for PCIE x4.

The costs for M.2 SATA are the same as the same make/model 2.5" SATA SSD's. Parity was reached a while ago. There is no cost benefit with using 2.5" Samsung Evo 850, or Micron M600, or Crucial MX200, or Crucial BX100. It's within a few dollars either way.

The new 2280 M.2 1TB's are following this size vs cost parity, $299 / $349 for 1TB are good prices compared to the same 2.5" make/model.

For the larger MSI laptops with M.2 you can fit 4x M.2 + 1 2.5". The M.2 form factor gives you the ability for a much denser packaging and higher count. The 2TB versions use a much larger physical board to pack in all the components, way more space than available on an M.2 2280.

My GT80 takes 4x M.2 + 1 2.5", which means I can have 4TB + 2TB + 2TB in Optical if I could stomach a slower transfer rate, for 8TB total. Not bad.

The PCIE x4 drives while benchmarking much faster, don't provide much real world improvement in noticeable performance. The transfers people usually do, loading an app, opening a document, browsing a web page (cache), are all more CPU/GPU intensive than IO intensive, so they won't notice the improvement.

The much higher temps and 2x cost of M.2 PCIE x4 drives makes the M.2 SATA drives look like a bargin, and they are the sweet spot in performance/price for the M.2 SSD's.

 

@hmscott ZTC Armor 512GB and Transcend MTS400 512GB. Those are one-sided 2242 drives... meaning 2280 double-sided 2TB drive should technically be possible. Samsung, Micron and Crucial are all expensive drives, even their cheaper offerings - at least that is my impression after browsing Amazon.

 

Generally the premium brand/models cost more than the cheap ones. And, typically the Read/Write performance is reflected in the cost.

I use newegg to sort through the available drives usually, and looking at the speeds of the other brands/models, they are typically much worse in Write speeds than the top brand/models - Read speeds can be lower too.

It looks like the advertised speeds of the ZTC and Transcend are high enough (under 500MB/sec Writes), so that is good enough

You can contact ZTC and Transcend and ask when they are going to make 1TB/2TB 2280 M.2 drives - I assume they don't yet either?

Maybe there are other design considerations going from 512GB to 1TB / 2TB? It might be the packages available, and support circuitry required brings the size requirements up too high?

These 512GB 42mm solutions look like they have a single / dual package designed that solves the space issues - perhaps a similar single / or dual package design for 1TB/2TB is in the works?

I would imagine the 512GB and below M.2's will sell in higher quantity than the 1TB/2TB M.2's, at least with most consumers.

For us we would get 4TB M.2's if they were available

 

@hmscott I don't believe in price reflecting quality, or vice versa. Warranty definitely is included in price, though. Advertised speeds are just ads, I'd like to see some proper reviews first. ZTC seem to lack any website at all; I will contact Transcend. There may be a controller issue when stepping from 1TB to 2TB - IIRC many current controllers are not even designed to handle such capacities.

 

My laptop has 3 m2 ssd
And 1 2.5

Not pcie but sata


I have only even heard of 2 1 tb
Ssds in The pipeline.
And by the time 2 tb are on the market the format could be obsolete.


The first I heard about was Samsung 850.

But there's no link that it's coming soon for sale just that It's in the plan


Where as the SanDisk x400 part has an sku
And for what it matters transcend did announce a new sata m2 2280 drive but it's a 512gb mlc drive.

So micron has not even announced the concept of a similar product in the pipeline.


And like the msi titan owner my laptop will forever be m2 sata it has 3 slots so 1 tb x 3 is was bigger than an single size 2.5 in my laptop.

Anyhow if you're not interested in this size you're not if you are you are


You can see my ssds in my Sig and as soon as these come for sale it will be a huge upgrade for me

 

Seeing as there's only 2 on paper which do you like 850 or x400?

I don't understand the advantage of The x400 being thin

I already have a crucial mlc and a Samsung 850 in my system now and I way prefer the crucial It runs 30f cooler it's mlc which means it will last my natural life and it's 16nm vs 40nm( why it's cooler)

But The bx100 doesn't exist in m2 2280 size with 1 tb and it's not even in rumor

 

I personally plan to replace the 2 256 gb lite ons in My laptop with 2 m2 1 tb ssd

So my personal laptop will hav2 x400 I. Raid. A 500 gb 850 And a 1 tb bx100 as storage. 3.5 tb ssd speed and storage where as now it's 2 tb ssd. And then down the road I may upgrade the 2.5 inch

 

All of the M.2 high density drives (500GB+) ran the same high temps, none ran differently by more than a couple of degrees, that was an MX200, M600, and 850, all tested in 4x RAID0 and individually tested.

It's the form factor, no conduction cooling to the larger case, and no larger board to spread out the heat.

I hope to find the next releases run at least the same at 1TB density, but I am hoping for a bit cooler.

 

1TB M.2 will be expensive and if u gonna use it with AHCI storage interface there is wiser to buy mSATA .. as u save lot of monies.. If you would use 1TB SSD with NVMe storage interface then it would be worth buying 1TB M.2 ...
Now 1TB mSATA cost just £200

 

See:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ews-and-advice.429972/page-1102#post-10174579


Seems appropriate for this thread; but caution - this is not what I am recommending.

 

There are converters for M.2 to mSATA, but there isn't enough physical room in the bay where the 3x M.2 or 1x M.2 reside - not wide enough.

The new 1TB 2280's cost the same or less / MB compared to the best price on Samsung 850 Evo M.2 SATA.

Best price I can find on Samsung 850 Evo M.2 SATA 500GB is $178. And, so far the best price on 1TB M.2 SATA is between $299 and $349.

2 x $178 = $356, so the 1TB's are less at $299-$349

Right now £200 = $290, so that's a bit cheaper, too bad it won't fit...

 

Yes, the new for 2016 1TB M.2 drives are also supposed to come in M.2 PCIE x4, but at 2x the cost compared to M.2 SATA for the same storage size.

They also tend to package their drives with PCIE cards, which we would have to stick in a drawer, but I hope they also sell the bare M.2 PCIE drive too

No price yet...

 

For windows is pointless put 1tb . I have 256GB NVMe for windows and currently I have 1TB HDD samsung which I use it externally only... no point installing it into laptop .. .. but want to replace 1TB HDD with cheaper mSATA 1TB and I have already 3.1 USB type C enclosure M.2 and + M.2 to mSATA converter so yeah I know what you saying...
But just checked ebay again and that 1TB evo samsung mSATA disappeared and there is lowest for £250 .. Naah that's expensive.. comparing 1TB HDD just for £50 .. Had it since 2010 still perfectly works..

 

There no comparison between HDD and SSD that makes the HDD acceptable any longer. It's just too slow.

The time it takes for a backup at 125MB/sec vs 500+MB/sec is enough to know HDD is too slow.

And, if you have a RAID0 SSD external on USB 3.1/TB3, you can get 3000MB/sec.

HDD are dead to me

There aren't enough M.2 / 2.5" ports in a laptop usually to get fussy about isolating the System drive.

I usually install to secondary drives, keeping the C partition for system installs and application installs that are better done on the C partition, mostly for recovery purposes - I back up the C partition for restoral, and don't want it to be too large.

Put the largest SSD available in each port, those ports are a scarce resource. You wouldn't want to waste an internal port on an HDD.

I tried a 2TB HDD internally, just for sanity checking, and sure enough it was just toooo slow.

 

My laptop is already entirely ssd and I'd never get another hdd
My laptop has 3 m2 nvme sata ports.

So you cannot use msata in my laptop

If I could I would but the 850 1 tb msata

The 850 m2 2280 will be similar but it's not for sale.
The SanDisk x400 will suprisingly beat it to market even though they have no msata x400


So it's a weird thought whether you prefer msata or pcie or n2 2242. Lol

But your laptop only takes what it takes.

You can put an adapter on. Pcie card to use it on m2 sata laptop. But the concept is semi retarded. To spend more to use a pcie card and make it slower.

You cannot put an hdd in m2 2280 slots

You could put 2242 and fabricate new screws. Again semi retarded but closer to possible.

 

@stamar simple and elegant adapters are available to use 2242 SSDs in larger slots. I don't understand what's the fuss about raid 0 - what benefit does it bring you in real life when using small drives for OS, instead of large drives for serious work?

 

Well I use tb 3.0 HDD enclosure where is all my stuff photos video etc.. and I don't use it often.. and when I use it I attach it to usb 3.1 (it downgrades to 3.0 i know) but transfer speed is 90/95MB/s
I had 256 gb msata ssd in usb type c to type a 3.1 M.2 enclosure and transfer speed was 380MB/s but it degraded to 300MB/s
So with enclosures there is no trim support via usb tho..

 

is there some advantage you see about 2242 drives ?

i mean you are literally putting them on a larger board to fit with the screws at that point...

and there are 1 tb drives coming in 2280 but not in 2242

for all i can tell 2242 is already obsolete with no new ones being introduced

yes there is an advantage about raid 0, its both size and speed. so if i could have one raid 0 drive at 3 tb as opposed to 3 seperate 1 tb drives it would be much more useful as well as 3x as fast for certain things

 

Man forget ancient ''RAID'' it used to be designed (and is for servers with HDDs) for HDDs and mostly to use RAID 1 or RAID 5 or RAID 10 ..
RAID 0 is not reliable and very very risky for your data ...
We have now new type of very fast storages NVMe SSDs .. Even AHCI SSDs (SATA III) are great..
You won't get any benefit with RAID 0 in ''home using'' windows...

 

@stamar you mentioned fabricating new screws to put 2242 in larger slots, I simply noted it is irrelevant due to existing adapters - or did I misunderstand you?

 

no sorry i just dont understand the advantage of the shorter one if I am going to put a adapter on it to make it larger.....


I can understand somone wants the ssd to fit in the most different laptops but this one is goin to be likely just in this one its a 2280 laptop with 3 slots.

I hear you though thanks i researched this concept.

there are laptops that like 2242 size

well when your 3 disks are in raid 0 they are a 3 tb disk. and boot speed.

 

The problem is that your slots pushing you to buy more and fill the empty slots..
If u would have 10 empty slots you would be pushed to buy 10 SSDs..
But if you want do it.. satisfy your desires ..
The advantage of the one is that NVMe is capable of those your 3 ones , less risky , cost less .. faster
Here is mine only one SSD :

why did u add 500gb ssd along wit 2x 256gb ones ? and if u gonna create 3x raid 0 the half of the 512gb ssd will be dumped - not used..

 

I use all the space.

I will get rid of the 2 256 gb ssds probably one at a time. I already have an external case for one.

I added a 500 gb samsung because that was the largest that existed it still is I think. it was a storage and download drive. then i added the 1 tb ssd, so they both are.

I was thinking of getting 3 of them. but i changed my mind. Im not getting any more of them

Im getting 1 tb ssds

If I had 10 slots i would fill them all and use them. Youre asking why does someone need..... 2 tb of ssd storage?

Thats what I have now. when i replace one of the 256 with a 1 tb ill have 2.75 when i replace both ill have.... 3.5

probably stop there fro a long time.



probably.

I use all the storage i have and ill use 3.5 tb and use the 2 256 gb in externals too. I fill them all up completely.

If you dont use that much storage dont i guess. I could fill 100 tb easy. but in realism I think 3.5 tb is going to work for me better than 2 tb, obviously all ssd i dont want more storage with hdd but slow.

but somewhere in coming years i could forsee upgrading my 2.5 inch drive to a large one like an 8 gb one, and putting this 1 tb in an external encloser i also already own

so thats 10.5 tb in ssd in the future. If you cant see needing that kind of storage I can id use it all but it would take a while

and as far as installed software, now i have the 2 256gb or 512 for windows and software. when i have 2 tb ill have 2 tb in installed software and 1.5 tb in storage at that point and i can see using it all

 

So if you want it so much you could just get same brand 4x 1TB mSATA SSDs not M.2 bcos there are no 1TB M.2 yet.. and speeds are the same anyway ... buy 3x M.2 to mSATA adapters then buy one SATA to mSATA adapter (in 2.5'' pics below) And you will create Quad RAID 0 with 4TB of storage ?
Or not enough ?
Let me know if you can beat me with the speeds below

 

no my laptop doesnt have any msata connectors

just m2 2280. it has 3 m2 connectors i cant put msata 850s in my laptop

i could put an msata in a 2.5 inch adapter. but i already have a 1 tb 2.5 inch ssd so it doesnt help.

this laptop just has m.2 ssd slots. 3 of them

gentech put 4 m2 ssds in this laptop but raid x 4 didnt work.

raid x 3 works, it has 1500 read speed

this is a broadwell laptop so it doesnt have pcie



but 3 m2 satas are similar in speed, and will be far greater in terms od size and price.

so in practice it will be similar speed but much more space than your more expensive one. better cheaper.

speed is not the thing for me its really fast but to have huge ssd storage will be nice.

 

Man if you would have a look on my pictures you would know..
I know your laptop doesn't have mSATA slots that is why I showed you picture of the adapters M.2 to mSATA adapter and SATA to mSATA adapter.
Of course you can put mSATA SSDs via that adapter.
And yes you have just either RAID or AHCI support on your motherboard.. no the NVMe support I've checked your laptop specs already.
But making 4x RAID should work via adapters I mentioned.
So now you do not want the speed .. Hopefully you could have either 4TB or 3TB

 

no you cannot use msata to m2 adapters


yes this is called nvme 2280 sata 3.

pcie is also called nvme. both of them are called nvme.

even though in theory this laptop can be 4x sata 3 raid in practice it cannot be done. the 4th drive in the sata adapter makes the whole thing as slow as sata 3 x 2

gen tech did an experiment when the laptop was new

if i used the 2 tb samsung 850 with 3 m2 2280s id have 5 tb ssd

3 tb would be raid o 1500 read speed

the 2 lite ons are around 1000 read speed i have tright now. thats fast enough.

i dont plan to im just getting the 2280s no adapters. you cant fit msata with adapters in this laptop.

only in the 2.5 bay.

 

Even with msata to m.2 adapters, the msata ssd is still wider than the m.2 ssd. How do we put it into the laptop (whose space/width for the ssd is only enough for m.2)?

 

@robohgedhang in some laptops there is enough space on the sides around m.2 slots. Height is a problem, though - at least in mine.

 

I didn't know that ... My razer blade and dell xps 13 9350 don't have enough space.

 

Man I am sorry but you are COMPLETELY WRONG and you have TOTALLY no idea what are you talking about.. You need more technical experience..

No it is not called NVMe ''2280 sata 3''
What NVMe is, is new communication protocol which is attached with an socket connector what we call M.2 (NGFF) . With this connector M.2 you can use another older communication protocol called AHCI or RAID
AHCI and RAID uses SATA 3 interface supports max throughput with one storage drive which is 6Gb/s
NVMe is NOT SATA 3 interface anymore BUT PCI-e generation 3 x4 interface which then SSD communicating directly to the CPU instead going into chipset and then into CPU , that is why NVMe SSDs are so fast. 20GB/s
What you always mentioning your 2280 (80mm) is just the length of the M.2 SSD then there is 2260 (60mm) and 2242 (42mm)
And adapters DOES NOT makes anything any slower it is just ''adapter'' or ''link'' it doesn't degrade or slowing your SSD down AT ALL !

And your laptop Aorus X5 does not support NVMe SSDs
I am surprised that latest X7 pro sync does not support NVMe

Well I really don't understand why you wouldn't make Quad RAID 0 once all 4 SSD would be possible to fit in your laptop .. You would have to get 4x 512GB M.2 SSDs and 4th one you would use adapter for 2.5'' bay his one :

 

Some laptops has enough wide space to fit adapter ..but this is rare it is just for ppl who wants 1TB mSATA SSDs in their laptops.. that's it..

 

I mistook ngff for nvme

Ngff is the size it shares with pcieme


But here's the thing predator I'm asking about 1 tb sata 2280 drives.
If you weren't talking about that and you were not you are wasting time with weird garbage

That's why I titled this thread that you're in the way I did.

I don't want to hear about adapters or whatever. Whatever you think you know as a know it all.

I don't really ever want to hear from you again personally don't post in any of my threads. You contributed absolutely nothing but a waste of time and space.

 

http://www.shopblt.com/item/sandisk-sd8sn8u-1t00-1122-1tb-x400-ssd-6gb/sandsk_sd8sn8u1t001122.html


I got an email that the first orders of this product are coming in 11 days

Sandisk advertising has changed to being the first 1 tb ss m2 2280 available in the world. That sort of implies.... that its available?
definitely will be available before the samsung 850 it utilizes an extremely similar concept of 3d tlc nand and slc cache.

im not sure if mlc 2280 will ever be available in this size of 1 tb. it probably will but im not sure it will. so its possible i will have 2 or 3 of these.

 

Sandisk is now for sale for cheap

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0195...&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=sanfosk+x400

Be on the lookout for reviews and also if any others are coming out.


The only other one I've even heard about is a 1 tbsamsung 850

 

I've paid more for a 36GB Raptor.

The 1TB Samsung 850 is not worth looking at...

See:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9023/the-samsung-ssd-850-evo-msata-m2-review/2

Yeah, I know we're talking about M.2 here, but they just state that the 2.5" is okay...

For comparison; the 2.5" 'scores' a 9753.93 and the mSATA 'scores' a miserable 3956.50 in Steady State Random Write performance - yeah; only ~40% of the 2.5" model's performance - or alternately, the 2.5" performs almost 2.5x as well...


Now, where are the reviews for the SanDisk?

 

i actually already have a samsung 850 500 gb m2 2280

Ive run lots of tests on it it is fine. it is not as fast as the lite on 256gb that came with my system

 

The issue is with the 1TB models, not the smaller ones.

 

mSATA drives always perform like crap, and that is a very old review, not applicable to the as yet unavailable Evo 850 1TB M.2.

Why spread FUD ahead of the release of Evo 850 1TB M.2?

 

Yeah, old review because that is how long that problem has been around for. The article states it will be updated if the status changes on the 1TB models.

The article also states "Architecturally the mSATA and M.2 models are not any different from their 2.5" sibling."...

And yet, and yet...

No FUD being spread - just a friendly warning to anyone considering these drives.

The issue may not apply to the M.2 1TB 850 EVO (and I hope it doesn't, ever), but the evidence so far suggests otherwise.

 

Sorry man, this is the definition of FUD.

Base-less accusations based on Zero actual data, and then calling it evidence.

There is no evidence, there is no shipping device, there are no reviews.

You are spreading base-less FUD.

 

You are blind to the links under your nose.

Believe what you want. I choose to read for comprehension.

 

How about we wait for the actual device to release, multiple sites review it, and then we can make a determination as to what the worth of the device is, until then please stop pulling in unrelated info and calling it evidence damning the device before it is even released.

 

No belief necessary.

Read the facts starting from post#42 (again...).

See:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/downloads.html


(Yeah; no firmware available for any Samsung SSD model past the 840 series from Nov/2015).



That 50 second 'pause', which effectively freezes your system is not something to forget too easily.

I am a belief based person, yes. And I can also agree with your last sentence fully.

But that doesn't mean I have to forget the issues that have not been addressed by the manufacturer for almost a year now, does it?

You can forget if you want. My eyes are open and my concerns valid for many others around here too.

We're talking about 1TB M.2 SSD's here. The info I presented is relevant and related to the topic at hand.

Since Samsung didn't get back to anandtech with an update/fix (much less an explanation...) of why the 1TB mSATA sucked so much, I hope that the third gen 3D nand they're pushing has fixed this issue for us mere users.

See:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9652/...llout-4tb-850-pro-1tb-850-evo-m2-more-in-2016

It is interesting that the article is from Sept/2015 (yeah already 4 months ago...). Curious if they are still trying to mitigate the problem that anandtech discovered almost a year ago on their gen 2 3D TLC high capacity 'gum stick' offerings?

In addition to the facts, I do also offer my opinions too, of course.

Try to not mix up the two and spread FUD of your own.