P Series (P34,35) Skylake Refresh By December

In the Gigabyte reddit thread (link below), it was announced that the new Gigabyte P models will be out by late next month. Going to be competing with the MSI GS40. Think the new P34 will be throttling though, like the P34Wv3. But the Skylake heat efficiency might help with that a lot. Though I would prefer a cool laptop that runs at a lower fps. The new P34 will definitely stick to the 970M though and the P35 will probably have an X option (GTX980). I hate when temperatures are above 50C on my keyboard.

I will probably be getting one of the two. What do you guys think about the P34 and P35 in general?

In Link: " GIGABYTE_PL:Hello Legojs, the Skylake P34W series will be out by the end of Nov 2015"
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabytega...ylake_gigabyte_laptop_especially_p34w_series/

 

I'm waiting for the x7 for sure.. But with skylake you shouldn't have any throttling at all. It runs on average 10 degree's Celsius cooler than haswell and broadwell. And hopefully they improved cooling some to drop temps a few more.

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Wut? Srs? Do you have a source on that?

 

How warm a computer runs depends on both the processor and the cooling system. One can't talk temperature differences unless given a certain cooling system and even then it's iffy.

 

Take a look at GenTech's benchmark of the MSI running skylake. We are taking temps in the 60s during a benchmark... Gaming is generally even cooler. Then when they cranked the OC to 4GHZ it ran low 80s. That's impressive for a laptop and incredible for an overclock of that caliber compared to haswell and broadwell. Yes different laptops will vary based on level of cooling... But it gives me faith for the new Aorus.

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For Skylake Intel did prioritize power consumption so it should be running colder in general... Sure hope Gigabyte will have a i7 6820HK version available at launch.

 

I would love to get a p34x with the 980m and the hk processor. I doubt it will happen though b/c of the gpu heat, I'd be willing to get the p35x if I have to.

 

The 970M is already a bit too hot for this machine. The 980M would kill it unfortunately.

 

Ehy guys, do you know if this will be "just" an hardware refresh (skylake, ddr4, ssd pcie) or there will be physical improvement such as a stronger chassis, better cooling system and a better keyboard?

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I don't want to burst your bubble, but it is highly doubtful that SkyLake could go 10C lower consistently and depending on what load/stress it is under. it could be lower but I don't it reaches 10C. possibility is most likely 3-4C down. considering the architectural and design difference over the Haswell and Broadwell isn't exactly that too far different. I doubt it would reach 10C unless there is some massive throttling or auto-power management involved. Gaming could possibly run cooler but not without any downside on performance or downgrade on GPU architecture and features.

the Skylake model that I saw for example has less VRAM compared to it's Broadwell counterparts. point is, more VRAM generates more voltage, heat for more load capacity. I have yet to see a Skylake system that has a similar GPU spec to that of a Broadwell. unless the Skylake cpu is doing sort of a GPGPU instruction which I doubt that it could be doing.

 

build quality in my opinion would remain the same. the point being is that Skylake was made inorder to build smaller and lighter machines. considering cooling, ventilation and materials won't be as elaborate or too stacked to maintain system stability.

 

I have just seen this video
C505 of xmg is based on the p35w gigabyte chassis (practically a sort of rebrand).
What do you think about? Faulty laptop or a serious problem of the whole serie?

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Wow . Gigabyte is know for shotty build quality with the p series, but I've never seen anything like that. It's almost like they made the chassis out of cardboard.

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So, what do you mean about "bad build quality"? In Italy gigabyte models aren't sold so I don't know pratically anything about, on the web there are few informations about the p35 series but nothing very exhaustive.
Can you do some examples?

In other words, we are talking about bad quality compared to the best laptops in this price range or a really bad build quality?

Thanks a lot

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Similar to the problems I experienced with the P34W V3. The reasons why this happens is partly because of the plastic keyboard tray to save costs of making multiple versions of the frame for each keyboard layout for different countries. Another problem is that the aluminum is very thin on this machine and there is no real frame underneath. On the p34W it is not as severe because the smaller footprint. On the P35W it is worse because it is larger but also the cutout for the optical drive makes the frame very weak. They should remove the optical drive, built in better cooling and battery. After this the frame would already be more durable. But it really needs a stronger frame inside. Now it is just a plastic layer with screw holes for the bottom panel which is of thin plastic as well.

edit: its too bad though, i loved the gigabyte brand, owned 8 mothersboards from them the past 8 years and they were all outstanding. They graphics cards are solid too. So its sad to see this might hurt their brand.

 

I would say it's bad build quality compared to any other laptop above $1000. On my unit alone, the track pad buttons are bent, the thermal paste job was a huge mess, and the display has a 1 inch patch of dead pixels. I've seen multiple reports of the video card failing. One guy on this forum even sent his in for repair like 3 times only for his video card to fail every time. Luckily, I haven't had any hardware issues.

It just seems like their main focus is the Aorus line and they pop the p laptops out to make a few extra bucks on the side.

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So if I carry the laptop to university something about 3-4 time a week, I am practically sure that I'll see my laptop bent, right?

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mine did, and i was carrying it in a padded crumpler laptop messenger back everyday and once a week I had to bent the laptop back to its original position or else it would wiggle on my table.

 

Pre-order from gentechpc:

http://www.gentechpc.com/system_dept.asp?dept_id=SD-042

 

Gigabyte.com has now an official page about the P34W v5 :
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5708#kf

 

and again the same chassis. They should design a new more durable chassis.

 

I'm not so sure it is. Gentech shows that it's a half pound heavier. There's no way that weight came from switching to a m.2 ssd.

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Is there a possibility of a new non-bending chassis?

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I do agree. personally I would say that ASUS would be the best brand as far as materials and durability are concerned, although some lemons could happen just like my unit. MSI and ACER have their share of poor materials and construct on them as well. this is my first time to get a Gigabyte unit, so the verdict is still up in the air. I would say that Gigabyte pricing could have been better or cheaper if they want to and practically speaking but they chose to keep it at the midrange level. costly but not as bad as AlienWare where you pay for the brand name.

 

The build quality of an alienware is topnotch and it runs much cooler. Ofcourse it is thicker. But it is a lot of quality while in Europe I paid less for an equally specced Alienware compared to a p34w v3. So paying for a brand name? I dont think so.

-The trackpad is much more accurate with better buttons
-Batteries are of much better quality with toshiba cells instead of cheap Simplo cells which wear out fairly quickly
-Better cooling
-One of the best keyboards on a laptop
-Screen hinges that are mounted on an magnesium frame inside of the laptop and screen itself thus making it far more resistant to damage and wear n tear.


I love the concept of the Gigabyte p34w series laptops. But the quality needs to be much better, especially for the money.

 

I dunno but Alienwares here are getting a lot of complaints. overheating issues and underperformance. true there isnt much complaint regarding the materials and build construct but the overheating and underperformance does take away that validity of paying for such premium. in comparison to ROG, Alienware is really overpriced.

 

In my area they all have the same pricing pretty much (in the same tier). So I dont know what you mean with paying a premium. They do over next day service at your home/office for one year. If your Asus ROG is broken you have to send it away for some weeks. That is already a fairly big difference imo.

I knwo Alienware catch some flack. Mostly from users that want to upgrade every part of the laptop at all costs. But according benchmarks they all perform pretty much equally with the same hardware.

But overheating? The Gigabyte is constantly overheating and thus throttling and cannot hold even the base clockspeed under load. It is really a problem which should be fixed. I tried to remedy it with a proper repaste, with undervolting etc. But I never could keep it steady above 2.6ghz on all 4 cores while also having the GPU under full load.

 

here it is over a $1,000 more for the Alienware for the same specs as that of an ROG. not sure about home service or what locations they have local support but I dont think they have it in our location. despite of that service, it would still be a lot more expensive compared to the extended warranty I paid for 4 years, so it's not really reason enough to buy one. although I must admit that I like the Alienware's presentation.

haven't experienced any throttling and overheating with the Gigabyte yet although that sounds annoying if the pasting is lousy and the paste used is not even good. I do experienced heating and fan running like crazy but I believe it has to do more with the GPU working a lot and due to the dimensions, exhaust and materials used to minimize heat. so far, Acer and MSI are the brands which I found to be consistently problematic.

 

whereas the same maker makes the alienware and the acer. the one you said was poor its made by same company in the same factory.

it is called compal. the same maker makes the dell xps and acer travelmate it is called wistron.
you are trying to associate a retail brand with the manufacture and in general the only time that happens is in a small brand like gigabyte, made in taiwant small scale.

my aorus, it doesnt bend its quite nice. its just more expensive.

Its the one that is like an alienware 15. only its way nicer....

 

I dont have a gigabyte p34 but the design of the aorus x5 is way more advanced than an alienware 15, which is a mass produced in china sort of version of the same thing.

I did have to repaste it absolutely gigabytes dont have that down. I play for hours with no heat at all though its very nice sturdy. when it was new it was totally cutting edge becusee its not mass produced it will always be a step ahead of an alienware

 

The factory doesnt matter, Apple Macbooks which are of excellent build quality are made in the same factory as some of the most budget like laptops out there. Foxcon, they create tons of stuff in all priceranges for tons of brands. The same is the case with Compal, which does use Foxcon factories by the way.

I was looking at Aorus laptops a while back but I dont like those flimsy screen lids and a lot of reviewers out there do not like it either. The design is okay but I feel the durability is compromised by its slimness. The construction is similar to the Gigabyte P34 and P35 series and there are really some quality control issues with those laptops. I had an Aorus X3 in my hands by the way and it was nowhere near the rigid build quality of my Alienware 15. The Alienware is ofcourse compromised by its sheer weight which is almost twice that of the Aorus X3. I wanted durability so I went for the Alienware.

 

no youre totally lost
compal and foxconn are competitors they are oem. they manufacture equipment.

foxconns main factory is in shenzen which is the major city near hong kong. Foxconn makes mostly other electronics, as in iphones.
but they do make ipad air. They are one of the two manufactures of the unibody type of laptop with quanta. those 2 companies make mac books.
compal makes none of them. they could have made the plastic ones in the past.

i have seen an alienware 15 and my x5 and my x5 is a huge premium above the playskool plastic alienware. its not a unibody but its mostly metal.

but keep in mind, gigabyte is a motherboard maker first. so their laptop shell business is small and new. wheras compal is a laptop shell maker on a huge scale and a motherboard maker second. compal laptops are almost always entirely plastic and often the cheapest machines by any manufacturer. but the alienware is their top model.

you can see about 20 times the overheating problems with the alienware 15 here in the forum as with the x5, but thats because its an sli design. both laptops require repasting.

all gigabytes are made in taiwan which means they are first world products where as all dells are made in china and malaysia

 

I am totally lost? a lot of the parts are marked as made by foxcon inside of the laptop. Compal designed the chassis and motherboard, it has to be manufactured too. As I said Foxcon builds all macbook models, but they also build the cheapest Chromebooks out there. You have really no clue about how the manufacturing's industry works. Funny thing is the company I work for does and I get to see a lot of the industry since I must create the marketing materials for these companies .

Aluminum doesnt matter if it is poorly used, the gigabyte p34/p35 and p37 series show that which bend for multiple users under normal circumstances and often comes bend out of the box! This is unacceptable. All Gigabyte laptops have a poor cheap plastic keyboard tray insert stuck with some adhesive and a few clips on the frame which hurts the structural integrity of the whole chassis. There are multiple videos on youtube which point out the heavy flexing lids and bezels popping out. Hardware cannucks have shown this too in their X5 video. As I said the idea behind Gigabyte laptops is good (who doesnt want that performance in such a small laptop). But it is flawed. There arent overheating problems with the Alienware 15 but some find it running hot due to the low fanspeeds being used, that is not overheating. The fans only kick in after the components reach 70c. Under load everything stays well below 80c! While all Gigabyte's run over 90c under load!, this is a huge difference. Also there tend to be more issues if they sell a lot more laptops thus a larger user base.

The Alienware 15 has a a thick aluminum screenlid by the way which does not flex unless you really try to break it, the frame inside is made from metal on which the hinges are also mounted, instead of a plastic frame . The keyboard has a metal base. All parts used are quality, a really good trackpad compared to an average one, Toshiba battery pack compared to cheap Simplo ones, a keyboard which doesnt feel like the keys are made out of 0.5mm thick plastic. So how is a plastic frame with some aluminum pieces glued on is better with the Aorus which only has a thin aluminum lid and palm rest with a plastic keyboard tray and keyboard frame?

Like I said the Alienware 15 has one big compromise though its thick and heavy, but low quality? Nope it really isnt. The Aorus series have a great concept but there should use some better components and reinforce the screen lid and use a much stronger adhesive. Most importantly they need better quality control. If it would improve I would buy it because I rather carry 2kg than 3kg ofcourse. ALso customer support has to improve.


This Aorus X7 has the exact same keyboard problem I had with my Gigabyte


The Flex with the X3 which I also noticed while shopping for one