Gigabyte P35g V2 News

Hello,

I believe the Gigabyte P35g V2 deserves a dedicated thread. I see there is already a thread for the P34G V2, but I think the P35G V2 model appeals to a different consumer looking for a larger screen and more flexible storage options.


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GIGABYTE Debuts New Gaming Laptops with NVIDIA GTX 800M Series Graphics

 

I am looking for a laptop that I can use for creating virtual lab environments, development, and gaming.

(I understand it is typically more cost effective to build a desktop for gaming and to purchase an ultrabook for traveling needs, but due to a number of reasons this is not a good solution for me.)

Given the above use cases, I am looking for a laptop with the following:

OS Compatibility
Linux, Windows 8.1
Size/Weight
<~5lbs and <1" thick
Processor
i7 Quad Core CPU (4702 would be ideal for the lower TDP, but 4700HQ is also OK)
RAM
Minimum 16GB DDR3
Display
15"-16"
Resolution of either 1920*1080 or 3840*2160
(3840*2160 is only acceptable as it will scale nicely to 1920*1080. I don't want to deal with high DPI issues within Linux / Windows)
Touchscreen preferred but not required
>70% NTSC Color Gamut Preferred
IPS or AHVA Panel Type Preferred
Storage
Minimum of 2 user replaceable non-proprietary drives. I intend to house large capacity SSDs (either mSATA and/or 2.5" are fine)
GPU
Nvidia Maxwell Architecture 850M/860M (Targeting Maxwell given the portability/cooling/battery life/dx12 support/long-term driver support/performance implications)
Connectivity/IO Ports
Full-Size Gigabit Ethernet Port (No dongle)
Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 w/ Bluetooth 4.0
VGA (Required if no DisplayPort)
DisplayPort (Required if no VGA)
HDMI
SD Card Reader
Minimum of 2 USB 3.0 ports.
Build Quality
Solid keyboard with good key travel
Low fan noise ('Nice to have', I understand that when gaming the fan noise will be significantly higher, particularly in smaller systems)
Aluminum chassis ('Nice to have')
>=60Wh Battery
Dual-Fan cooling, preferably with rear exhaust
Budget
~$1,600-$2,000 for the laptop. An additional ~$1400 for SSD upgrades.
Purchase Timeline
Before July, can be stretched if a good option presents itself.

Given what I am looking for, It looks like the Gigabyte p35g v2 could fit the bill nicely. I have concerns regarding the fan noise based on reviews of the previous model (p35k), but that was also with a 765m with a higher TDP than the Maxwell 860m. Unfortunately I do not know if the P35G V2 will be using a kepler or maxwell based 860m. I'm hoping the P35G V2 is a Maxwell based system like the 14" P34G V2. Given the fact that Gigabyte is releasing a similiar model with a 870m Kepler based GPU in the same chassis (P35W V2), I am concerned that the p35g v2 will use a kepler architecture MXM 860m in order to reduce manufacturing costs by using a common mainboard between the two models.

Any other recommendations out there for me?

I'm avoiding the Lenovo y50 due to the security concerns surrounding Lenovo hardware and I have ruled out the the MSI GS60 as it is using a Kepler based 860m. The MSI Apache systems are a bit larger than I would like and use a single fan for cooling.

Any news regarding this laptop model or systems meeting the requirements outlined above are welcomed. I am going to keep an eye on the Asus Zenbook NX500 and see what that looks like when it is released in April.

Long post - I know. Thank you for bearing with me!


Edit:
I was avoiding the Lenovo as there have been rumors of hardware-level security issues, but it appears they may have been false.


Report of issues:
Spy agencies ban Lenovo PCs on security concerns

Lenovo refuting claim:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...HQ5ldK5XlFPwPpG-05jCoXw&bvm=bv.63934634,d.cWc

Australia Department Of Defence Claiming the Report Was Factually Incorrect:
Defence News and Media » Media articles in The Australian Financial Review, 27 and 29 July 2013

CIO Article regarding the FUD
False Lenovo Security Report Only Strengthens World's Top PC Maker - CIO.com
IT Business Edge Article regarding the FUD
FUD Attack Against Lenovo May Actually Showcase Security Advantage

 

Has anyone heard of a release date or price for the p35g?

 

This maximumpc article talks about every model in the gigabyte press release regarding the new nvidia 8xx series laptops and their release dates.

The only model not called out by name is the p35g v2, but I think it may be an unintentional ommision. I believe the p35g v2 may share the release date of the p35w v2 covered in the article(late march), given the way the p35g v2 was an italicized note under the p35w v2 section within the aforementioned press release.

Gigabyte Releases Several Gaming Laptops with Nvidia GTX 800M Series Graphics | Maximum PC

 

The nvidia website says this model will have 870m which is also a keplar like the msi gs.
For a thin maxwell gpu model there is only the. 34g available now.

 

Just a heads up that Linux isn't clear of problems on the Gigabyte laptops. I have the P35K, and the elantech touchpad isn't detected when I boot into Linux. I'm assuming Gigabyte is still going with elantech touchpads. Also, sound doesn't work out of the box; I haven't had enough time to mess with alsa to get it working. The touchpad works if you restart into Linux from Windows, so it's not the end of the world, just annoying.

I used a Lenovo laptop and the keyboard was better on their models, had more feedback. But the P35K keyboard isn't bad. Regarding sound noise, I haven't gamed on this laptop yet, but the fan isn't spinning when I'm programming or other office tasks. When set on turbo (max rpm) mode, it's loud. Replacing drives is easy. Just unscrew the bottom panel and remove/install the drives normally.

The one gripe with the laptop is that the speakers are terrible. The sound is muffled partly due to the speakers placed underneath the motherboard. Just don't expect "high fidelity" sound as advertised.

There are a few minor issues, but I would still recommend the Gigabyte laptops, it meets almost all of your requirements. The P35K is a really nice system, and the refreshes are probably even better.

 

The p35w v2 is an 870m, the p35g v2 is an 860m that may be maxwell.

 

Thanks for the helpful info, particularly the Linux compatibility notes and the info about fan noise.

 

you are correct.

 

Another interesting note:

It appears that the P35G V2/P35W V2 laptops will be using a similiar (if not identical) chassis to the P35K. The P35K chassis is known to have structural issues (exacerbated by the placement of the optical drive). Gentech has a youtube video regarding it:

Gigabyte P35K weak spot test 2 - YouTube

I might just have to go with the P34G V2 as a backup option. I really want a 15.6" screen and I was looking forward to having room for a 3rd drive, but if the chassis isn't strong enough it can cause lots of issues, particularly when the stress point is in the front of the laptop.

 

I have a P35K from GenTechPC and have no structural issues. GenTechPC will check the chassis before they ship it to you. I can pick it up with one hand without any issue.

 

I got the P35K from XoticPC and can confirm there are no structural issues. The structural issues existed only on the first batch of the P35K shipments. I believe Gigabyte addressed the issues with structure improvements. I took my laptop on 2 flights, sitting under considerable weight from books, and the chassis did not bend at all.

 

What? The P35G v2 will have an 860M maxwell, confirmed by Gigabytes own website...

 

Definitely interested in this model. Was going to consider the P15F v2, but the LCD isn't IPS and it weighs more.

 

Where does it confirm this?

 

P35k owners: thank you for the feedback. It was my understanding that gigabyte only addressed the bending issue by modifying the packaging to prevent the laptop from bending during shipping. It sounds like you are happy with the rigidity of the chassis overall. I have also seen reports of the laptop flexing during heavy typing, would you be willing to share your thoughts on that/the overall build quality of the laptop?

Thanks!

 

When is this laptop coming out ? I cannot find any place that sells it :'(

Currently, I am looking at the MSI GS70 Stealth Pro, but i want the MSI Ghost because its a 15 inch screen.
the only downside it the 15 inch does not come with 870M, it only comes 860M.

This looks like a real powerhouse with 16GB RAM, and 870M 6GB VRAM.

 

The model you are referring to is the P35W V2 (870m), not the P35G V2 (860m). The maximumpc article earlier in the thread said late march for that model. I think it probably has slid to mid-April though (along with the other 800m series models Gigabyte is releasing).

Additionally, there are some rumors regarding the MSI GS60 Ghost model you referenced. A new MSI GS60 model may be released later this year with a 3k screen and an 870m GPU. No idea on when it will be available, but given that we know the chassis was built to cool Kepler components (The 860m in the GS60 is a Kepler based model) I think the odds are pretty good. Just expect fan noise, and lots of it. The 870m MXM GPU is based on the Kepler architecture and has a TDP of 100Watts.

 

The keyboard flex isn't that bad, I don't notice it during long typing sessions. If you push *really* hard right down the center of the keyboard, you will notice the flex, but it takes more force delivered by normal keystrokes.
I am very satisfied with the build quality. The quality justifies the high cost of the laptop. The only disappointment is that the bottom of the chassis is plastic, not aluminum. The chassis bends slightly when I lift a corner of the laptop, but I'm not worried by it.

 

Nvidia.com

 

Since the 860M with the P34 is confirmed Maxwell, isn't the P35G using the same one too? They're both 4GB compared to the Kepler 2GB of the MSI GS60.

 

I am hopeful that is the case, but where the GPU is the only difference between the p35g v2 and the p35w v2 it makes me wonder if they are using the same main board and mxm cards for the different GPUs. Maxwell is not available in a mxm card. The p35w v2 has a Kepler 870m.

So it boils down to the question of whether or not gigabyte is using a common board with mxm cards or two distinct boards with soldered GPUs.

 

Isn't the P35W designed with more power in mind? The GTX 850M and GTX 860M are lighter so they're maxwell-based. Meanwhile, GTX 870M and GTX 880M are Kepler based.

Gaming, laptop battery life improve with Nvidia's new mobile GPUs - Computerworld

 

Nvidia makes both a Kepler based and a Maxwell based 860M (it would have been nice if they used different designations, but they didn't). Personally, I will only buy a laptop using the Maxwell based 860M. I don't want the heat/power draw of the 870M. The P35W V2 with the Kepler 870M does not strike the right balance for me.

Given that the only difference between the P35G V2 and the P35W V2 is that the former uses a 860m and the latter has a 870m, it is reasonable to expect that Gigabyte used 860M/870M MXM cards in order to allow them to use a common mainboard between the two models to reduce manufacturing costs. Unfortunately, 860/870 MXM cards are only available for Kepler based GPU variants at this time.

I am holding out hope that Gigabyte will use a soldered Maxwell 860M in the P35G V2 because I prefer the 15.6" IPS display, 75Wh battery, keyboard with numpad, and quadruple-storage system of the P35G V2 vs. the P34G V2's 14" AHVA display, double-storage system, keyboard without a numpad, and 47Wh battery. I also like that Gigabyte is using 4GB of GDDR5 as oppose to the standard 2GB in both the P34G V2 and P35G V2 models as I believe it will help performance when running games utilizing large textures. (EX: Titanfall only recommends using their largest textures with GPUs that have at least 3GB of RAM)

If the Gigabyte P35G V2's 860M is verified to be the Maxwell variant, it will likely be my next laptop.

 

Okay, I emailed Gigabyte to see what they have to say. They were surprisingly quick with a response.




Are shaders related to core? Because if so, it would match up with this:

AnandTech | NVIDIA

 

Hello,

Unfortunately, the screenshot says the test was for the "p34g v2" (which has been verified as a maxwell already on another thread). I am looking for info as to whether or not the "p3 5g V2" is using a Maxwell based GPU.

Gigabyte really needs to lay off the similar names... I mean c'mon P34G V2, P35G V2, P35W V2?

As to the shader count, yes 640 shaders would confirm the Maxwell core (wish this screenshot was for the p35G V2), as would the GM107 GPU type (Kepler chip names begin with GK)

 

I guess Gigabyte doesn't really know either...

 

The question is "When?". They said it will be available late march but it's April already .....

 

I have heard unofficially to expect it around the end of April in the U.S.

 

Umm, I think Gigabyte may have just updated their P35G V2 site. There is a 360 view thing I don't remember seeing, but more interestingly it appears a mini displayport connector has been added to the config now as well. I hope this thing is Maxwell. *Fingers crossed*

 

The P35W V2 page was updated and the marketing spiel shows a 178 degree viewing angle IPS with up to 72% NTSC color gamut display. I am hopeful that the P35G V2 will share the same display options as the P35W V2. I think the P35G V2 will be released after the P35W V2 though since it appears Gigabyte updates the marketing page with an ad photo spread before release and they haven't put this on the P35G V2 page yet.

 

Don't really know if this hasn't been noticed yet, but I am quite surprised and exited about Gigabyte's statement on the P35W v2 site, where the GTX 870m is described as MAXWELL.
Unfortunately this not automatically means, that the P35G v2 will be Maxwell, too, because the 860m Kepler has a low enough TDP to be cooled in slim notebooks, like we see at MSI GS60.

But wouldn't be a P35W v2 with Maxwell a very exciting alternative?? I'm quite afraid of the prices, though...

 

I don't see this anywhere on Gigabyte's site. Can you provide a link? Nvidia's documentation doesn't list any maxwell based cards above the 860m either.

 

Oh man, please don't consider me as idiot, but Gigabyte has changed its text on its website. No kidding...

I posted this same information with the orignal text copied & pasted from the gigabyte website yesterday on the thread "New details about Nvidia's Maxwell", too. And the other guys were quite doubtful about the statement, because some of the data didn't match with their statement about the 870m being Maxwell.

So here is the link to my post, i wrote yesterday on the other thread with the original statement from the gigabyte website (i just copied & pasted it from their homepage)

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...4-new-details-about-nvidia-s-maxwell-169.html Post #1689

So, Gigabyte has definitely changed their statement which leads to the conclusion, that we probably don't can expect Maxwell in the P35W v2.
Sorry, guys, for the confusion...

 

Hello guys,

- How much do you think the price of the P34G and P35G would increase with the "v2" versions of each ?
- By the way i am surprised a P35G even existed as i can't find it anyhere. Is the "v2" version actually the *first* version ?

Kind Regards,

 

Well, they added a marketing infographic to the P35G V2 page... it states that they are using a 860m with 1152 CUDA cores - a.k.a. Kepler. The Gigabyte P35G V2 is officially dead to me. I'm sure forum rules prohibit the use of expletives, so I'm going to ask you all to use your imagination.

Excerpt From Marketing Infographic
"NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 860M, featuring 1152 CUDA cores, brings more than 27% performance improvement, P5267 in 3DMARK 11, to its predecessor."

 

The Gigabyte P35k was the predecessor really, they just changed their whole line to have a v2. The only one with a maxwell is the P34g v2.

 

Wow that's disappointing. No clue what laptop I should go with now that's light and has a maxwell Nvidia card.

 

Right !
So thanks for your answer and the post just before that. The P35G is now officially dead to me too and i'll be waiting the p34g with both excitment and anxiousness. Let's hope the prices do not rise to much.

 

Agreed, best option appears to be the Gigabyte P34G for a thin/light Maxwell 860m right now. I think the Blade Pro 17" model is Maxwell, but 17" is too big for me. The MSI GE60 is a maxwell, but I don't consider it thin/light and there are other things that bother me about it.

 

There is also the lenovo y50 and possibly the y40 (early info pointed to Radeon graphics but that might have changed).

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Seems so, but I would rather a 15.6 screen and an optical drive too. The P15 V2 would be perfect for me if it were around 5 lbs much like the P35 models. I don't know the best graphic cards, but having a decent one (that's also maxwell for power and cooling efficiency) would benice.

 

Why do you all bother that much about it ?
As per my understanding the one thing overheating in laptops is the CPU, not the GPU. So the GPU being Kepler or Maxwell shouldn't really matter... I think ?

The only reason you would bother about it is, if and only if, you're plannign on using the GTX 860m on battery which to me sems like it would still be a very marginal difference in gaming time.

 

What about the Clevo w230ss? It's Maxwell, cheap and way more customisable

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A lot of good notebooks nowadays use two heatpipes that connect the CPU and GPU, with two fans to cool both of them together. Maxwell has half the heat output of kepler, that means less load on the cooling system and maybe less throttling of the CPU as well? At least that's my theory, and why I'm getting a maxwell!

 

I appreciate the feedback, but 14" is the smallest I would go. I would much rather have a 15.6"

 

Then you have the clevo w355ss. Or with the money you save by buying the 230ss you can get an external monitor

 

Gaming Performance:
Yes Maxwell and Kepler are close, though some titles will be faster on one or the other depending on how they are designed.

Power Efficiency:
Maxwell blows away Kepler from an efficiency standpoint - which means it uses less power and generates less heat. Heat can lead to fan noise, shortened internal component life (I'm looking at you battery), etc...

Architecture Improvements:
3dmark 11 does not tell the whole story. It is a benchmark that gives you a general idea for games. For example, did you know the hardware video encoding/decoding engine has been significantly updated and is multiple times faster than the kepler equivalent? If you plan on doing video editing you would be much better served with Maxwell. Also, the Maxwell GPU provides better CUDA performance and supports CUDA Compute Capability 5.0 compared to 3.5 for the Kepler part. So if you are using/developing applications that can take advantage of CUDA the Maxwell part will be faster. There are more differences, but you get the idea - GPUs can impact things aside from gaming performance.

Driver Optimizations:
The Kepler architecture has been around for something like 3 generations now. Driver optimizations for the kepler card will exhibit minimal performance growth over the life of the card. Maxwell is a brand new architecture, and I expect that as drivers are refined there will be larger performance gains when compared to the Kepler part. Additionally, do you think Nvidia is going to focus more resources on refining drivers for a card based on their new architecture, or a legacy architecture that is being phased out?

 

The Clevo w3255ss is close to 6 lb. I want something closer to 5 lb.

 

So Guys is it sure that p35gv2 will have 860M Kepler architecture and not Maxwell?


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