***Gigabyte P35X owner's lounge***

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I had CPUz and GPUz on while play Witcher 2, did not have stutter. Witcher 2 on ultra is about 35 fps min during gameplay, goes down as low as 20 fps during cutscenes.

Regards

 

That seems lower than some of the other statistics I heard, are you using 16x aa or something else that is usually not used?

 

I bet he's got ubersampling enabled!

 

Yes I did. I have everything at highest setting except VSync.
This is without repasting, sit on a book, adaptive/balance power setting. If I can test out the worst results, then it's only going to get better and better.

Regards

Edit:
Dug out my old razer orochi and used in bluetooth mode along with bluetooth headphone to watch youtube and local video at same time, no stuttering or lagging; not stuttering during gaming either.

Assassin's Creed 3 and Starcraft 2 - Heart of Swarm always above 60 fps (unsure about the scenarios with lots of units in same screen), Strike Suit Zero Director's Cut running at stable 50 fps, not sure if there is framerate cap in game.

Something worth to note is that during short sessions of gaming, temperatures climb up very fast, but only in the region between the exhaust vents, incidentally (not really) where the CPU and GPU are, other areas, especially the palm rest, stayed cool like nothing happened.

Will need to wait few more days before I can do long sessions (4+ hrs) of gaming to test the insulation and the cooling capability.

 

Spent 3 to 4 hours of solid gaming tonight, p35x hooked up to plasma via hdmi running at 1080p. Fired up assassins creed unity which has taken a severe beating over recent days due to the botched launch, extreme system requirements and shady review-stalling practices. I wanted to know how the laptop handled the game, even though it has only received a couple of patches with some performance optimisation yet to come. I set the visuals to ultra, but AA to fxaa (think that's it, the fast one/cheap one). Hooked up a PS3 controller via Bluetooth, and away we went. Sound was 5.1 through an amp, the fan noise from the laptop did not distract. Visuals on that game are stunning. Framerate was very playable: no doubts less than 60, but again not choppy enough to detract from the game. I had really low expectations, but was more than pleasantly surprised by how well it handled the game. And the game itself was fun too, with no problems during the session.

I guess what I am saying in a roundabout way is that I think this machine is a beast given the form factor and its ability to handle titles like this. Not had it long, but I like it a lot.

 

Can anyone with the 3K display confirm whether the P35X has a pentile display or does it use a normal RGB stripe?

 

Great to hear, also interested to know what the VRAM usage is like for this game when you have 8GB VRAM.

And if you happen to have any other games that eat VRAM like this (Lords of the Fallen, COD Advanced Warfare, Shadow of Mordor, Wolfenstein New Order, DA Inquisition, Skyrim or GTA4 with ultra high res texture mods, etc.), would be helpful to know if the 8GB VRAM helps reduce stuttering/hitching issues compared to cards with less graphics memory.

 

How can we tell? The pixels are damn tiny so I can't really see individual ones. Is there some other trick or way to tell?

 

Does anyone have any information other than "soon" for when Newegg is getting this laptop?

 

Hahaha

I guess I'll take that as a no?

 

Has anybody found a place to buy a spare ac adapter? I had one on hand that works, but its larger than the original and I haven't had any luck on ebay or amazon. I haven't called gigabyte but I guess that's the next step unless someone has another option.

 

Hello guys, glad to post my first message there! I have been living reading this thread for since cakefish's review...

At this point I am wondering about some points:

From what I read here or in the P650sx forums, the Iris Pro Intel processors have non optimized thermals in regard of the 4710hq. Does anybody has his or her hands on a p35x with this 4710hq, to test the thermals more thoroughly than the available reviews? I wonder if we can with a good repaste and underfoot, plus eventually a laptop cooler get this configuration not to throttle?

Moreover, what are you owners have as average battery life with your cf1s? How much gain do you think a FHD screen would bring in autonomy? According to notebookcheck, the idle consumption is around 21.4, which should mainly be caused by the 3k...

Another thing, any news concerning the power throttling evocated at the beginning of the topic? Do we know if the Power brick will be enough for standard use, or even light oc ?

Thank you for the informations you are sharing here this forum is awesome, I hope to contribute soon!

 

Sounds like a hardware fault to me. Reliability appears to be a bit of an issue with this model!

 

Hi, I don't own this laptop but I've been reading with interest here. The 4710HQ has a full core turbo of 3.5Ghz I believe, unfortunately 3.5GHz is not sustainable on this laptop when gaming when talking about the 4860HQ, so I don't see that being different from the 4710HQ - so it won't run at full turbo when gaming. GPU performance looks good with no throttling below max turbo from what people have presented - temperatures are OK but borderline here - as in just under 90 degC on long gaming sessions. There's not been much work done here to test OC temperatures & corresponding turbo boost stability during gaming sessions - I'm hoping Mr Najsman (name probably wrong!) will do some testing on this when he's got his keyboard to work again! The power brick would be very borderline with an OC on the 980M - really need someone with a simple KillaWatt meter to test how much current is being drawn from the wall during both stock & 980M oc'd condition.

 

The hardware ID from device manager says "MEI96A2", if that helps.

 

More testing:
On battery: Darksiders 2 play at 30 fps, Tomb Raider at 20 fps.

Tomb Raider benchmark on Battery: min 11.5, max 26.4, ave 19.3
Tomb Raidet benchmark plugged in: min 24, max 48.5, ave 34.8

Witcher 2 played at 80 fps without uber-sampling, pluged in.

Fans only ramp up when pluged in.

I think that's the games I'm willing to test without paying too much more efforts. Now I'll try to run 3DMark. Laptop no longer freeze when switch tab in the latest version of GPU-z.

Regards

 

I think you're right about the full turbo not being sustainable, certainly on the 4860hq with no modifications, anyway. With stock settings, and manufacturer cooling paste, no cooling pad, power setting on performance, no under-volting, fans on auto-low, XTU logged the following stats, which nicely shows the thermal throttling occurring when the CPU temp ramps up. The graph also shows the CPU clock speed over time, which seemed to be max @ 3.5 GHz, but dipped as the throttling kicked in. For the test I used assassins creed unity on ultra and ran through a level (statue of liberty). Surprisingly it didn't hammer the CPU as much as I thought it would, but throttling still occurred. That said, from a playability point of view, it was great!



I've now got some coollabs liquid ultra thermal paste (metal, conductive, attacks aluminium). Contemplating using this to repaste. Fairly sure the heatsink is copper (from the photos I've seen) so I don't think there should be any problems using this (but please tell me if I'm wrong!).

 

Only have the basic version, here are my results with laptop pluged in:

3DMark06:


Firestrike:


Fire Strike got a higher score when run individually than as a part of the benchmark (8106).

Sky Diver:


Cloud Gate:


Ice Storm:





Regards

 

I turned it off and left it alone for two hours, powering it backup the keyboard was back to normal. Working still today. Don´t know what that was, mildly concerning.

Regarding my gpu clock speed at 1200 MHz I found the culprit. The log viewer I use has two options for GPU core Clock in the drop-down, one is supposed to be the integrated and one for the dedicated. Turns out both options pull the numbers for the iGPU. The correct numbers are still embedded in the csv but I can´t find a way to plot them as half of the cells are preceded by a " ' ", suggestions are welcome. I will logg with gpu-z as well from now on.

Looking at the numbers though I can give you this rough estimate:

Shadow of Mordor 1080 Ultra: Constant 1126 MHz
Shadow of Mordor 3K Medium: Fluctuating 1088-1126 MHz
Shadow of Mordor 3K High: Fluctuating 1101-1126 MHz
Shadow of Mordor 3K Ultra: Fluctuating 1101-1126 MHz

PS2 1080 Ultra: Constant 1126 MHz
PS2 3K Medium: Constant 1126 MHz
PS2 3K High: Fluctuating 1038-1126 MHz
PS2 3K Ultra: Fluctuating 1038-1126 MHz


I plan to test oc of the 980M. But I can´t meassure Power draw, if there´s stuttering how will I know if it´s thermal throttling of the cpu or too high Power draw?


I did another test last night with capped cpu: Planetside 2, 3K, High preset, Shadows medium, Flora medium, Ambient Occlusion Off, CPU capped at 3.0 GHz.
Looking at the overlay cpu speed didn´t seem to budge from 3 GHz but Hwinfo reports throttling. It wasn´t buttersmooth but only mild stuttering occasionally, avg fps 47. Here are the numbers, video below:


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It's supposed to be good stuff, but I don't have any personal experience with that liquid metal type paste - I do know it's risky in as much that if you mess up the application you end up with loads of miniscule hard to see conductive/damaging balls of paste floating around your motherboard! I personally wouldn't bother using it unless you're confident about the whole thing, Gelid Extreme gets good reviews.

 

You probably saw a better result running Firestrike as a standalone benchmark (rather than with all the other tests together), because there would have been less heat buildup & less chance for the CPU/GPU to throttle.

 

CPU throttles at 90degC, so by monitoring that you will know if any throttling is due to temperatures or power restrictions. Will be interesting to see the OC results you get.

 

Apparently P35 use GPT format instead of MBR, so I'm now reformat my old SSD and reinstall Win 8.1, and later on, restore from backups in the external HDD...so much work.

Regards

 

How are you making these graphs? Always curious but never asked.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

 

Generic Log Viewer written for Hwinfo: LogViewer for HWINFO is available !
It can load logfiles from Hwinfo, Gpu-z and Aida64 (haven´t tried Aida). If you have Fraps running before you open Hwinfo there will be an option for fps as well.


OC-time! I used MSI Afterburner to Clock the gpu +135 MHz and +500 MHz (well 499). This is the gpu-z shot:

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Core Went to 1173 MHz with boost to 1262 MHz and memory to 1502, which I gather means 6000 MHz.


OC-test 1: Shadow of Mordor

I´ll state right now I probably found a sweet-spot for Shadow of Mordor on this machine (without repaste or undervolt). CPU capped at 3 GHz and GPU overclocked provided a very pleasant experience on 3K High.
The cpu throttles quite abit but it felt very smooth the whole session.
The gpu rarely reaches boost speed, it hovers around 1150-1200 MHz. Max temp 84-85.
With an avg fps of 53 it´s way ahead of my last 3K High test with an avg fps of 37. And most importantly, it felt very smooth.


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OC-test 2: Planetside 2

What to say about PS2? It´s still a cpu-hogger. For this test i used the preset 3K Medium but bumped Graphics and Textures to High.
The cpu, capped at 3 GHz, throttles alot and even though the framerate is reasonably high there´s a slight stutter. 96+ friendlies is smooth but when the fighting starts there´s a small but noticeable decrease in smoothness.
The gpu manages to hold boost-speed most of the time, max temp 85-86. Allthough it´s a little dissapointing having to cope with small stutters it`s nice to see the gpu being able to hold 1262 MHz most of the time.
Avg fps 51 but as stated not always silky smooth.


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Thanks for your valuable work, Najsman. Absolute gold.

That's a seriously impressive GPU OC performance. Very impressed with how the P35X can adequately handle a 980m. Shame the CPU part of things isn't as up to scratch.

Seems the P35X might just be good enough to be able to sustain consistent 1080p gaming (with some assistance such as repasting and turbo capping). Looking forward to your verdict.

 

That's some good stuff Mr Najsman! It looked like my 3Ghz suggestion on the CPU helped out quite a bit for the Shadow of Morder title, for Planetside you might find that capping it even lower (maybe 2.7Ghz) would give even better results on that one. The GPU overclock was impressive, but what's the GPU load during those tests? Given that you saw a big performance improvement in Shadow of Morder by capping the CPU to 3Ghz (preventing the throttling that you had before) makes me think that you're possibly CPU limited in that title (& probably Planetside 2), which makes me think GPU usage was quite low. The real test of the GPU overclock is where you keep the GPU load at a constant 100% load, which is where it will show if there are any limitations regarding the overclock in terms of temperatures/power/throttling of the GPU. Heaven Benchmark left running for 20mins would be good for this testing.

 

Whoever was looking for a power cord, I found this, not sure if its legit.

Amazon.com: UpBright® NEW AC / DC Adapter For Gigabyte P35X P35Xv3 Series P35Xv3-CF2 P35X v3-CF2 P35Xv3-CF4 P35X v3-CF4 15.6" Ultrablade Gaming Laptop Notebook PC Power Supply Cord Cable PS Charger Mains PSU: Electronics

 

That was me, thanks but that looks like a standard adapter that will work on many laptops. What I want is the actual gigabyte one. It's thinner and I'm guessing better designed than the standard ones. I can't tell you how many of the knockoff ones I've had fail over the years, and I don't think I've ever had an OEM one fail so that says something.

Here is another one I found on amazon that should work but it looks like just a standard non-gigabyte one.

Amazon.com: Bundle 3 items: 180W Gigabyte ADP-180MB H 19.5V 9.23A includes: AC Adapter/Battery Charger/Power Supply + Power Cord/Cable + LED Key-Ring: Computers & Accessories

 

Well xotic pc has the opotion to add an extra power cord, maybe you could ask them where they get it/if they would sell you one?

 

Here's amother review:

Benchmarks and Conclusion : Gigabyte P35X v3: Third time's the charm - HardwareZone.com.my

Basically, they liked it but thought it was a) expensive and b) to plain. In my opinion, and in many others, their second con is a pro, so that's more subjective.

It doesn't seem to be a very good site, not testing Temps or anything that this laptop has been getting critisism for.

 

I don't understand the expensive part: laptop with same/similar hardwares from other brands (MSI, ASUS) cost more, especially with 980m models.
Although P35 does feel a little delicate (because it's so thin!) Compare to the others (least twice as thick).

Regards

 

More keyboard problems. Same as before where the same 10 keys wont work or space or enter. This time its mixed with 3 letters being constantly pressed/activated.
Ive tried booting plugged in and unplugged both with no periferals connected.

 

Sounds like a hardware problem, have you tried re-seating the keyboard cable connector?

 

I might try that. I know there are pictures here somewhere but the thread is huge. Anyone have access to, and can post, the service manual or pictures of the inside?

 

Probs not much help to you, I've just had the back off mine to re-paste. Here's the photo anyhow, although I wasn't looking for the keyboard cable:



I'll post a quick summary of my re-pasting and findings shortly.

 

OK, here's a brief summary of my tests on this machine to date. Comments welcomed!

 

You may be able to break 9K overall score if you decrease the undervolt to -50mV. Give us CPU and GPU temps with GPU overclocked.

A setting I'd like to try is 1K memory overclock...(if it doesnt artifact or crash)

 

Raising voltage doesn't increase performance unless you're raising the clocks at the same time, in fact it would lower performance when you're thermally and/or power constrained. I'm right about this aren't I, or am I missing something here? (not being rude or sarcastic, possible there's a gap in my knowledge with how the new Intel CPU's work).

 

Undervolting CPU can cause it to lose performance. I have tested values between 0 to -100mV and found -50 to be a sweet spot for increase of performance. -70 already drops by 100-250 points in Firestrike.

 

I'll try to do some more tests later when I get a moment. On the Heaven tests, tests 1 and 2 were run consecutively, likewise for 3 and 4. Therefore for test 1 and 3 the cpu was cooler at the start - and despite low cpu utilisation on average, the cpu temp gradually crept up and up (even after re-pasting). I concluded that I am still thermally constrained: tests 2 and 4 confirm this as the results are lower because the cpu starting temp was high. Therefore my theory is that reducing the undervolt would reduce the Heaven benchmark scores. However they may increase the Firestrike scores, since those tests did not max out the CPU temp, so there's still some thermal headroom there. So I think you are both right lol.

I'll repeat the tests for -50mV undervolt and see what happens. Following that I'll push my luck with the GPU memory OC, see how high it will go. May be 24 hours or so before I can post results.

 

Which means -70mV wasnt stable...

 

Hmm, I don't have any experience undervolting the new CPU's (mine is not voltage adjustable), but my understanding was that if you undervolted then that would allow more thermal & power headroom for the CPU to run at it's max boost clocks. If you lower the voltage too much then the system/program will just become unstable & crash rather than a reduced score. So, when undervolting you either get more performance (in the case of this laptop) or it crashes - one of the two. Isn't that how it works?

 

Yes.

Its not entirely unstable as it does consistently get the same score at -70mV. Just that -50mV allowed it to run a bit harder.

 

"Harder"? Clocks are Clocks right, regardless of the voltage. Maybe it's possible that when you ran it at -70mV it wasn't stable & it was creating computational errors that was slowing down the performance somehow, maybe that's what was happening (although I had always thought it would just crash rather than do that).

(Whenever I've undervolted CPUs I've always used Prime95 to check for errors before doing anything else - the test will fail if the CPU is not stable as the CPU throws out incorrect calculations when unstable - at least 2 hrs of Prime95, so I've not had experience of benching unstable CPUs in games so not aware of their behaviour in that scenario).

 

Its odd like that. When I ran at -50, clocks hit 3.49GHz. At -70, hit 3.29GHz.

 

Hmm, that's interesting, if everything else was like for like between your two tests, then maybe the CPU can detect when it's unstable and reduce it's clock accordingly. I've not heard of that though before, I have no idea how it can do that, it doesn't check itself for errors right, it's not like GDDR5 VRAM in that respect? Either way, to anyone undervolting their CPUs I'd recommend running Prime95 on them for a couple of hours to make sure no errors are being thrown out & that they are stable before doing anything like gaming - using the OS with an unstable processor could corrupt your OS eventually.

(Would be interesting to hear from any Intel CPU gurus out there that understand undervolting/overclocking behaviour of these CPUs, because there's some gaps in knowledge here.)

 

Well, that is indeed strange. Having thought about it, I was with Robbo. Clocks are clocks, and the undervolt just influences thermal headroom. I ran firestrike twice, first with -70, then with -50mV. All other settings the same...

XTU graph here showing CPU frequency staying pretty constant, anywhere from 3.45GHz to 3.51GHz, thermals didn't seem to change much with cpu maxing @ 82C on both tests.



Latest set of figures (various rows added over time)



Firestrike score went up....as did the Heaven benchmark. I confess I don't understand why....

Edit: added GPU data here, max temp 80C
Edit2: added Heaven benchmark result @-50mV
Edit3: added further results for o/c GPU, highlighted optimal so far in green