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    ***Gigabyte P35X owner's lounge***

    Discussion in 'Gigabyte and Aorus' started by Cakefish, Nov 4, 2014.

  1. moviemarketing

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    That's great to hear! If you have time, I'd be interested to know what the VRAM usage is like for 8GB card at 1080p max settings with ultra texture DLC and using the in-game DSR setting to render at 125%, 150% or 200% resolution.
     
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    Wow, I never even looked at mine, I wonder if mine is damaged too? I will have to check it out later. I never even disconnected that one, I left it plugged in the whole time and could easily see how maybe I could have pinched it or nicked it with a screw.

    Yeah I got 2 Samsung spinpoint 9.5mm drives and they worked great. I decided not to RAID them, so I could remove one if I needed to. I would prefer one less drive to deal with in windows but the downside of not being able to use it at all if I removed one outweighed my desire to simplify my drives.
     
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    Fixed it.

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    I am so frustrated trying to get the darn recovery partition to work with the new RAID setup. It boots fine into windows, and I get an error hitting F9 but at least it tries to go into recovery now (see below for previous attempt). I was able to get it to work one time by doing a repair of the MBR from booting from a windows disk in the internal optical drive bay. Then I shutdown, took out the optical drive, and re-installed a hard drive. I booted up and then F9 wasn’t working again, same error (0000225 error which I used some google results to troubleshoot it down to MBR problem which I had just resolved). Swapping the drives back appeared to bring back my issue.

    I’m afraid to screw with the boot options in order to boot off and external optical drive because my previous install was so messed up. Windows worked fine and the laptop worked fine with the following two issues. Not only did F9 not do ANYTHING, but it also would ask me to choose what drive I wanted to boot from, every single boot, no matter what settings I had in the BIOS. There aren’t that many settings and I tried every mix of options and never resolved it.
     
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    @dajohu: Why not try a USB device for booting and keep the harddrive installed?


    @Owners: So apparently...keeping backplate off works wonders on temps. -6 to -8C.
     
  6. Porter

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    See my 2nd paragraph. I was trying to avoid the mess I had the first time, I was fairly certain me changing the EUFI(sp) settings caused my boot issues. I tried going back and forth so many times to get rid of that extra step where I had to choose either to boot into windows or go into setup every single boot. It was so irritating.

    Do you know exactly what I need to change, and change back when I'm done? I had to mess with the settings to get the boot priority choices to show up. That may have even caused the recovery drive from not working, which is why I was trying to do it differently this time.
     
  7. LoneSyndal

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    I usually have UEFI disabled for everything to show. Would be a first time I heard of this issue though. Hopefully someone else more experienced with RAID settings is around.
     
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    Maybe you could link that into your hardware mods you were talking about - maybe enlarging the grills, putting in some custom meshes.
     
  9. LoneSyndal

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    I would need a backup grill first. Waiting on xotic for that one.
     
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    Ah, you got it all planned out!
     
  11. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Nope. By undervolting you're taking away the excess voltage that is doing nothing but generating more heat, so the processor will actually run better if anything. Of course just make sure you're not running too lean otherwise the chips runs out of juice and throws a blue screen.

    *cough* copyright infringement*cough* ;)

    I gotta say I didn't even know what to look for/at until you zoomed in on it. Though I understand what you mean by once you know it's there it bugs you forever.
     
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    Good to know. Can you explain a bit more about how this compares with the processors that are marketed as ultra low voltage? You can still overclock or unlock the CPU with ThrottleStop and at the same time reduce voltage for example?

    Haha yes, Cakefish if you put that sticker on, you will need to cut a monthly royalty check to n=1
     
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    Sticker looks worse than the mark!
     
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    LunaP Dame Ningen

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    OMG Cake fish you should totally take a 3rd pic from farther away, then animate them all together slowly as it zooms in w/ the action lines and the WRRYY WRYY WRYY WRYY !!! ( 1900's scary film sounds ) applied XD
     
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    So I booted up the laptop only to find that my processor frequency is capped at 1.60 GHz... Not sure what happened as no settings were changed. If anyone knows the workaround for this, that would be great. BIOS doesnt show anything I can use to fix this.

    EDIT: I know I accidentally hit hibernate one time... maybe...
     
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    Oh ok. Thanks.
    So to clarify the P35X V3 cant be upgraded because it hasnt got MXM GPUs? Does the same apply to G751?
     
  17. RMXO

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    Use this to create a UEFI bootable USB stick

    Rufus - Create bootable USB drives the easy way

    UEFI Bootable USB Flash Drive - Create in Windows

    Thats what i used to create my UEFI bootable W8.1 Pro USB

    Probably way late now but did you create a USB recovery stick before you did anything? I created one using the above method & the USB Recovery program that came with the laptop before doing a fresh install of W8.1 Pro.
     
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    Problems after another...

    CPU is acting sporadically with clocks stuck at 1.60GHz. Then the plugged in not charging issue comes back right after.

    Might be a very frustrating day.

    Update: Reflashing BIOS fixes idle clocks since a specific value was deleted after some tests. Not sure why battery is dying again, so Ill have to check that damned cable.

    Update2: Battery nocharge fixed itself... goddammit laptop. Now to do further undervolt testing. Firestrike is quite the test and I seem to be getting less than @Cakefish.
     
  19. Porter

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    Thanks, but I'm not having any issues making media to boot off of (I have a Win8.1 startup disk, and several USB sticks I can boot from). The issue it I cannot boot from them unless I go to legacy BIOS startup and then after that point no matter what I do, every restart and cold boot I am forced to choose what I want to boot from. After that point I can do whatevery I want with the BIOS settings but that issue never goes away. Windows works fine after I get past choosing the boot device, the bootable disks and USB work fine too. But I'm left with a system that I cannot use without having to choose a drive every single time I boot up with is super irritating.

    I have given up on the recovery drive completely now, so I plan to get things going as best I can without having to change that BIOS setting if possible.
     
  20. LoneSyndal

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    I have someone working on BIOS unlocking. Did you try reflashing bios to latest one?


    Updated intel managment engine and reran Firestrike standard without turboboost.

    Max CPU temp: 77C
    Max GPU temp: 72C

    GPU has +135MHz in nvidia inspector

    Score: 7680
     
  21. DelFang

    DelFang Notebook Evangelist

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    Would it be possible that you had another system installed on another drive that you're not aware of? Also, are there no option to exclude bootable drive in the BIOS?
     
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    Laptops that have upgradeable MXM GPU modules that I'm aware of are MSI GT72, Alienware M18 maybe M17, Eurocom and Clevo.

    Regards
     
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    So some news:

    Updated Intel Management Engine from the smartupdate, installed beta smartmanagerv3, had autohigh fans.

    Max CPU temp: 89C (for 1 sec), 87C for the rest or much less.

    Max GPU temp: 80C

    Firestrike Standard: 8250

    Default Balanced Settings while plugged in. Thermal throttling was 0%


    Edit: Oh sh**. Added +400 memory offset on GPU for 8562 score. GPU still 80C. This is great... gonna keep pushing that memory OC.

    Edit2: Gonna push for 9K

    Edit3: Dont go +800... thats when it died for me. Because of the crash, gotta do fixes again due to bsod on driver power state failure.... for the bazillionth time.
     
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    I have not tried reflashing yet, but I did flash initially to the latest which is when I started getting the "driver power state" error (that may just be chance, not related)

    I do not have any other OS installed. I have tried two sets of raid drives (separately of course, stock ones and my upgraded ones) with win 8.1 installed. One hard drive with my data/game files, and one hard drive with movies and music. Both of those drives are new and never had anything else installed on them.

    There is not way to exclude anything but that doesn't matter. There is only one drive choice on that boot menu, the second choice is to go into setup. So there is nothing to exclude anyway. I tried every type of startup repair and MBR repair I could find. I also tried messing with every setting in the BIOS and none helped (or hurt for that matter). I finally tried setting BIOS defaults and it appears to be fixed. Two clean boots without asking me. It's really weird because there just aren't very many settings to change, its not like a desktop with 50 settings that could mess something up.

    I'm crossing my fingers it is fixed, and I wont mess with anything in the BIOS at all now. I will continue to get everything installed and updated, then image the SSDs, and attempt to upgrade to my new drives again. I'm sure hoping I can do the imaging without changing BIOS settings or else I may be back to ground zero again like the previous 3 times...
     
  25. RMXO

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    I linked those links so you can create an UEFI bootable USB, without it you will have to install via Legacy mode. Are you sure your bootable USB are UEFI or just regular? There is a difference.
     
  26. LoneSyndal

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    So after lots of testing...

    Max Base GPU Clock Increase: +135 MHz
    Max "Stable" GPU Memory Clock Increase: +580 MHz
    **No GPU Voltage Edits**

    -50 mV undervolt

    Firestrike Standard Score: 8641


    Note: I'm assuming Cakefish may get a higher score with same settings. His laptop gets extra 300 points over mine, possibly a better batch of bins.
     
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    I can't run 3DMark or Unigine Heaven test. Both of them crash everytime. The only time I can get Unigine Heaven not to crash is not to run fullscreen.

    My 3DMark error:

    Do I have a bad 980m card?

    I'm going to repaste my TIM this wkend and hope it helps but what do you guys think? I already tried re-installing the latest NV drivers, 3DMArk & Unigine Heaven.

    Going to install the games I play to test out the 980m.
     
  28. LoneSyndal

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    Sounds like your card removes itself from the list. Could be driver related or card. Usually driver related in this case. Try doing a clean install using the OEM drivers from smartupdate.
     
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    Ok, I'm currently DL'n FFXIV ARR and will do what you suggested once I'm done.
     
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    Once you do clean install. Dont install new drivers. Test it first before using modified ones from laptopvideo2go
     
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    Not going to lie. Sounds like a bad card. If it only does this under load. Does it do the same under a graphics intensive game?
     
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    While Smart Update is DL the NV drivers, I just ran FFXIV ARR and no crashes. I was getting 100+ FPS @ 1920x1080, 90FPS @ 1920x1440 & 80sFPS @ 2880x1620. But my desktop looks like this after I exited out of the game.

    EDIT: Smart Update is taking forever to DL NV drivers.

    EDIT 2: After installed NV drivers from Smart Update, 3DMark still crashing with the following. Gonna redo TIM over the weekend and do further testing. Sadly,probably have to send it in for repair. What a shame, just got it too.

     

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    I have a dilemma......
    Should I wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals on P35x V3 (currently it is $2036 on xoticpc), or simply pre order it right now.....
    Can I expect better deals on black friday.....I expect this one to show up on newegg and amazon by the 23-25th....
     
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    With CyberMonday/Black Friday around the corner, I don't see XoticPC raising the price on this model like overclockersUK did. So a worst case scenario it might end up being the same price. Best case would be if they lower pricing or it ends up cheaper on newegg/amazon. Or maybe newegg amazon have some cyber monday deal including discounted SSD with your purchase, etc.
     
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    thanks...!! sounds good....have waited this long to order.....a few more days...!!
     
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    So I just reinstalled both NV and Intel GFX via Smart Update and changed desktop reso to 1080p and 3DMark runs without crashing. Going to test more tomorrow while at work. Need sleep and I know sleep is for the weak but I'm hoping sleep will bring me luck tomorrow.

    Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Well it's voltage and the TDP limit set for each chip. ULV chips suck because their TDP are hard capped at such a ridiculously low number that they simply can't turbo indefinitely without bursting their TDP cap, and so they throttle, and badly. That's called TDP throttling and it's distinct from thermal throttling.

    Same idea with full voltage chips. Your CPU will turbo for as much and as long as it can without going over the TDP limit, which is 47W for sustained continuous loads, and 57W for burst loads. Since the default voltage is universally too high, what this means is that a good 4-5W is simply wasted as heat and not being used to do any meaningful work. So first of all you'll be getting at least 5C more heat for nothing, which could be enough to cause thermal throttling especially in thin and lights where everything is pushed right to the edge. Then there's the issue of TDP throttling. Because that 4-5W is wasted as heat, the CPU may fail to sustain its max turbo clocks because to do so would require it push past the 47W limit, and instead it might run at max-100MHz for example. By trimming away that wasted 4-5W of energy, the CPU can now actually use it towards useful work instead of putting out heat. So max turbo may increase, and temperature definitely goes down.

    In order to successfully overclock a chip, you need to have access to power limit controls. This seems to depend on how laptop manufacturer implement the settings in their BIOS. Although the stock Clevo BIOS sucks, the TDP lock does seem to be disabled by default, so if I increase the power limit in XTU the setting sticks, and my 4900MQ essentially acts like an MX chip locked to a maximum of 4.2GHz on 4 cores and 4.4GHz on a single core. However it seems other manufacturers impose a hard lock, and while you can set the power limits in XTU, the BIOS only allows the chip to exceed its factory limit for a short time before reeling it right back in, so overclocking on those laptops don't tend to be too fruitful.

    Yep. :D
     
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    The CF1 model we all have will be on newegg only.
     
  39. Cakefish

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    I realise that my reviewing and general info stream has dried up these past few days and I just want to let you all know there's good reason for that (no it wasn't the microscopic chip I made, though that will forever haunt me). I've come up against several key coursework deadlines so it's pretty hectic at the moment. The good news is that I will have more time to spare after Tuesday (which conveniently is the release date of Far Cry 4! :D).
     
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    No problems there. I'll try to provide info as well. Do try the nvidia inspector settings I listed above and see what yours get. Seems your base clocks outdo mine, so you may get closer to the 9K mark than me in Firestrike standard.
     
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    Will do! I've already tested +135/+500 and, though I can't remember the specific score right now, it was... OVER 9000!!!
     
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    What other settings you have on there? Power options? Trying to figure out how you got higher score before overclock (about 300 difference)
     
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    Cakefish ¯\_(?)_/¯

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    I think I had it in balanced profile when I ran that particular overclocked run. When I get back this evening I'll run it again all on high performance mode and see what happens.

    Sent from my Nexus 5
     
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    The P35X V3 you can't upgrade, because the CPU & GPU are soldered. The G751 has MXM GPU's, so they can be upgraded, but only with Asus specific MXM's, they're a different shape. So, if you buy the G751, you probably won't be able to upgrade the GPU in it in a few years time - you'd have to buy a whole new laptop, which most people do anyway. Some Alienware, Clevo, and MSI laptops use standard MXM GPU's, and with those models it is more possible to upgrade the GPU's as the years go by - but often with workarounds like having to get rid of Optimus, modifying the heatsinks (pad placement), modifying the drivers and/or BIOS. So, for the majority of users upgrading the GPU is something that's not done. That's why I didn't have a problem recommending the Asus G751 to you.
     
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    You should be getting in the region of 9800 at stock settings for Firestrike Standard Test - talking the GPU score here. For the main score you should get about 8300. I guess you're talking about the main score? I think if you're overclocking your GPU you'd be better off comparing & giving us the value of the GPU score - it's more relevant.
     
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    Maybe try uninstalling the NVidia drivers through the Control Panel, then use DDU Uninstaller to wipe all remnants of NVidia drivers (from Guru3D website), then install the latest whql drivers from the NVidia website choosing the Clean Install option.

    (Don't know what all this Smart Manager stuff is - sounds like bloatware, I personally would uninstall all that kind of rubbish & download drivers manually from the relevant manufacturers of the components).
     
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    Graphics score is over 10K for each of my runs then. Just that cakefish still gets better results overall, which is what I want to find out.

    As for smart manager, its Gigabyte's autouodate for drivers.
     
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    I have a feeling that Cakefish has been quoting his graphics score to you, you've got a very good GPU score there! (Yep, I'd figured Smart Manager was something like that, if I had that on my laptop I'd still uninstall it & download drivers manually from the different manufacturer websites for the individual components).
     
  49. Cakefish

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    Nope, overall score was definitely >9000 & graphics score >10500 (-135/+500). I'll test again tonight for a definitive answer.

    Sent from my Nexus 5
     
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    If you or LoneSyndal can advise exactly what test/settings you want me to run on, I'll do likewise so you have another data point to compare against.
     
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