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    ***Gigabyte P34W v3 "Phantasus" owner's lounge***

    Discussion in 'Gigabyte and Aorus' started by TheNightWolf, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. Xss

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    Hello there !

    I wanted to ask you guys : did you have any issues with a recent and huuuuge windows update?
    Windows update was showing me like 30-something important updates last week, so I installed them. I didn't play much in the meantime, and noticed today that most games were horribly laggy and unplayable : Witcher 3, Shadow of Mordor, etc...Turns out the update heavily underclocked my GPU and I had no idea how to set it to its default settings...Even though, it was the default settings that seemed corrupted, by working at a lower speed: on MSI afterburner it showed me 405Mhz (base) and around 800Mhz for boost.
    Fortunately a restauration fixed everything, apparently it had something to do with DirectX (even though it didn't show up on the update list). But now I have again like 36 important windows updates showing up...and I am not touching them with a 10 foot pole.
     
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    Check your power options, make sure "PCI link management" is turned OFF under the advanced plan settings. It's off by default under "high performance" but any other plan will turn it on, causing throttling of the GPU. Also, my P34 also sometimes had problems with the GPU sticking at low clocks after resuming from standby that could only be fixed with a reboot.
     
  3. Kommando

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    Are you aware of the issues of this SSD-Series regarding performance loss during use? I'd avoid this series as much as possible...
     
  4. Xss

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    Aha! Thank you, I will definitely check that if the problem happens again. I was actually under "high performances" when my GPU was throttling, and also rebooted my laptop several times. But hopefully that's what was creating the problem: it's always good to know where those come from!
     
  5. sirleeofroy

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    This was mainly the 840 EVO series and has since been sorted with an updated firmware. I personally have an 840 series in my desktop and it's been solid and fast since the day I installed it unlike the OCZ Vector drive I had before it that lasted all of 2 weeks!
     
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    Anyone having gaming problems with the 7260 AC? Running on an external usb wireless adapter no ping problems but get intermittent (every 5ish minutes or so) lag spikes on the in built card.

    Has anyone tried installing a Killer N card or similar in this laptop? Don't really mind forking out the cash if it will give me a stable connection. Sick of missing last hits in Dota....... haha.
     
  7. sirleeofroy

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    Personally, I've not had any issues yet. That said, I've only played Battlefield 4 online and I'm pretty rusty at the moment so I do get shot a lot anyway but I've not noticed any lags/spikes.

    Have you got the updated drivers/Firmware? (outside of windows update)
     
  8. Eason

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    I had similar lag problems in Dota over WiFi, but I assumed it was my ****ty router.
     
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    Definitely not router, totally fine on my USB wifi card. I have uninstalled drivers and updated to the latest - switching the power to high under adapter settigns in device manager has helped i think a little, the the spikes are still happening.

    Very keen to install a new card if it can fix this.
     
  10. sirleeofroy

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    Found this on the Intel forum...

    7. Re: AC 7260 frequent ping spikes
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    Vigz Nov 15, 2014 12:44 AM ( in response to samthebam)


    Hello,



    After doing a bit of research, the ping spikes are caused when the wireless card scans for networks. I was actually able to reproduce the issue and can confirm this. You can do so yourself.



    Go to cmd, type ping www.google.com -t



    If you're on Windows 8 or 8.1, all you need to do is access the wireless network list by clicking on the wireless icon on the bottom right and it will automatically refresh. For those on Windows 7, click the wireless icon on the bottom right and click on the refresh button next to your connected network. As you are doing this, you'll notice that the ping counter on the command prompt will spike up. I thought it was an issue with the card as well and I was wondering about getting a replacement as well. It can be ridiculously annoying for gaming. It seems as though Windows likes to re scan for networks periodically causing random lag spikes. If there was a way to stop scanning while you're connected to a network, that would be great.



    UPDATE: Oh boy, I was able to find a solution. It involves using the Registry Editor. Be careful not to change anything else except for the things that are listed.



    1. Open Registry Editor (Windows 8/8.1, right click where Start button was, click Run, type regedit. Windows 7, click Start, click Run, type regedit)



    2. Head to 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ System\ CurrentControlSet \ Control \ Class \ {4d36e972-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318} [Be sure to expand the 4d36e.... folder]


    3. Inside will be a number of folders named 0000, 0001, 0002, etc. Look through all these folders until you get one that says Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 in the registry.


    4. Once the device has been found, search for a value called ScanWhenAssociated.


    5. If you see this value, set it to 0 on hexadecimal. If you don't see the value, click edit from the top, select new, and click DWORD (32-bit) value. Rename this value to ScanWhenAssociated (exactly as shown). Make sure this value is set to 0 on hexadecimal.


    6. Restart the computer. This is important. The changes won't take effect unless you do.


    I rebooted and tried using cmd to ping google.com. I refreshed the networks and PRESTO! There were no more lag spikes!!! Try it out yourself. I'll give this a couple more days of testing. Big thanks to Lenovo for the guide: [SOLUTION] latency spikes and network unstability ... - Lenovo Community
     
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    Awesome find, man, gj. Will try that when I get my P34 back.
     
  12. sirleeofroy

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    No worries man, I just hope it helps!
     
  13. Kommando

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    The 840 Basic, 840 and 840 Evo suffer due to this problem. And up to now there are still reports of this problem, even with the latest update. Somehow Samsung doesn't get it fixed finally. Seems to be some sort of gamble. That's why i'd avoid it. If you have one that is working, everything is ok. ;)
     
  14. Eason

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    Funny how things don't always work out the way you'd expect.
     
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    Hi, I bought the machine without the SSD as I planned to add one straight away and 128GB is too small for me! I created a recovery USB stick, installed the new SSD (850 EVO), changed the partition table to GPT as the drive was blank and booted straight from the USB stick and recovered to the new drive. Looking at the partition table it has created the recovery partition which is around the same size as the original (15-16GB) however I have not tried to create a recovery from it so I cannot 100% confirm that it has all of the data though I'm pretty sure it does given its size. In any case, I have left the recovery partition on the 1TB drive (just incase as I'm sure you can point a recovery program to the drive with the partion to create another USB) removed all other partitions and formatted the free space which I now use as storage.

    You could also remove the boot entry using MSCONFIG - http://superuser.com/questions/465047/how-to-remove-an-old-os-from-the-boot-menu

    Edit: I see you sorted it now, never mind!
     
  16. sirleeofroy

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    The SSD is m-SATA so didn't make any difference to my temps as I still have the 1TB HDD, what did make a difference though was re-pasting the CPU and GPU using Liquid Pro. Compared to the mess that was splattered in there before my temps are down around 10 degrees under load and in stealth mode, I hardly ever hear the fan come on.

    I'm really liking this laptop!
     
  17. Eason

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    Uhhh isn't liquid pro electrically conducive?
     
  18. sirleeofroy

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    It certainly is which is why you need to take a bit of extra care when using it, as long as you don't go throwing it around your components it will be fine! You only use the tiniest amount (like a tiny ball bearing) which then spreads to the edges of your cores like water meets the edge of a flat surface (if that makes any sense!).

    Another problem is if the cooling/heatpipe is Aluminium as Liquid Pro will corrode it but as ours is Copper it's fine.

    I have no problems and a decent reduction in temps whilst play BF4 for extended periods of time so its a winner for me!
     
  19. Eason

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    I've got IC7 coming in the mail, and my p34W should come back sometime soon as well. The question is, should I try to repaste again? The laptop has been repasted twice and both times, a couple days later, the GPU dissappeared and the mobo was damaged. Coincidence? Is the mobo easily broken by pressure with the screws? Should I just say **** it and never touch the laptop again and just play on my razer blade?
     
  20. Eason

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    Yeah but I don't know what you'd call dangerous temps. I mean I had profile 1 at x26 and set it to downclock to x20 at 88C CPU. This would peak my CPU temps at 91C playing Witcher 3. Definitely better than a steady 95 or whatever in gods name it runs stock before it throttles the GPU
     
  21. Eason

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    I use throttlestop, it's the only programme I know which does it automatically on temps.
     
  22. Eason

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    Let me know if you have any questions about setting up profiles. I used to have an Acer 3830TG which was like, the original throttling notebook back in the day. :D
     
  23. Eason

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    The profiles are numbered, make 1 and 2. In options, set up a profile system based on temps. Check the "NVIDIA GPU" box to allow you to set the TDP. I would recommend setting CPU to 88C and GPU TDP (100 - x) to 12. That way when either component hits 88C it will change from the primary profile to the designated one until the temperatures go back below the trigger point. I would recommend setting the multiplier for profile 1 to x26 and the profile 2 to x20.

    I also set a profile 3 to be active on battery, where I turn on power saver (auto downclocks to 800 MHz unless CPU is active) and cap the clocks at x20.
     
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    Looks like Gigabyte swapped out the Mobo a second time. Great support. But if this laptop dies again it will be the last gigabyte product I ever buy.

    "We did test and found BSOD and GPU did not detect, we swap a new MB.

    Burning test for 2 days after swap MB, now everything is fine."
     
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    It's always a luck of the draw with electronics, new or used. Gigabyte generally makes good quality products.

    Good to see they figured out the issue and took care of you.
     
  26. rinneh

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    It happens too much. Gigabyte might be one of the top motherboard manufacturers out there for example. Their laptops have a lot but really a lot of issues.
     
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    A few more months in and I am still really happy with my P34W. I can't say I've had any issues like some of you here have experienced and I am happy about that. These days I mostly keep it on my desk on cooling pad to play BF4 which it runs well.

    It's plenty fast and I plan to swap in an upgrade 500GB SSD in place of the hard drive soon.
     
  28. Eason

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    I am wary of this since the last guy said it raised temps. Could you do us a favor and do some temp comparisons? I was googling it and found "the more resistance the more heat. Because SSD's use more voltage than HDD drives they actually produce more heat", which would explain the results of our friend here who swapped his HDD for an SSD. However, it also seems to depend on the quality of the SSD used. This comparison video is really quite interesting:


    edit: as an aside, I asked gigabyte for a new bottom cover to replace my old one, and they're mailing it to me. Cool! (one of the screw holes got stripped)
     
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    Interesting-- Just benchmarked my new QHD razer blade vs my p34. (this is with turbo off on both machines, both machines set to throttle to x20 at 88C.


    P34:
    P8581
    CPU max: 88C
    GPU max: 81C

    Razer Blade

    P8647
    CPU max: 76C
    GPU max: 62C
     
  30. Kommando

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    Thats a real hothead, ay?
     
  31. pau1ow

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    I think your RB15 has been repasted since you bought it from LVNeptune, and that plays a big role with the temps. I will run a 3dmark11 later, it's been a while I haven't benchmarked my p34wv3 and I just happened to have replaced all thermal pads with Fujipoly 11w/mk's and repasted with CLU.
     
  32. Eason

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    I've got IC7 coming soon so I'll repaste the p34 and see if it runs cooler
     
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    So its quite hot here in Dubai, and with a 24°C room ambient temps, this is what I got:
    P9617 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10102229
    Max temps: 95°C CPU / 81°C GPU
    Fan set on Auto-Low.

    Note that I'm using an unlocked vBIOS with 0 throttle and the CPU is running @ stock clocks with a -60mV undervolt.
     
  34. vinny3

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    Ouch that's a toasty cpu. I would love to see another bench with the fans set to auto high or turbo.
     
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    Also prop it up a couple inches off the ground.
     
  36. Eason

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    I've not actually allowed my p34 to use it's turbo yet lol, I wonder how it would bench. I figured what's the point in benchmarking it at a speed it can't actually sustain.
     
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    What do you mean you haven't "allowed" it?
     
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    With the advent of W10 nearly upon us, I like many others will install the "upgrade". I'm not enthralled about the prospect of a Reinstall though, so I hope Gigabyte will give us "clean install" options.

    What I mean is that I would have to restore 8.1 ---> upgrade to pro (I bought a license) and then upgrade to 10 again, should the need ever arise..
     
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    I've limited the clocks to x26, disabling turbo.
     
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    Yeah I did the same with my p34gv2. I get around 7-8 degrees less heat on full load and no noticeable difference in fps.
     
  41. Eason

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    Well, I can't repaste. The upper right screw seems like it's been epoxied in place-- nearly stripped the screw trying to get it to work, even tried pliers-- absolutely won't budge. Might experiment with using IC7 putty on the heat pipes by the fans.
     
  42. sirleeofroy

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    From what I can tell, if you upgrade to 10 over your 8.1 Pro you will then be able to do a clean install once ISO's are released and your Pro licence key will then be a Windows 10 Pro key.

    I upgraded my windows 8.1 install with the insider preview the day I bought my P34w and this morning it's no different, seems I've been running the final build for a couple of weeks already! What will be interesting is when I attempt to do a clean install (no recovery) as it's supposed to pick up OEM keys that are embedded into the hardware (but only once you have completed the upgrade).
     
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    Were you able to grip the head with pliers??

    There are other measures you can take, but they're a little extreme, e.g. using a metal file or a dremel to make an incision so you can use a flat heat (better grip and sometimes necessary if the screw is stripped).
     
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    Just drill the head off the screw and either leave that hole open or get a set of pliers on the shaft.
     
  45. Eason

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    Tried needle-nosed pliers; just didn't work. This is the upper-right screw of the heat-sink btw, not for the back cover. If I drilled off the head (without drilling into the mobo) then I'm afraid that the heat sink wouldn't have as good contact anymore.
     
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    WOOO I got it!
     
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    With turbo disabled, looping 3dmark11 results in CPU temps peaking at 90C and GPU at 83C. This is about 1 hour after repasting with IC7 so it may improve.

    On the blade, with x30 multipliers, I get CPU peaking at 85C and GPU at 83c.
     
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    I haven't ordered the SSD yet, but I can do some simple testing when I do end up getting it. I installed Windows 10 and it's running great, I just did an in-place upgrade for now but plan on doing a clean install in a couple of weeks.
     
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    Today, temps on the P34 are down to 83C gpu 87 CPU max (no turbo).

    The blade is just so nice looking (love the screen) that I just feel like a second class citizen using the p34 :D So... any ideas on what one can do when you own both a razer blade and a p34?
     
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    Give one to me? :p
     
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